Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.

[JE-365]

I understand what you’re saying, I just don’t think it makes sense, and I don’t think think it’s what Amorim is ultimately aiming for with his system.

I don’t think playing Dalot or Mazraoui as an inverted RWB is how we get the best out of Amorim’s system, because both players are too limited in attack. I could see it maybe being an ok option when setting up more defensively against the very top teams, but I think in most games we’d get far more value having a more attacking RWB with pace and physicality with Amad (or Garnacho/a new right 10) alongside them.

Sure, in an ideal world I would like a second LWB of the same ilk as back up, but Dorgu making such a difference on the left doesn’t for a second make me think we need a back up for him over getting a player with a similar profile for the right. I honestly don’t know how anyone can watch us play and look at a player like Dalot and think yep, don’t need an upgrade there, that side’s sorted. We need to prioritise starters and for me that’s a new RWB and it’s a bonus of they’re versatile to also play LWB which gives us the option of them playing left and Amad playing right if Dorgu is out.

Playing inverted right wingback doesn’t even change Amorim’s structure, system and philosophy. In Sporting, he played his right sided no 10 to stay inside while his right wingback to stay wide. All he does now is to flip them around by having the right side no 10 to move wide while his right wingback to move inside. Therefore, same structure, doesn’t change his philosophy and system to play possession and attacking, doesn’t change his defensive structure, and his build up play.

The fact Amorim has been playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted right wingback while Garnacho to provide the width on the right side recently means he’s already applied the change. This is what top manager should do, find a way to adapt to the squad and the league but still maintain the same philosophy and system. For example: In Barcelona, Pep played attacking full back to provide width. Now he played inverted full back. This change doesn’t change his philosophy and his style of play.

If Amorim is persistent that he wants his wingback to be the ones to provide width while his R10 to stay inside not wide then he will need to sell Dalot, Garnacho, and Amad and sign 2 R10, 2 RWB, and 1 LWB. Good luck, because that’s another 5 players required before striker, midfielder, attacking midfielder, and centre back.

And also Ornstein mentioned that RWB may not be the priority and based on the way how Amorim sets up by playing Garnacho on the right and inverted right wingback, I this is likely to be the solution. IMO, this is the perfect scenario because Garnacho and Amad likes to drift wide, therefore you want the right wingback as inverted so they don’t clash. LWB should be above the RWB IMO because other than Dorgu, we don’t have LWB in the similar profile as Dorgu.

 

[Zumbi]

Playing inverted right wingback doesn’t even change Amorim’s structure, system and philosophy. In Sporting, he played his right sided no 10 to stay inside while his right wingback to stay wide. All he does now is to flip them around by having the right side no 10 to move wide while his right wingback to move inside. Therefore, same structure, doesn’t change his philosophy and system to play possession and attacking, doesn’t change his defensive structure, and his build up play.

The fact Amorim has been playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted right wingback while Garnacho to provide the width on the right side recently means he’s already applied the change. This is what top manager should do, find a way to adapt to the squad and the league but still maintain the same philosophy and system. For example: In Barcelona, Pep played attacking full back to provide width. Now he played inverted full back. This change doesn’t change his philosophy and his style of play.

If Amorim is persistent that he wants his wingback to be the ones to provide width while his R10 to stay inside not wide then he will need to sell Dalot, Garnacho, and Amad and sign 2 R10, 2 RWB, and 1 LWB. Good luck, because that’s another 5 players required before striker, midfielder, attacking midfielder, and centre back.

And also Ornstein mentioned that RWB may not be the priority and based on the way how Amorim sets up by playing Garnacho on the right and inverted right wingback, I this is likely to be the solution. IMO, this is the perfect scenario because Garnacho and Amad likes to drift wide, therefore you want the right wingback as inverted so they don’t clash. LWB should be above the RWB IMO because other than Dorgu, we don’t have LWB in the similar profile as Dorgu.

We seem to be talking at cross purposes. This didn’t start as a discussion of what Amorim is doing right now to make the most of the squad as it is. I have no argument over the fact that Amorim is using inverted RWBs right now. But so what? This started as a discussion about which positions we should strengthen over the summer and how that would affect how we set up in the future.

And none of what you said addressed my main points - that Mazraoui and Dalot are too limited in attack, and that it’s likely Amorim will focus on pace and physicality when reinforcing the squad. On both counts it makes sense to bring in a RWB. And bringing in a RWB doesn’t mean you suddenly have to sell Dalot, Garnacho and Amad and bring in 2 R10, 2 RWB and 1 LWB. I have no idea where you pulled that nonsense from. If Amorim does bring in a WB, I suspect it will be a RWB who is versatile enough to play both sides. He has, after all, been explicit in saying that’s something that interests him in the wide positions. Doing so would leave him with options on both the left and the right without any other supporting transfers. You can start with the new WB on the right with Amad tucked in at 10. Then depending on the opposition you also have Dalot/Mazraoui as squad options with Garnacho.

It doesn’t make any sense at all to be arguing for Amorim’s tactical adaptability one minute, and then the next minute claim that he has to change half the team just because he brings in one RWB. I thought he could adapt the system depending on the players he has available? Make your mind up - you can’t have it both ways.

The fundamental disagreement we seem to have here is Maz and Dalot’s value at RWB. I see Mazraoui as a much better option for RCB cover, and I’d have no issue with Dalot being a minor squad player or being replaced because he just isn’t very good. If you think really think them being starters for us at RWB after a summer transfer window is the “perfect scenario”, I have to question whether you’ve actually been watching us play. Surely we can aim higher than that.

The bottom line for me is that we are nowhere near good enough in attack, contributions from wide players are key to the attack in Amorim’s system, and we’re due to lose Sancho, Rashford and Anthony. On that basis I’d be very surprised if we didn’t look to bring in another attacking player who can play RWB.

I’d also take new press reports that we’re not actually looking for a RWB with a very large pinch of salt. It wouldn’t be unusual after missing out on a high profile signing for a club to leak some PR spin around it, whilst quietly identifying alternatives.

 

[JE-365]

We seem to be talking at cross purposes. This didn’t start as a discussion of what Amorim is doing right now to make the most of the squad as it is. I have no argument over the fact that Amorim is using inverted RWBs right now. But so what? This started as a discussion about which positions we should strengthen over the summer and how that would affect how we set up in the future.

And none of what you said addressed my main points - that Mazraoui and Dalot are too limited in attack, and that it’s likely Amorim will focus on pace and physicality when reinforcing the squad. On both counts it makes sense to bring in a RWB. And bringing in a RWB doesn’t mean you suddenly have to sell Dalot, Garnacho and Amad and bring in 2 R10, 2 RWB and 1 LWB. I have no idea where you pulled that nonsense from. If Amorim does bring in a WB, I suspect it will be a RWB who is versatile enough to play both sides. He has, after all, been explicit in saying that’s something that interests him in the wide positions. Doing so would leave him with options on both the left and the right without any other supporting transfers. You can start with the new WB on the right with Amad tucked in at 10. Then depending on the opposition you also have Dalot/Mazraoui as squad options with Garnacho.

It doesn’t make any sense at all to be arguing for Amorim’s tactical adaptability one minute, and then the next minute claim that he has to change half the team just because he brings in one WB. I thought he could adapt the system depending on the players he has available? Make your mind up - you can’t have it both ways.

The fundamental disagreement we seem to have here is Maz and Dalot’s value at RWB. I see Mazraoui as a much better option for RCB cover, and I’d have no issue with Dalot being a minor squad player or being replaced because he just isn’t very good. If you think really think them being starters for us at RWB after a summer transfer window is the “perfect scenario”, I have to question whether you’ve actually been watching us play. Surely we can aim higher than that.

The bottom line for me is that we are nowhere near good enough in attack, contributions from wide players are key to the attack in Amorim’s system, and we’re due to lose Sancho, Rashford and Anthony. On that basis I’d be very surprised if we didn’t look to bring in another attacking player who can play RWB.

I’d also take new press reports that we’re not actually looking for a RWB with a very large pinch of salt. It wouldn’t be unusual after missing out on a high profile signing for a club to leak some PR spin around it, whilst quietly identifying alternatives.

This discussion started from my post saying that We should use Dalot and Mazraoui as inverted RWB instead, while playing Amad or Garnacho as wide forward on the right to provide threat on the right flank. I started this based on what we have done recently aka what Amorim is doing right now, so yes it started from there.

• You asked how do I conclude that we should settle for Dalot or Maz on the right.
  • My response: To get the best out of this current squad (May be I should just use the word of ‘’to compliment’’), we should do what we have done recently by playing inverted right wingback because we have Garnacho or Amad who can provide width on the right hand side playing the wide forward role. I further explained that this compliment the current squad because we have Garnacho and Amad who prefer to drift wide not stay inside, while we have Dalot and Mazraoui who prefer to drift inside. If we have Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10, then to compliment them we need inverted right wingback.
  • Further comment which I have made: Not only this compliments Garnacho or Amad, but it also suits to our limited budget so we can focus on other areas such as midfielder, striker, defender, and even LWB because we only have Dorgu.
• You replied again that you don’t think inverted right wingback what Amorim is ultimately aiming for with his system because both players are too limited in attack
  • My response:
    • Playing Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10 and playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted wing back don’t change Amorim’s system and the structure (which I have explained to you how and you can go re-read it again). That’s why he is using it now because it still suits to his system and philosophy.
    • Playing Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10 and playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted wing back compliment the limited in attack of Dalot and Mazraoui because we will have the attacking threat of the right sided wide area from Garnacho or Amad.

So what’s the relation of all these with what Amorim is doing right now to make the most of the squad as it is? It’s related because Amorim has stated from day 1 that he is not going to change his system. Even up to now last week he said it again that he won’t change. That’s why I told you that this inverted right wingback doesn’t change his system because he will still have one player to drift inside and one player to drift wide. No changes in his system and structure. In my previous post, I back my argument with Ornstein statement that right wingback might not be priority anymore.

 

[Zumbi]

This discussion started from my post saying that We should use Dalot and Mazraoui as inverted RWB instead, while playing Amad or Garnacho as wide forward on the right to provide threat on the right flank. I started this based on what we have done recently aka what Amorim is doing right now, so yes it started from there.

• You asked how do I conclude that we should settle for Dalot or Maz on the right.
  • My response: To get the best out of this current squad (May be I should just use the word of ‘’to compliment’’), we should do what we have done recently by playing inverted right wingback because we have Garnacho or Amad who can provide width on the right hand side playing the wide forward role. I further explained that this compliment the current squad because we have Garnacho and Amad who prefer to drift wide not stay inside, while we have Dalot and Mazraoui who prefer to drift inside. If we have Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10, then to compliment them we need inverted right wingback.
  • Further comment which I have made: Not only this compliments Garnacho or Amad, but it also suits to our limited budget so we can focus on other areas such as midfielder, striker, defender, and even LWB because we only have Dorgu.
• You replied again that you don’t think inverted right wingback what Amorim is ultimately aiming for with his system because both players are too limited in attack
  • My response:
    • Playing Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10 and playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted wing back don’t change Amorim’s system and the structure (which I have explained to you how and you can go re-read it again). That’s why he is using it now because it still suits to his system and philosophy.
    • Playing Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10 and playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted wing back compliment the limited in attack of Dalot and Mazraoui because we will have the attacking threat of the right sided wide area from Garnacho or Amad.

So what’s the relation of all these with what Amorim is doing right now to make the most of the squad as it is? It’s related because Amorim has stated from day 1 that he is not going to change his system. Even up to now last week he said it again that he won’t change. That’s why I told you that this inverted right wingback doesn’t change his system because he will still have one player to drift inside and one player to drift wide. No changes in his system and structure. In my previous post, I back my argument with Ornstein statement that right wingback might not be priority anymore.

Which is just a bizarre thing to hear someone argue after spending the last few months hearing most of this this board complain that one of the main reasons we’re so poor in attack is because we lack attacking quality from our WBs, specifically Maz and Dalot. And now we should be foregoing any reinforcement on the right side because doing so would hinder us building our right side around them playing there!? Absolutely baffling.

Do I need to remind you that what we have done recently has not been very effective? We still struggle to score, and we still struggle to break teams down. A few glimmers of hope against a poor Sociedad team doesn’t change that. It genuinely makes me wonder which games you’ve been watching if you think that’s what we should be building our future team around.

I also don’t understand the comparison of Amad and Garnacho providing width by playing a wide forward role. Amad can provide good width as a RWB despite being left footed, but he’s still ultimately always looking to drift infield on his left. And when we saw Amad playing at right 10 with Maz or Dalot at RWB, it wasn’t balanced because they didn’t offer enough attacking threat which just meant the opposition doubled up on Amad, restricting his influence and stunting our attacking play down that flank. Garnacho is a different player there, and doesn’t have the same option of cutting in on his favoured foot, but he’s still a player that looks to drive towards the box.

 

[Ish]

It wasn't any top tier Journos. Just something that popped up on my feed.

Aargh thanks bud

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

This discussion started from my post saying that We should use Dalot and Mazraoui as inverted RWB instead, while playing Amad or Garnacho as wide forward on the right to provide threat on the right flank. I started this based on what we have done recently aka what Amorim is doing right now, so yes it started from there.

• You asked how do I conclude that we should settle for Dalot or Maz on the right.
  • My response: To get the best out of this current squad (May be I should just use the word of ‘’to compliment’’), we should do what we have done recently by playing inverted right wingback because we have Garnacho or Amad who can provide width on the right hand side playing the wide forward role. I further explained that this compliment the current squad because we have Garnacho and Amad who prefer to drift wide not stay inside, while we have Dalot and Mazraoui who prefer to drift inside. If we have Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10, then to compliment them we need inverted right wingback.
  • Further comment which I have made: Not only this compliments Garnacho or Amad, but it also suits to our limited budget so we can focus on other areas such as midfielder, striker, defender, and even LWB because we only have Dorgu.
• You replied again that you don’t think inverted right wingback what Amorim is ultimately aiming for with his system because both players are too limited in attack
  • My response:
    • Playing Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10 and playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted wing back don’t change Amorim’s system and the structure (which I have explained to you how and you can go re-read it again). That’s why he is using it now because it still suits to his system and philosophy.
    • Playing Garnacho or Amad on the right sided 10 and playing Dalot or Mazraoui as inverted wing back compliment the limited in attack of Dalot and Mazraoui because we will have the attacking threat of the right sided wide area from Garnacho or Amad.

So what’s the relation of all these with what Amorim is doing right now to make the most of the squad as it is? It’s related because Amorim has stated from day 1 that he is not going to change his system. Even up to now last week he said it again that he won’t change. That’s why I told you that this inverted right wingback doesn’t change his system because he will still have one player to drift inside and one player to drift wide. No changes in his system and structure. In my previous post, I back my argument with Ornstein statement that right wingback might not be priority anymore.

good post.
Truth Our poverty in attack is mainly a consequence of our lack of consistent quality in our inside left and inside right positions. But many mistakenly think its merely a wing back issue .

 

[JE-365]

Which is just a bizarre thing to hear someone argue after spending the last few months hearing most of this this board complain that one of the main reasons we’re so poor in attack is because we lack attacking quality from our WBs, specifically Maz and Dalot. And now we should be foregoing any reinforcement on the right side because doing so would hinder us building our right side around them playing there!? Absolutely baffling.

Do I need to remind you that what we have done recently has not been very effective? We still struggle to score, and we still struggle to break teams down. A few glimmers of hope against a poor Sociedad team doesn’t change that. It genuinely makes me wonder which games you’ve been watching if you think that’s what we should be building our future team around.

I also don’t understand the comparison of Amad and Garnacho providing width by playing a wide forward role. Amad can provide good width as a RWB despite being left footed, but he’s still ultimately always looking to drift infield on his left. And when we saw Amad playing at right 10 with Maz or Dalot at RWB, it wasn’t balanced because they didn’t offer enough attacking threat which just meant the opposition doubled up on Amad, restricting his influence and stunting our attacking play down that flank. Garnacho is a different player there, and doesn’t have the same option of cutting in on his favoured foot, but he’s still a player that looks to drive towards the box.

It’s bizarre if you expect the manager to use Dalot and Mazraoui as attacking wingback, then I can understand we will be poor in attack because they lack quality in attack to be relied on as one of the main source of our attack and they lack speed/dribbling ability to beat men.

But it’s not bizarre if we don’t use them as the main source of our attack. That’s why you don’t play them as attacking wingback but play them in their strength by playing them as inverted wingback. That’s why I said in my original post before chelsea signed Quenda, based on the recent games, I changed my mind that I think we need attacking LWB more and we can play inverted right wingback which compliment Amad & Garnacho. (Whether the inverted wingback is Right or left don’t matter to be fair. What matter is we need to have one player drift inside on the right, one player drift wide on the right. The same with the left).

Amorim only just deployed inverted wingback recently. When Amad played before his injury, Maz or Dalot was forced to play wider to be attacking wingback. Amorim made a comment in our first match about Dalot that he used to drift inside before but Amorim wanted him to stay wide.

When Amad and Garnacho played in the L10 or R10, they tend to drift wide. It’s their nature of play because they are wingers, therefore instead of using Dalot/Maz to beat players in the wide area or from wide area to inside, we should use Amad/Garnacho instead. To avoid ‘’opposition doubled up on Amad’’ or to get the best out of the situation when opposition doubled up on Amad, that’s why you want to use inverted wingback to attack the inside space that Amad creates after Amad drifts to wide area.