I guess redcafe can switch to being annoyed about not getting him instead of being annoyed we're getting him now
Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.
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Brailsford 1% rule is taking an effect now. Be 1% less stupid every time there's a chance for us to sign a player under conditions that allow other clubs to dictate our terms.
I wanted him. But under these terms? that he won't even play after we splashed the cash we could use to sign other positions we desperately need, while we're skint? no chance.
I wanted him. But under these terms? that he won't even play after we splashed the cash we could use to sign other positions we desperately need, while we're skint? no chance.
Ah feck off. He was one I was genuinely excited at the prospect of us signing.
Indeed. He looks the special talent we need on the right. How often do you get such talented players who can play wing back? Meh, we’ll have to be content with signing solid but unspectacular ones I suppose.
I think that having a right footed RWB makes more sense when your right-sided 10 is left-footed which is where Amad is most likely to be playing, IMO having 2 left footers on the right or 2 rightfooters on the left just makes you too narrow
Are we ready for another Dutchie?
Chelsea are crazy,they've so many wingers,on long deals and they've two or three young lads bought in south America who haven't even arrived yet and now this lad. Surely they will hit trouble financially at some stage. Can't see clubs jumping to sign the likes of the Ukrainian lad. And I'd be shocked if the manager who talked to him is actually still the manager in 12months. O well.
Seemed a huge risk to pay that for such a young, unproven players. We're not in that financial position right now.
Well the INEOS-Dutchies Zirkzee & MdL have been better than the Dutchies under Murtough / ETH (Malacia, Weghorst, VdB), so there's hope
You could see in the last games that we don't need a right-footed RWB for this system to work, just an upgrade on Dalot (who even did quite well compared to his ususal performances). If the wing backs stay higher up and help the attack and press (best example Dorgu vs Sociedad), it feels more like Amorim's system compared to when he used a five at the back with Dalot (often as LWB), Malacia and Mazraoui. Imagine a constant runner like Frimpong on the right flank and Amad or Garnacho occupying the right penalty area. It makes totally sense. No need to use a left-footed RWB at all cost.
Why do we always seem to succeed when paying stupid money for utterly bang average players like Antony, Harry Maguire, Rasmus Højlund, and Mason Mount?
And then always seem to fail when paying less money for the absolute elite talents such as Quenda, Bellingham, and Haaland?
It's like we are run by absolute morons.
I still can't believe we actually got Yoro over the line
And then always seem to fail when paying less money for the absolute elite talents such as Quenda, Bellingham, and Haaland?
It's like we are run by absolute morons.
I still can't believe we actually got Yoro over the line
Because simply no one else was in for them at those absurd valuations and our gullible recruitment team fell for the bluff again and again.
I can sense we are smarter now and surely no matter how good quenda might be, we can't be sitting and waiting for another year or give him an absurd contract
Before Chelsea signed him, I already changed my mind that we should sign LWB (because we don’t have 2nd LWB with similar profile as Dorgu) and use Dalot and Mazraoui as inverted RWB instead, while playing Amad or Garnacho as wide forward on the right to provide threat on the right flank. I’m not gutted at all that we miss this one.
I like that. Describes it well.
“We must have the best recruitment in the world. Data analysis comes alongside recruitment. It doesn’t really exist here. We’re still in the last century on data analysis here." - SJR
That's what Murtough during his tenure at United.
Yeah he seem to go the extra mile for mediocracy and give up easily for the top talents
This. Although I would have liked him here I am not too sure that spending £35m - £40m on him is the best use of limited resources. Wilcox, Vivendi and Amorim need to scout another Heavensque signing for depth on the right side, if we get a buyer for Dalot then maybe go for Frimpong, he will transform that right side.
In my opinion Quenda should have been bought if we fount a buyer for Dalot. Quite frankly I'd sell Dalot as he's not suited for the RWB
Meh it seems like the best deal for him really, stay a bit longer at Sporting prepare yourself to move getting to play in your preferred position and not as a RB/RWB certainly seems like the better offer.
He is talented and I’m all for signing talented youth but he seemed a bit of a gamble for where we are at right now. Obvioulsy now the best option out there for us is Frimpong but I imagine if he is going to go anywhere this summer he’ll want to go to a champions league club and want paid handsomely for his services.
So back to the drawing board.
He is talented and I’m all for signing talented youth but he seemed a bit of a gamble for where we are at right now. Obvioulsy now the best option out there for us is Frimpong but I imagine if he is going to go anywhere this summer he’ll want to go to a champions league club and want paid handsomely for his services.
So back to the drawing board.
I’m not saying a left footed RWB has to be used for the system to work, just that a left footed RWB can and has worked in that system just as well. And I said that specifically in response to someone saying we should only play a right footer there. Sure, that’s an option, but the evidence suggests that doesn’t have to be the case for the system to work incredibly well.
Agreed that bringing in a more attacking runner on the right is going to help the system more than using players like Dalot, Maz or Malacia, but again, that comes down to their other attributes, not which foot they prefer.
Dalot shouldn’t be starting, and Mazraoui should be primarily playing at RCB. I don’t know how anyone could watch the difference Dorgu has made on the left and conclude that we should settle for Dalot or Maz on the right.
It's also absolutely true.
Nuance is a word used far too much here. It's football. It's not that complicated.
Look at the difference having a left footed player at LWB has made already.
We don't want our RWB and right sided 10(Amad) both coming inside. That's not nuance. It's being silly.
It's insanity, you question whether these people actually watch football. Dalot is not a good wb neither is Maz, keep maz for rcb in a 3 and can provide depth. Sell Dalot or keep for squad depth however neither should be anywhere near our starting rwb if we want to progress. I'd happily have amad as rwb then sign a 10 like cherki from Lyon for his 22m release clause. Risk I know but the kind of risk we need to take
I thought this was a done deal to us to be honest 
He’s incredibly shit anyway.
He’s incredibly shit anyway.
why not keep Amad and sign a good RWB instead? Amad has been our most dangerous attacker besides Bruno if he counts. He should be planned as our right no.10.
I thought this was a done deal to us to be honest
He’s incredibly shit anyway.
I mean he obviously isn’t.
Seems he has greater ambitions than to he a wing back. Can’t blame him, he looks super talented.
I mean obviously wooshed.
Chelsea aiming to field a team of 11 wingers?
Is Chelseas plan to just sign all the wingers. Looks like they might pay the fine and we are stuck with Sancho. I don’t know much about the player. Sure he is a talented player. But we need goalscorers and a new Keeper as priorities this summer
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I don’t for the life of me understand the Essugo deal. Why would he move to Chelsea considering their army of midfielders, plus they even have Reece James as an option there. I was quite high on Essugo and wanted us to have a look at him as a Ugarte backup, he will get lost at Chelsea and if he waited, he would’ve had more offers on the table. Barca, Madrid and others have all been looking at him given his performances this season. This also seems like an undersell from Sporting’s side, you guys surely could’ve got more for him.
Various sources have the same story today...
It seems that Quenda was targeted by United in January but he chose Chelsea instead, after they said he will play as a winger, rather than as a RWB, which is how United would have used him.
For me, that settles it as you do not want players who are not going to fit and despite the fact that it was Ruben Amorim who gave him his debut at such a tender age and brought him along in the Sporting team, he has decided to hitch his wagon to the Chelsea money train.
Fine...f**k him
Now, go for Frimpong. Despite the interest from Spain, United is still United. Show him that shiny new stadium...tell him its nearly finished...heck just say whatever it takes
It seems that Quenda was targeted by United in January but he chose Chelsea instead, after they said he will play as a winger, rather than as a RWB, which is how United would have used him.
For me, that settles it as you do not want players who are not going to fit and despite the fact that it was Ruben Amorim who gave him his debut at such a tender age and brought him along in the Sporting team, he has decided to hitch his wagon to the Chelsea money train.
Fine...f**k him
Now, go for Frimpong. Despite the interest from Spain, United is still United. Show him that shiny new stadium...tell him its nearly finished...heck just say whatever it takes
Yes he has but his best performances in the main this season have been at rwb. You would keep his attacking output plus adding a quality 10. Otherwise which rwb would you bring in that you feel would be a better option?
I agree, having a player with the profile of Diomande would set us up really well. Him, Yoro, Heaven would increase the athleticism and speed in our back line. I really like Dean Huijsen as well. If we don’t go for either of them because they are expensive, I can see the club going for Branthwaite again. Given how two footed he is, he could easily play any one of the three CB roles. The only slight misgiving with him, is if he has the passing ability to play the wide CB roles, given they play an important part in progressing the play under Amorim’s system.
Exactly.
But I am curious. How is it that Chelsea can spend silly money — crazy money — and we can’t?
They're offering more money, it's a longer contract and it's London.
Manchester United have ended their relationship with Jorge Mendes following Quenda’s move to Chelsea, as they weren’t informed by the agent. Ineos, driving this decision, will cut ties with any football agents who disrespect or exploit Manchester United.
Paying Frimpong's £33m release clause and getting the best RWB around is arguably better than buying any good number 10 for twice the fee.
I saw that tweet. I get the feeling that the account isn't all that reliable.
Is there a link for this?
Because they can find clubs stupid enough to buy their crocked players for silly fees. Where as all United can do is pay silly fees for crocked players from our rivals.