Agreed but that wasn't the question to be fair. Where does Quenda land on a scale of 1-10 if Yamal is a 10, and say Estevao is an 8. I'm trying to ascertain the type of talent we're talking about here.
Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.
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Agreed but that wasn't the question to be fair. Where does Quenda land on a scale of 1-10 if Yamal is a 10, and say Estevao is an 8. I'm trying to ascertain the type of talent we're talking about here.
Amad as RWB or a RWB signing for me, I dont want to see Dalot there next season. He's far too blunt.
Yeah, I'd reckon so - because surely if we could match them for money on offer, he would've been smart enough to wait to see how things look seasons end (we could be in the UCL and Chelsea not - as a punt etc. etc.).
Also a small tidbit in that article mentions that he will be used as a winger, versus under Amorim, he would probably have been used exclusively as a WB.
I agree. I feel like the fact SJR dropped that in the interview about having to pay for the likes of Sancho, Hojlund etc was to try and give people realistic expectations for the summer. But like you say it's a bit false - every club pays in installments. Didn't we only finish paying off for Lukaku a couple years ago?
They're Trump like property magnates
So totally disregarding PSR (which impacts only transfer spending) and the fact the stadium costs are still to be raised and will likely come though new sponsorship deals and leveraged debt?
Not like you to be hyperbolic.
Because stupid clubs buy players like Mount off them for insane fees
The bad: Poor in the air, poor at tackling, poor finisher.
The good: Good dribbler, good passer and good at set pieces.
There was a story that they can ignore that though, especially if they can't agree a contract with him.
It would mean paying a fairly large financial penalty though. If there's one club who would do that right now, then it's Chelsea
Let's be honest, the club probably are a bit surprised, but in football losing out on transfers is nowhere close to as dramatic as fans and media make out.
They will use the money elsewhere, get the next best option and move on quickly.
They will use the money elsewhere, get the next best option and move on quickly.
If we can find the funds I would like both and have Dorgu as a rotational back up. I would prefer not to keep relying on 20 year olds and also stop relying on just one player per position, especially with the injuries we have and inconsistency to be expected from a young player.
Only us could loan a player out to a club that has an obligation to buy and still manage to end up not being able to get rid
Get a grip
I laughed when I saw the news! Chelsea are comedy at this point.
I’m actually kind of glad, he would take at least another year to be ready for the PL, and he’s left footed. We would be better balanced with a right footed rwb.
I’m actually kind of glad, he would take at least another year to be ready for the PL, and he’s left footed. We would be better balanced with a right footed rwb.
To be totally honest I'm not sure, as I mainly watched him play as a WB and haven't really since Amorim joined United, and he's played on the wing since then.
He looked made for the WB slot in my opinion. Very strong and quick, great engine for a teenager, but good on the ball as well. Is he silky enough to play primarily as a winger in tighter spaces? Will he add goals and assists to his game, which will be much more of a prerequisite in that position? Too early to say, for me.
I'm obviously a bit salty, but if you've signed him to to play on the wing then it seems like massive overkill right now, with the other talented players Chelsea have/are coming in soon. Feels more like it's part of the larger player trading/talent farm strategy that the current owners have really pumped impetus into.
Yeah seems quite confusing for you guys. But I feel like you sign players for funsies sometimes.
Getting called up for England might put paid to that.
Meh not the end of the world. He looks good but certainly no generational talent.
They can’t have signed him yet?
We could kidnap him and put him on the telly in a United shirt, grinning with pen in hand
We could kidnap him and put him on the telly in a United shirt, grinning with pen in hand
Not to bothered about this. With Amad, Mazraoui, Dalot and perhaps even Dorgu, I'd say that RWB isn't our highest priority. With a likely limitied budget we must prioritze elswhere than £40m on a 17 yo that probably isn't ready for the PL (manifested by Chelsea letting him stay in Portugal for another season).
Correct choice by the club.
Correct choice by the club.
Ahh, thanks
Always seemed an odd fit anyway, rather try one of our own kids.
We need more physicality, Quenda is tiny.
We need more physicality, Quenda is tiny.
The latest is that Chelsea can pay a penalty fee to not buy him.
According to Record, Chelsea is paying 51 million Euros with no add-ons or objectives and Quenda will stay with us another year. It has also been confirmed by CNN Portugal, so it's almost certainly true. I don't think United could compete with this offer tbf. I think it's a good deal for Sporting and Chelsea. We get him another year, he will keep evolving and Chelsea will get a player who I believe will become a top player.
With the Quenda Chelsea deal, I don't think any Sporting player will join United. In my opinion, Quenda would be the Sporting player who would fit the best at United. There are Gyökeres rumors that he wants to join a club playing in the Champions League and that there wasn't real enthusiasm from him to join United which might signal that he probably has some kind of agreement with another club. I also can't see Diomande joining since he will be expensive and I don't see United spending big on a CB.
With the Quenda Chelsea deal, I don't think any Sporting player will join United. In my opinion, Quenda would be the Sporting player who would fit the best at United. There are Gyökeres rumors that he wants to join a club playing in the Champions League and that there wasn't real enthusiasm from him to join United which might signal that he probably has some kind of agreement with another club. I also can't see Diomande joining since he will be expensive and I don't see United spending big on a CB.
Would've liked him but looking for positives on his Chelsea move:
He's 'only' 5ft 8" which makes him the same height as Amad. Not an issue in itself but if we're actively trying to raise the physicality in the team then another specimen like Dorgu would be a better fit?
I trust Vivell will find an alternative.
He's 'only' 5ft 8" which makes him the same height as Amad. Not an issue in itself but if we're actively trying to raise the physicality in the team then another specimen like Dorgu would be a better fit?
I trust Vivell will find an alternative.
6 or 7 for me. He's really good
"With our best attacker, two fullbacks that are crap as wingbacks, and our starting LWB, I'd say that RWB isn't our highest priority"
Really? That’s a steal. Yeah he’d be a good option for us for sure
If memory serves me right they paid some off (120m?) so that they could make some transfers last summer
Ahh, thats it! Thank You!
Yep absolutely. I mean, Amad has been best when played out wide as a RWB. The two fullbacks provides different types of backup options, and Dorgu could also cover the RWB if/when Shaw is fit (plus Leon who might be a LWB option next season).
RWB is not our highest priority imo.
From the highlights I saw, I had him down as a LWB/LW? which shows what I know.
But Dorgu/Heaven have shown you can find talented players for small~ish fees.
Plenty more fish in the sea.
But Dorgu/Heaven have shown you can find talented players for small~ish fees.
Plenty more fish in the sea.
Yeah you’d expect clubs to be all over him, but for some reason he already stayed at Leverkusen for 4 years. Surprised me to be fair
I don’t think you overrate him at all.
5 assists in 10 CL matches this year.
The only reason he’s not a starter for Holland is because of the system - we play with 4 in the back. And for the RB position we have Denzel Dumfries
RIP to the fans already invested in Quenda videos
Better have a backup target in mind
Damn shame to get Chelsea'd again, hope it doesn't mean Sancho is coming back...
Now onto Frimpong then, much more helpful to us in the now than another prospect
Now onto Frimpong then, much more helpful to us in the now than another prospect
Didn't want him anyway. Jokes aside, if we're as skint as they say we are, it's not a priority position with Léon incoming, who I've heard is comfortable on either wing.
We need to throw the kitchen sink at a senior forward, then probably add some midfield depth. Everything else is a bonus.
We need to throw the kitchen sink at a senior forward, then probably add some midfield depth. Everything else is a bonus.
No one is close to Yamal in fairness; Estevao is probably closest but has to prove it in Europe of course.
Quenda has been used far deeper and not as a pure forward to the same level, so a tricky comparison. That said, he's rated extremely highly here and Sporting have a tremendous track record of developing excellent players - Quenda feels very much in the vein of Nuno Mendes, for instance.
Ok, any alternatives in mind? I am guessing that the wing backs will be more attacking next season (ostensibly wingers). Our own Kamason and Mantato look interesting but probably a way off it. Frimpong will be expensive now the clause has gone. Vanderson possible. Wesley, Martim Fernandes and Dario Osorio might be outside shouts. Realistically, we sign someone experienced (23+), they'll cost a lot. I think we'll be looking for cheap gems.