That’s about as true as the “Starmer says trans women have no right to use women’s toilets” Telegraph headline you shared. The reality is what you don’t want to hear. It’s complicated.
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That’s about as true as the “Starmer says trans women have no right to use women’s toilets” Telegraph headline you shared. The reality is what you don’t want to hear. It’s complicated.
Good post.
But they don't have good answers for how to fix any of it. Distracting from that is a good result for both Labour and the Tories. They're going to win because of the Tories horrible record, that's already kind of a given.
Nobody is being banned from anything. The proposal being considered is that if a biological woman requests a single sex ward (for example, if they’re a victim of male violence) then they should do what they can to comply with that request. Which might involve offering a trans woman a room of their own. All seems reasonable to me and probably extremely rare, in practice. It definitely wouldn’t justify “trans women banned from women’s wards” headlines.
He's not, he's just not left enough for lefties and they don't like his brand of labour.
If you're far enough left there isn't much between starmer and the Tories I guess.
Basically the Labour part stance is that biological women should be allowed to have certain rights defined by their biological sex. Which seems reasonable if a) you accept the concept of biological women and b) you don’t think biological males should be entitled to exactly the same rights that they do.
So they're not going to ban them, they just won't be allowed on them.
Who is supposed to be in the cult again?
You again. Why do you find basic reading comprehension so difficult?
Are trans women going to be allowed on women's wards if they're 'single sex'? Yes or no?
Weird that the Health Secretary by the end of this week has determined them to be an entirely separate sex to themselves then when talking about having separate trans wards as part of his single sex wards plan.
It's almost as if he's saying the exact opposite of your claim or something.
You’ll have to link me to a quote where anyone suggest “separate trans wards”?
This is what is proposed.
I would imagine that a scenario like this won’t happen very often.
Again, the literal Health Secretary in around 72 hours time wants single sex wards and specifically cites trans people as belonging to neither male or female and requiring separate ones.
Keir Starmer went further than claimed it was already NHS policy, but the government have lost control of the situation.
As per my edit. You’ll have to link me to the bit where anyone (Labour or otherwise) suggests “separate trans wards” because that sounds absolutely mental. Pressure on beds in hospitals is bad enough without having wards sitting empty, just in case a bunch of trans people need to be admitted. So I’m calling bullshit here.
Snap on the edit front.
Ok, then. So no “separate trans wards” but fair cop on Starmer talking shite. He doesn’t seem to understand the policy being proposed.
They could be broom cupboards or entire hospitals, they're still separate.
Trans people won't be banned from hopsitals, if that's what you're trying to infer.
Just the regular wards. They'll still be allowed in the little shop at the entrance.
Give it a week and Streeting will be cutting ribbons at single-sex corridors for people to be left on a trolley in.
There are a quarter of a million people waiting more than 2 months to be awwn with cancer. If I was the shadow health minister and I was asked that question I would say that's a stupid question and in no way on my list of priorities. There are more pressing issues facing the NHS bore off.
The female only wards. It's hardly a controversial issue.
When he does it, you'll have an argument. Till then, keep your fantasies to yourself, it's better for everyone that way.
And the male ones if you've transitioned the other way around.
"Same rules apply"
To end this non-argument, for now, let me just point out to you that it seems you care more about sticking it to labour than you actually care about trans issues, so let's not beat around the bush.
Oh this is my favourite the clutching of pearls aimed at people who aren't using the lives of others as a culture war. Fantastic stuff.
Only one here interested in culture wars is you mate.
Very compelling accusations from the joker who forgets he supports trans people of wes streeting is not part of the conversation. Jeez
At that scale of a landslide it would be slightly disappointing for the Tories to still be the official opposition, but at least it would be a strong message
SNP on 10 isn't happening
300 losses for the Tories. Whatever the next few years brings, I will enjoy Thursday night.
Sorry is the default setting being a transphobic bigot unless you say otherwise?
What am I like talking about the views of the soon to be Health Secretary whose plans will be implemented in their entirety unopposed for the next five years?
Reason #34648319 why I’ll be voting Lib Dem.
Have to say that while that would be a good outcome, I would be a bit surprised if that actually was the result. There are still a large number of people who have not yet decided which way they will vote. And there is always going to be a number of those who have been polled who decide not to bother to vote.
The same folk who for months have been saying 'vote Labour in and then complain' will suddenly push back against any criticism or protest. That much is guaranteed.
I guess you were probably too busy wanking off to sweet squares twitter sprees every time kemi and her friend were being transphobic then.
In case it still flies over your head, I'm accusing you of using trans issues to score political points. Your post history says it all.
Now on to the block list you go, cause I have enough of your idioticy for today.
I’m resigned to Farage winning that seat but I’m hoping he gets more blame when he does feck all after getting elected. Him losing would be great but the Cnut will win.
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