I think he has a higher floor than Estevao given the volatility of South American prospects. He's definitely further away as a pure attacker though. It's arbitrary but maybe 7.5?
Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.
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Has there been another deal in football where one club paid over 50m for a player and then left the player at the selling club for the best part of 15 months.
He'll just play as their left winger so Sancho will be joining Sterling in the old folks home in Stamford Bridge. Quenda - Palmer - Estevao behind Jackson looks like a very exciting attacking trio behind Jackson or whomever they sign.
Play Diallo RWB and get Cherki for the #10
We will be a team that creates chances so get a forward to finish them
We will be a team that creates chances so get a forward to finish them
I would buy Ait Nouri (who has better numbers than Quenda albeit 6 years older). And play Dorgu on right.
Quenda hasn’t demonstrated the goal scoring for a winger though. He has 2 goals in 43 games. It may still come but it’s a risk.
Same with Madueke, Mudryk and Neto I imagine.
You would either have to be an established world class player or stupid to join Chelsea.
Knew when I saw this news there was going to be a moan fest about him and I wasn't wrong, didn't take long for the positivity of last night to wear off.
Looks a bit low for me. If Yamal is a 10, I'd imagine Estevao is a 9 and would say Quenda is just below that level so maybe an 8. He looks really good. It wasn't the perfect transfer though given his age profile, his left footedness, physicality and amount of funds needed to secure him so hopefully we can direct those funds towards positions where there's less substitutability. Half hoping Cherki puts in a good performance against us to convince the scouting team to spend the 22 mn Lyon are looking for. That would allow us bring Amad back to WB and fill the 10 role cheaply hopefully allowing us a bit of budget for a striker (Ekitike please) and midfielder.
Good shout. Shouldn't be too expensive either as his deal is up in 2026 but the club have a 1 year option. They won't want him to go into the last year of his contract.
If he was a target for the club, then its a shame we couldn't get him. I want our team building to go as smoothly as possible. But from a strictly personal point of view, I can't wasn't particularly enthused with him as a player so I can't really feel too disappointed about it.
Mudryk's surely going to be banned and has been a complete flop, fans hate Madueke even though he'd be one of our top attackers. Neto was a weird one. Not many big clubs would have taken the chance on him because of his injuries. Agree with you in general though. Although as a broke kid, an eight to ten year deal at 100k pw might be very difficult to turn down when football can be so uncertain.
Ah you feckers 
Can't say I'm not annoyed.
Anyway, I struggled to see the squad building vision if we signed Quenda. I think 3-4-3 with Dorgu (LWB) -- Bruno (CM) -- Ugarte (CM) -- Quenda (RWB) would be too attacking / lightweight. We need a RWB of the Dalot mould to balance things a bit on defence.
Quenda will probably be better than Dorgu and maybe even Amad eventually but it's all about building a squad of complementary players. Not signing good players just for the sake of it.
Can't say I'm not annoyed.
Anyway, I struggled to see the squad building vision if we signed Quenda. I think 3-4-3 with Dorgu (LWB) -- Bruno (CM) -- Ugarte (CM) -- Quenda (RWB) would be too attacking / lightweight. We need a RWB of the Dalot mould to balance things a bit on defence.
Quenda will probably be better than Dorgu and maybe even Amad eventually but it's all about building a squad of complementary players. Not signing good players just for the sake of it.
Love how when we miss out on a target people rave about....he is suddenly not so good and stattos come out. He is a massive talent and stats for 17year olds are meaningless. Gutted we have missed out, wa my dream summer signing. Also think a bad move from him, seen several youngters ruining a period of career moving to CHelsea and he could become another.
I can't remember one tbf. I don't remember the specific details of the Endrick from Palmeiras to Real Madrid or the Estêvão from Palmeiras to Chelsea deals though.
Chelsea will also get Dario Essugo from Sporting. He's a DM, CM who's playing on loan in La Liga club Las Palmas and who has been impressive. We will get 25 to 30 million Euros for him. This is the deal I don't like. I think he has potencial to become a very good player for us in the future and after impressing in La Liga and attracting interest from clubs like Barcelona, we should have kept him longer and used him. Specially when we are probably losing two midfield players next year who are internationals, Morita from Japan and Hjulmand from Denmark. It's a hasty, unnecessary deal from our board. I also don't understand why Chelsea wants him, having Enzo, Caicedo and Lavia.
Shaw won't play LWB. If he's ever fit, he'll play LCB.
I've barely watched him play, but it looks like he's been a left winger since Amorim left Sporting (and, according to Romano, that's the position Chelsea are buying him for - I doubt he'd be much good as a fullback in a back 4) - it's quite possible he sees himself as a winger long-term (rather than a wingback) and that swung things with him and Chelsea, while Chelsea were happy to leave him at Sporting until summer 2026, while United would have needed him to join this summer. In short, Chelsea were offering things to the player and to Sporting that United were never going to want to offer, so this was never really a goer.
Personally, I'd rather United looked for someone with a bit more physicality at RWB - Quenda looks quite capable in 1v1s, which is also something we need, but he's a 5ft7" skinny 17-year-old who is not going to do much to bring up the floor of this United squad's physicality, which is badly needed this summer. Another Dorgu for the right (perhaps with slightly more mature technical traits), please.
Personally, I'd rather United looked for someone with a bit more physicality at RWB - Quenda looks quite capable in 1v1s, which is also something we need, but he's a 5ft7" skinny 17-year-old who is not going to do much to bring up the floor of this United squad's physicality, which is badly needed this summer. Another Dorgu for the right (perhaps with slightly more mature technical traits), please.
Some of you have way too much time on your hands.
Haven’t followed Essugo but sounds like a shame to move him to Chelsea where he may get lost in the multitude of players they are accumulating.
Fine with this. Honestly thought spending big for RWB made little sense for us, because Amad has consistently looked his best when playing there.
We probably want some RWB depth but it's not absolutely urgent because Dalot can do a job there.
Think we need two roles filled urgently this summer: #9 and #10
We probably want some RWB depth but it's not absolutely urgent because Dalot can do a job there.
Think we need two roles filled urgently this summer: #9 and #10
Added to that he now has a 7 year guaranteed contract in case things go south with his fitness. The lure of "the manager that was there when you break through" is probably overstated, possibly because we bought so many ETH players who were gettable because of their specific situations. Players will ultimately want to look out for their own careers, and if he prefers a role olas a left forward/winger (which may also benefit him financially as I would imagine they go for higher fees than WBs, and get higher wages), then fair play to him.
In that case we need to be all over that release clause!
I still struggle to understand how the Chelsea financials work out in detail
I'm guessing this transfer won't need to be reported financially until he actually joins.
It's risky but the pay-off is potentially very high. If he has another season like this one next year they'll have got an absolute bargain.
And a number 6 too I would say
All I know is that every time I visited this thread over the past couple months, I came away thinking he's not fancied. This thread was not a positive one.
Given that's the extent of what I know about him, I don't mind that we missed out.
Given that's the extent of what I know about him, I don't mind that we missed out.
I'm not sure there is anything to understand, they're approach is to sign as many talented young players as possible and hope at least some of them come good. They'll worry about the rest later.
It's risky, as there's nothing to say that they get a return on all those players. You rarely see teams outside the EPL sign EPL players for more than £20m+. Most clubs are moving more towards data driven, 'moneyball' style transfer strategies. This is more akin to how I approach career mode on FIFA
Chelsea have to buy Sancho, it is a mandatory purchase...20 million if I remember correctly
Villa have an optional purchase for Rashford...40 million I think...
UTD Fans have mastered copium. You can loose a target to another club but this coupled with out financial situations hints at a disappointing summer. We don't have the funds to match other top teams if we go after the same target. This becomes a 100 x times worse if we don't win Europa. If we don't win Europa league UTD are going to have no choice but to sell the likes of Garnacho to fund transfers in.
We are getting more details from the Quenda deal. It's 51 million plus 23 million of add-ons and objectives. Some are achievable so the value can be higher. Dario Essugo to Chelsea is 22 millions which is criminal considering the reporter said Real Madrid did an approach but didn't want him for next year but for the 2026 season.
According to the reporter, United was indeed interested in Quenda and did the first offer for the player, but didn't offer more than 40 millions so Sporting accepted the Chelsea offer.
Yeah but we missed out on him so now he's good and the club are clowns.
I'm gonna put my neck on the line and say that Liverpool bin Nunez off in the Summer and sign Gyökeres instead and he will be a huge goal scoring replacement when Salah goes
Exactly my idea as well and that's why I've always been high on Quenda. Congrats, I think Chelsea got a very good player. One of my favorites coming from our academy. You also got the added bonus you got Essugo for a reasonable price considering he has been one of the best young midfielders in La Liga this year.
Most of the rumors here are again Chelsea, Arsenal and also Bayern. I don't think we ever did a deal with Liverpool. My memory might be betraying me though.
Fans turned against Woodward mid term at the club. The glazers hired a DOF who spent his entire tenure 'hiring' data analysts that seem to have vanished the moment Ineos bought a stake in the club. fast forward time, we fired murtough and hired a sporting director who survived how much? 5 months?
The last time fans protested furiously we had the Glazers talking with fans for the first time which included talks about the stadium (which ended to be nothing but a mix of unkept promises and a lick of paint to OT)
There was unrest in January when we basically sent most of the forward line on loan. Talks of quenda emerged soon after
The fans protested again recently. We got two interviews from their errand boy + plans of some new stadium which will depend on taxpayers help
That's sarcasm isn't it?
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My main thing was he is 17 years old and we keep hearing that we are broke, so probably not the best idea to spend 50m+ on a 17 year old kind of wing back.
Don't care who we miss out on if properly address CF this summer. That alone is priority 1, 2 and 3. We can honestly figure it out with what we have in just about every other position if we buy Osimhen up top
Endrick?
So is it 51+ a potential 23?
When a player has a release clause below their market value, it doesn't necessarily mean they'll be cheaper for the buying club. Usually, they can use the lower fee as leverage to give them higher wages + signing bonus, as then their "total cost" will still be around their market value. That's exactly what happened with Zirkzee (he had "only a £35M-ish release clause, so we gave him like an £8M signing bonus in addition to his contract).
People focus a lot on the low release clauses and "free" agents. While it's true those players are more likely to move, as they have more freedom to break from their current club, they often aren't any cheaper than a player bought for a market rate fee.