Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.

Don't think anyone comes close to Yamal at 17 right now, to be honest

Agreed but that wasn't the question to be fair. Where does Quenda land on a scale of 1-10 if Yamal is a 10, and say Estevao is an 8. I'm trying to ascertain the type of talent we're talking about here.
 
Amad as RWB or a RWB signing for me, I dont want to see Dalot there next season. He's far too blunt.
 
Agreed on the first bit, and possibly true for the second. I think the likelihood is our financial situation meant we aren't in a position to compete for him now and Chelsea were able to exploit that.
Yeah, I'd reckon so - because surely if we could match them for money on offer, he would've been smart enough to wait to see how things look seasons end (we could be in the UCL and Chelsea not - as a punt etc. etc.).

Also a small tidbit in that article mentions that he will be used as a winger, versus under Amorim, he would probably have been used exclusively as a WB.
 
All clubs have outstanding fees to pay for players already at the club - inc. Chelsea.

I agree. I feel like the fact SJR dropped that in the interview about having to pay for the likes of Sancho, Hojlund etc was to try and give people realistic expectations for the summer. But like you say it's a bit false - every club pays in installments. Didn't we only finish paying off for Lukaku a couple years ago?
 
Yes.

We're also apparently in a position to build a £2b stadium and just last night on TV we had Berrada saying we'll prioritise our spending to improve the team.

So totally disregarding PSR (which impacts only transfer spending) and the fact the stadium costs are still to be raised and will likely come though new sponsorship deals and leveraged debt?
 
How would you rate his talent level? Where does he fall in the land of talented teenagers like Estevao and Yamal.

The bad: Poor in the air, poor at tackling, poor finisher.

The good: Good dribbler, good passer and good at set pieces.
 
They have an obligation to buy him.
There was a story that they can ignore that though, especially if they can't agree a contract with him.

It would mean paying a fairly large financial penalty though. If there's one club who would do that right now, then it's Chelsea
 
Let's be honest, the club probably are a bit surprised, but in football losing out on transfers is nowhere close to as dramatic as fans and media make out.

They will use the money elsewhere, get the next best option and move on quickly.
 
Dorgu can play RWB or LWB so we aren't restricted to only signing a RWB.

Kerkez or Frimpong would be ideal

If we can find the funds I would like both and have Dorgu as a rotational back up. I would prefer not to keep relying on 20 year olds and also stop relying on just one player per position, especially with the injuries we have and inconsistency to be expected from a young player.
 
There was a story that they can ignore that though, especially if they can't agree a contract with him.

It would mean paying a fairly large financial penalty though. If there's one club who would do that right now, then it's Chelsea
Only us could loan a player out to a club that has an obligation to buy and still manage to end up not being able to get rid :lol:
 
I laughed when I saw the news! Chelsea are comedy at this point.
I’m actually kind of glad, he would take at least another year to be ready for the PL, and he’s left footed. We would be better balanced with a right footed rwb.
 
Agreed but that wasn't the question to be fair. Where does Quenda land on a scale of 1-10 if Yamal is a 10, and say Estevao is an 8. I'm trying to ascertain the type of talent we're talking about here.
To be totally honest I'm not sure, as I mainly watched him play as a WB and haven't really since Amorim joined United, and he's played on the wing since then.

He looked made for the WB slot in my opinion. Very strong and quick, great engine for a teenager, but good on the ball as well. Is he silky enough to play primarily as a winger in tighter spaces? Will he add goals and assists to his game, which will be much more of a prerequisite in that position? Too early to say, for me.

I'm obviously a bit salty, but if you've signed him to to play on the wing then it seems like massive overkill right now, with the other talented players Chelsea have/are coming in soon. Feels more like it's part of the larger player trading/talent farm strategy that the current owners have really pumped impetus into.
 
I’m just thinking about the logjam in that area when Estevao and Paez arrive here, both also left footed mostly RW, though both can play 10, but we have already have an established left footed RW/10 already occupying that position, Palmer.
Yeah seems quite confusing for you guys. But I feel like you sign players for funsies sometimes.
:lol:
 
They can’t have signed him yet?

We could kidnap him and put him on the telly in a United shirt, grinning with pen in hand
 
Not to bothered about this. With Amad, Mazraoui, Dalot and perhaps even Dorgu, I'd say that RWB isn't our highest priority. With a likely limitied budget we must prioritze elswhere than £40m on a 17 yo that probably isn't ready for the PL (manifested by Chelsea letting him stay in Portugal for another season).
Correct choice by the club.
 
Always seemed an odd fit anyway, rather try one of our own kids.

We need more physicality, Quenda is tiny.
 
According to Record, Chelsea is paying 51 million Euros with no add-ons or objectives and Quenda will stay with us another year. It has also been confirmed by CNN Portugal, so it's almost certainly true. I don't think United could compete with this offer tbf. I think it's a good deal for Sporting and Chelsea. We get him another year, he will keep evolving and Chelsea will get a player who I believe will become a top player.

With the Quenda Chelsea deal, I don't think any Sporting player will join United. In my opinion, Quenda would be the Sporting player who would fit the best at United. There are Gyökeres rumors that he wants to join a club playing in the Champions League and that there wasn't real enthusiasm from him to join United which might signal that he probably has some kind of agreement with another club. I also can't see Diomande joining since he will be expensive and I don't see United spending big on a CB.
 
Would've liked him but looking for positives on his Chelsea move:
He's 'only' 5ft 8" which makes him the same height as Amad. Not an issue in itself but if we're actively trying to raise the physicality in the team then another specimen like Dorgu would be a better fit?

I trust Vivell will find an alternative.
 
Agreed but that wasn't the question to be fair. Where does Quenda land on a scale of 1-10 if Yamal is a 10, and say Estevao is an 8. I'm trying to ascertain the type of talent we're talking about here.
6 or 7 for me. He's really good
Not to bothered about this. With Amad, Mazraoui, Dalot and perhaps even Dorgu, I'd say that RWB isn't our highest priority. With a likely limitied budget we must prioritze elswhere than £40m on a 17 yo that probably isn't ready for the PL (manifested by Chelsea letting him stay in Portugal for another season).
Correct choice by the club.
"With our best attacker, two fullbacks that are crap as wingbacks, and our starting LWB, I'd say that RWB isn't our highest priority"
 
I think I remember reading that after Ratcliffe injected cash to pay some of it off we could use it again but the club don't want to.

Could be wrong though
If memory serves me right they paid some off (120m?) so that they could make some transfers last summer
 
What you’re thinking of is the ability to spread the costs of the transfer over the length of the contract. There didn’t used to be the rule that limited the number of years club could use to amortise costs until Chelsea started giving 7-8 year contracts to everyone. The new rule says you can only spread the costs of the transfer over the first 5 years. If you want to still give out 7 year contracts, that’s entirely up to the club, the rules does not stop you from doing that.
Ahh, thats it! Thank You!
 
"With our best attacker, two fullbacks that are crap as wingbacks, and our starting LWB, I'd say that RWB isn't our highest priority"
Yep absolutely. I mean, Amad has been best when played out wide as a RWB. The two fullbacks provides different types of backup options, and Dorgu could also cover the RWB if/when Shaw is fit (plus Leon who might be a LWB option next season).
RWB is not our highest priority imo.
 
From the highlights I saw, I had him down as a LWB/LW? which shows what I know.

But Dorgu/Heaven have shown you can find talented players for small~ish fees.

Plenty more fish in the sea.
 
Is that true?

Quenda's obviously incredibly exciting and all that but in my head Frimpong's basically the best specialist wingback out there, at least outside of the traditional European giants. And he's 24, so you buy him now and you get his entire career prime without the risk of getting through his teens and early 20s.

Are Madrid, Barca, City, 'Pool et al not in for him at that price?

I've only actually watched a handful of complete games from him, maybe I overrate him?
Yeah you’d expect clubs to be all over him, but for some reason he already stayed at Leverkusen for 4 years. Surprised me to be fair

I don’t think you overrate him at all.
5 assists in 10 CL matches this year.
The only reason he’s not a starter for Holland is because of the system - we play with 4 in the back. And for the RB position we have Denzel Dumfries
 
Damn shame to get Chelsea'd again, hope it doesn't mean Sancho is coming back...

Now onto Frimpong then, much more helpful to us in the now than another prospect
 
Didn't want him anyway. Jokes aside, if we're as skint as they say we are, it's not a priority position with Léon incoming, who I've heard is comfortable on either wing.

We need to throw the kitchen sink at a senior forward, then probably add some midfield depth. Everything else is a bonus.
 
How would you rate his talent level? Where does he fall in the land of talented teenagers like Estevao and Yamal.
No one is close to Yamal in fairness; Estevao is probably closest but has to prove it in Europe of course.

Quenda has been used far deeper and not as a pure forward to the same level, so a tricky comparison. That said, he's rated extremely highly here and Sporting have a tremendous track record of developing excellent players - Quenda feels very much in the vein of Nuno Mendes, for instance.
 
Those aren’t the players we need right now.

Ok, any alternatives in mind? I am guessing that the wing backs will be more attacking next season (ostensibly wingers). Our own Kamason and Mantato look interesting but probably a way off it. Frimpong will be expensive now the clause has gone. Vanderson possible. Wesley, Martim Fernandes and Dario Osorio might be outside shouts. Realistically, we sign someone experienced (23+), they'll cost a lot. I think we'll be looking for cheap gems.