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Geovany Quenda | Ornstein: Chelsea agree 7-year deal with option of a further year. Will go to Chelsea in 2026.
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Think you're just tying yourself conspiratorial knots mate. All reports say that we were beaten to the signature, not for the lack of trying. It can happen, even when we were on top.
I don't understand how you think Dan Ashworth bring sacked is akin to us being back to square one. It's like your ignoring everything else that's been put in place.
Square 1 in terms of us not having a sporting director. Football decisions are being taken by SJR (owner), berrada (CEO) and the technical director. Sure they are better than Arnold, fletcher and murtough but it still business people having a huge say on football decisions
Wilcox is our de facto sporting director and we have an actual director of recruitment in Vivell.
Technical director is just a job title, it's clear that when it comes to the sporting direction of the club Wilcox is the main man.
Why are so many so hyped abouzt this dude. I get he is 17 but i just checked his stats and he has 43 games with 2 goals and 8 assists as a winger. Thats hardly andything some wild stats especially in a weaker league. Sure he may have potential but to splash 50mil+ on a 17 year old and most likely 100k+ a week - thats insane. And where should he play? Instead of amad?
We have more pressing holes to fill in our squad.
We have more pressing holes to fill in our squad.
He is a technical director with just 1 year experience in the role with Southampton. According to SJR, football decisions are being taken by him, jason and Omar. That's heavily staked towards the business side. He also mentioned bicycle man at one point. That's hardly inspiring
All good points. Amorim clearly rates him for obvious reasons but at 17, one never knows how a player is going to develop in the coming few years. The case of Renato Sanches, who at 17, was considered the next big thing immediately springs to mind.
Great example, and one of the reasons why he was hyped was that he was most likely early developed. At an early age he could compete with players ten years his senior in physical duels, and he was quite fast for a midfielder. You never know the trajectory of any player really. But most develop more linear than your typical Owen or Ronaldo. It’s just that we love a prodigy.
Brilliant, this is a promotion worthy post as far as I'm concerned.The financial situation is what it is regardless of what he says, and I also think he implied at one point fans should temper expectations. I think that time he was mostly referencing the overpaid dross in the squad.
With exceptional scouting and negotiation, maybe you can find young players with potential, but even those cost £30M-£40M these days, which the club just doesn't have, unless it starts selling good.
I'm interested to see what players are brought in, but I don't expect a great deal. I thought at least Quenda was nailed on, but I guess not.
A left footed RWB with Amad ahead of them, why are we trying to make the pitch as small as possible? Where’s the width on that side of the pitch?
What was impressive about Dorgu last night (aside from his physicality) was his willingness to stay wide, stretch the play and create more space.
Why managers want to over complicate things I’ll never know. Ten Hag was the same when he insisted on making Dalot play in the half spaces outside the opposition box as if he’s some sort of high quality # 10.
At the risk of triggering my Dutch player PTSD, I’d sooner bring in Frimpong than any other left footed RWB.
What was impressive about Dorgu last night (aside from his physicality) was his willingness to stay wide, stretch the play and create more space.
Why managers want to over complicate things I’ll never know. Ten Hag was the same when he insisted on making Dalot play in the half spaces outside the opposition box as if he’s some sort of high quality # 10.
At the risk of triggering my Dutch player PTSD, I’d sooner bring in Frimpong than any other left footed RWB.
Couldn’t help laughing when I saw the Chelsea story I was actually convinced that we’d get this guy.
Ah well.
I was actually convinced that we’d get this guy. Ah well.
He seemed like an exciting talent but our priority really needs to be a striker and probably someone to play behind the striker so I’m fine missing out on him if it means we divert funds towards that instead
It always hurt when you open your heart and get your hopes up.
I honestly hope Kamason gets a chance, and we prioritise a striker if money is tight.
He should get a chance. I think he's a better fit than Dalot.
He's playing for the dominant team in a weaker league. It's hard to say in that situation what's really optimal. You're likely going to win anyway.
What I do know is that in the Prem, for United, a left footed RWB isn't ideal. It's a compromise.
It'd be the typical overcomplicating thing we've been doing for years.
Just get a right footer there. Keep it simple.
But Madrid didn't need Camavinga to come in and immediately start performing. They has senior alternatives. They were in a very good position when signing him.
We're the opposite of that. We do in fact need players who can hit the ground running.
When comparing the transfers of clubs you have to take into account their situations.
We've got a 20 year old LWB and two 18 year old CB's.
You don't add another 17/18 year old as a starting RWB.
He hasn't even made a match day squad yet. Usually they're taken on the tour, then it takes them a further year at the earliest from the tour to even get a chance in the team. He looks good but if he was in line to get a chance next season, he'd have made a matchday squad/ bench by now, surely?
Yeah same. Real shame to miss out on him.
It's possible that he will make his debut by the time this season is over. He should definitely be going on tour, along with several other youngsters. I'm not so sure we'll be selling Dalot in the summer, so it's difficult to envisage an immediate route for Kamason. However, I can only state that he's a player who I would certainly be giving opportunities to.
This is kinda funny to read when Sporting hadn’t won that league in twenty years, and it was Amorim and his system which changed that and brought them some long awaited success. And last season the evolution of that system included playing a left footer at RWB for very specific reasons.
I think your stance of “right footer must play on right” is overly simplistic and ignores some important nuances of why Amorim set up the way he did with Quenda on the right.
And funnily enough, by far our most effective RWB this year has been….a left footer.
This makes me think that Roger Fernandes at Braga is the target. He's another left footed winger playing on the right. Lower release clause than Quenda.
Chelsea will be back to playing FM this summer. Robbing other teams targets
It seems to be their main transfer strategy. They deliberately steal other teams’ transfer targets right from under their noses, even if they may not have a particular need for that player. This goes back to the days of them signing Jon-Obi Mikel and Arjen Robben.
I have found the term for this: kleptoparasitism.
If there’s one team that doesn’t seem to have a plan it’s them. They just sign a ton of wingers and defenders and try to fit them in anyway they can.
Second. He was the first reliable journalist.
Ornstein credited both Fab and this guy.
I think you're imagining their main goal is to win trophies rather than earn money for their investors. Their model is simply to seek out and hoard valuable prospects, secure them on long term but essentially cheap contracts - so that they are always sellable - and sell when the time is right. It's very high risk especially when they are paying big premia at the moment for the likes of Estevao and Quenda.
It's there. We just started later than other clubs so it's behind and will take a while to catch up because of the resources you have to commit.
I’m thinking more about the totals of their vast array of player purchases, some of which break the €q100m mark.
Have either club commented about this yet ?
You might be right but I feel we should target Diomande. I think he has big potential and signing him would give us a potentially excellent defense as far as playing higher up the pitch. He's also a high volume passer with the ability to progress the ball between the lines. For me he's the one that has the physical, athletic and technical profile to raise the level in the backline which would give Amorim the tools to coach a more proactive attacking style of play.
But Amorim would require a deeper lying midfielder infront of the CBs who has the attributes to significantly raise the level in midfield. And if they can get that signing right then the hope for me at least will be to see one of the younger players stake a claim to play alongside him.
Are we disappointed? Or not so much?
Isn't his heading quite weak. Combined with Yoro's not so great heading, I'd be worried that our set piece ability stays quite bad.
What would United possibly comment?
Although Goldbridge had a meltdown over it this morning, it’s not clearly not a devastating blow to United. Move on.
He can be uh a bit overdramatic. I stopped watching that dude. He is all about agendas. He will twist distort or ignore facts for this. It's really annoying.
That wasn't in reference to United. The two clubs involved would be Chelsea and Sporting.
His meltdown made little sense when you look at the wider context. If you look at it at a base level it’s Quenda chose Chelsea over a club that had his former manager - how far have we fallen? With context Sporting accepted an offer higher than we were willing to pay PLUS him staying there for another year when we would want him instantly. Chelsea offered a total package more attractive than we did. It’s not a case of us losing out because of the state of our club as he argued.
I’m upset we’ll miss out on him, but I’m glad we didn’t buy him under those conditions.
He's getting better and better aerially from what I've seen and depending on the stats people want to gauge his aerial ability on, he looks like a CB who is showing the ability to be very complete. I think he's a young CB with all the right attributes for the premier league and he can be utilised both as a RCB or as a CCB in a 3 man backline. I would personally like to see him as the CCB in a 3 man backline and having both Diomande and Yoro as options in the backline potentially gives us the opportunity to create a very strong rest defense which is absolutely crucial for any coach who wants to play a more dominant brand of football in a higher line, which allows a higher volume of players to occupy the opponent's half of the pitch. If we can't do this as a team, we just won't be able to create enough chances. We will also a require a top class midfielder or a potentially top midfielder to create that strong foundation which would allow us to squeeze the pitch in a higher line.
Fabrizio Romano from what I've just read is reporting about United seriously looking at bringing in another CB. And I think that is the correct move and if Ayden Heaven can become a solid option for us on the left of the backline then I think someone like Diomande should be a serious option. Otherwise I feel the LCB position was probably more important to reinforce with maybe some like Dean Huijsen.