General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%
  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%
  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%
  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%
  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%

  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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Why would his father say "My Factory"
I worked in a factory, but when asked where I worked I never referred to it as "My Factory"
Goodness sake :lol:

I’ve absolutely said in context of when my son has been brought into my work “oh sons name came into my office today”.
 
It really isn’t. Rwanda-style asylum insanity has been in this country for decades.

A report titled Asylum: The Nuclear Option, after a “brainstorming” session by senior government advisers, was sent from the Downing Street chief of staff, Jonathan Powell, to Blair in January 2003 and suggested the proposals “to send a shockwave through the system”. They also included legislating “incompatibly” with the ECHR to send people back even if they were at risk and with little right of appeal, files released by the National Archives show.

Though the plans were not implemented, Powell wrote that there should be a simple system that immediately returns those arriving illegally. “As an island, people who come here by sea have by definition already passed through a safe country. And very few of those who apply at airports are genuine refugees.”He made reference to the “great successes of the Australians” holding asylum seekers in camps before returning them.

https://theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/29/tony-blair-rwanda-style-asylum-plan-2003

The fact so many see Braverman as extremist is probably a good sign of progress in Britain but she’s isn’t any different to the average right wing MP in 2005
 
Same. They are essentially Tories. My vulgar Marxism tells me the answer is small class differences in their upbringing.

The children of middle class professionals - Factory managers in the case of Starmer or teachers for Reeves end up in the Labour Party and the children of the petite bourgeoisie(Matt Hancok parents owned a software company)end up in the Tory Party.

Streeting is a right winger from a working class background. Meaning it would be impossible for him to join the Tories and his hatred will be based around attacking the left more than anything else.

Ultimately it doesn’t make much difference as they all go to the same educational classes and institutions.

Also I remember the story of about Tony Blair having no idea about the 1950’s coup in Iran. These people know very little and what they do know tends to justify their own positions of power. It’s almost certain Reeves would give a very stupid and contradictory answer to why she is in the Labour Party.
How many people know about that? I'd never heard of it until now and I have fairly good knowledge of general world events
 
America and UK are not different at all. See Brexit.

The absolute last thing you should do is underestimate the situation. The entire continent of Europe is shifting to the right because of immigration. There’s no easy solution to the problem and it’s only going to get worse thanks to a combination of climate change and late stage capitalism with world wealth continuing to consolidate into a small number of bank accounts plus China’s hostile economic policies.

All people want is easy solutions to complex problems and that’s what Farage offers and with the right wing press (95% of our media) pushing his message plus relentless social media, more and more are going to be sucked in by it.
They say what happens in America is what happens in the UK 10 years later, if you think of it that way then Farage is the Tea Partty which ulitately resulted in Trump, you have been warned :eek:
 
It really isn’t. Rwanda-style asylum insanity has been in this country for decades.



The fact so many see Braverman as extremist is probably a good sign of progress in Britain but she’s isn’t any different to the average right wing MP in 2005
The "average right wing MP" wasn't home secretary though.
 
East European Countries want to join the EU, not leave it. (who are not pro-Putin) Putin's little helpers and useful idiots, Farage and Le Pen

I am talking about those eastern countries already inside the EU, they are uncomfortable with the idea they will be subject to spill over migration from Italy, Greece, even France, who accept migrants. I am not saying they will leave, but they will want to restrict freedom of movement with the EU. They are not in a majority yet but its coming, with the swing to the right in many stable countries within the EU and now Macron has opened up France to an 'out of the blue' election what happens if his gamble doesn't work? Macron's leadership of the EU will be questioned, even if its not within France itself. He's already being seen as a potential 'lame duck' President in many quarters both inside and outside the EU, indeed if the press is correct in France itself, because of his, what appears to be, 'knee-jerk' reaction

In what sense?
As above, everything is heading potentially towards instability across Europe (inside the EU) and beyond, there is danger of a 3-way dispute/split, between members of the EU, the North/West Countries, Southern Countries and Eastern (including former USSR states) countries. Migration issues are being 'ramped-up', sometimes in reality, sometimes in propaganda terms, which will put 'freedom of movement' with the EU under increasing intense pressure.

If Macron's gamble in France pays off, the pressure will ease, but if not, then there is a good chance that he will no longer be the accepted as( titular) leader of the EU and that will probably move back to Germany. This will of course destablise the EU in its political agenda terms and the first casualty is likely to be changes to the 'freedom of movement' requirements to keep a number of existing member countries on-side.

Ironically, this political instability might give the UK, via Starmer's new government, a chance to take discussions further with the EU, especially if 'freedom of movement' requirements are adjusted, this might even give Starmer a chance to risk (resurrecting) rejoining the EU to the British public.
 
They're called Nightingale wards. There are mostly bays now, with 6 or 8 beds in each bay.

That's was the biggest shock my wife had when she came to the UK. In the 70s when our first daughter was born she asked when she was going to moved to her room.
When I told her that this was it she wouldn't believe me.

Most rooms in France have two beds and you pay a supplement if you want to be on your own. That was nearly 50 years ago.
Sounds as if it hasn't changed much.
 
I am talking about those eastern countries already inside the EU, they are uncomfortable with the idea they will be subject to spill over migration from Italy, Greece, even France, who accept migrants. I am not saying they will leave, but they will want to restrict freedom of movement with the EU. They are not in a majority yet but its coming, with the swing to the right in many stable countries within the EU and now Macron has opened up France to an 'out of the blue' election what happens if his gamble doesn't work? Macron's leadership of the EU will be questioned, even if its not within France itself. He's already being seen as a potential 'lame duck' President in many quarters both inside and outside the EU, indeed if the press is correct in France itself, because of his, what appears to be, 'knee-jerk' reaction


As above, everything is heading potentially towards instability across Europe (inside the EU) and beyond, there is danger of a 3-way dispute/split, between members of the EU, the North/West Countries, Southern Countries and Eastern (including former USSR states) countries. Migration issues are being 'ramped-up', sometimes in reality, sometimes in propaganda terms, which will put 'freedom of movement' with the EU under increasing intense pressure.

If Macron's gamble in France pays off, the pressure will ease, but if not, then there is a good chance that he will no longer be the accepted as( titular) leader of the EU and that will probably move back to Germany. This will of course destablise the EU in its political agenda terms and the first casualty is likely to be changes to the 'freedom of movement' requirements to keep a number of existing member countries on-side.

Ironically, this political instability might give the UK, via Starmer's new government, a chance to take discussions further with the EU, especially if 'freedom of movement' requirements are adjusted, this might even give Starmer a chance to risk (resurrecting) rejoining the EU to the British public.

I don't know where you're getting this idea from. The basics of the EU are the four freedoms, labour, capital, goods and services.
The far right are against people of a different colour and religion, not against other Europeans.
The EU members agreed a new pact on migration from outside the EU only recently in April.

Having spoken to people who voted to leave the EU in the UK , the lies they gave for reasons gradually melted away and it ended up by the vast majority that the main reason was because they didn't like muslims and asylum seekers. Of course there are some equally stupid people in the EU but to destroy their economy is not on their agenda. The UK was a great advert.

As I said , which has been totally obvious for the seven or eight years I have been aware of him, Starmer hasn't got the first clue about Brexit or how the EU works.
 
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That's was the biggest shock my wife had when she came to the UK. In the 70s when our first daughter was born she asked when she was going to moved to her room.
When I told her that this was it she wouldn't believe me.

Most rooms in France have two beds and you pay a supplement if you want to be on your own. That was nearly 50 years ago.
Sounds as if it hasn't changed much.
That's interesting. When I was in hospital this year I was in a 6-bed bay and I think an 8-bed one right after my surgery. It was also mixed, there were men wandering around (the bays were single-sex, of course).

Not that it made much difference. I have no complaints about the speed of the treatment I received, but the lack of care around patient privacy and dignity was actually so bad it was funny. The worst example was when a nurse was putting me in a gown in a kind of pre-op area and a man on another trolley was just looking at me. I had no clothes on and there were no curtains. It's just as well that I was so drugged-up.
 
That's interesting. When I was in hospital this year I was in a 6-bed bay and I think an 8-bed one right after my surgery. It was also mixed, there were men wandering around (the bays were single-sex, of course).

Not that it made much difference. I have no complaints about the speed of the treatment I received, but the lack of care around patient privacy and dignity was actually so bad it was funny. The worst example was when a nurse was putting me in a gown in a kind of pre-op area and a man on another trolley was just looking at me. I had no clothes on and there were no curtains. It's just as well that I was so drugged-up.

North v South Italy again I'm afraid. I've been to visit people in hospitals around Milan and it's exactly the same. Two people to a room unless you pay a small supplement for a private room. I also had the displeasure to visit somebody in a hospital in Puglia and it was as you describe.
 
That's interesting. When I was in hospital this year I was in a 6-bed bay and I think an 8-bed one right after my surgery. It was also mixed, there were men wandering around (the bays were single-sex, of course).
Not that it made much difference. I have no complaints about the speed of the treatment I received, but the lack of care around patient privacy and dignity was actually so bad it was funny. The worst example was when a nurse was putting me in a gown in a kind of pre-op area and a man on another trolley was just looking at me. I had no clothes on and there were no curtains. It's just as well that I was so drugged-up.

yeah, it’s terrible. especially as you were only visiting @oates.
 
Starmer says he is 'concerned' about impact of photo ID voting law as he confirms Labour will review it
Keir Starmer has said he is “concerned” about the impact of the law introduced by the Conservatives requiring people to produce photo ID to be allowed to vote in general elections.

Labour has not committed to repeal the law, but Starmer confirmed that his party will review how it operates if it wins the election.

In an interview with Sky News, asked why he was not going to scrap the law, Starmer replied:

The first thing I’d say is, remember, every person who’s watching this, you do need ID going into this election.
Obviously there’s been a review into the impact, and there will be a review into this general election on the impact of ID. So we’ll look at that in due course.
I think we need to review and look at the ID rules. I am concerned about the impact. I won’t shy away from that. But my message today is remember your ID when you go to vote this time around.
The photo ID law applies to all Westminster elections in Britain, local elections in England, and police and crime commissioner elections in England and Wales. Northern Ireland already had a photo ID requirement.

The government claimed the measures was needed to combat electoral fraud, and perceptions that cheating at elections was too easy. But there are very few reported cases of people voting under a false name in British elections, and critics alleged the law was introduced by Tories in the hope that it might reduce the number of leftwing people casting a vote.

At a Tory event last year Jacob Rees-Mogg, the former cabinet minister, seemed to confirm this when he said: “Parties that try and gerrymander end up finding their clever scheme comes back to bite them, as dare I say we found by insisting on voter ID for elections.”

There was fresh evidence of this recently when the Times published extracts from a memo written by Johnny Mercer, the veterans minister, saying that his bid to get No 10 to allow people to use the veteran’s card as ID when voting was blocked because they argued it would “open the floodgates” to students using their student ID too.

The Electoral Commission was in favour of some ID requirement for people voting, but was surprised when ministers insisted that only certain types of photo ID would be permitted. A review could lead to a wider variety of ID being deemed acceptable.

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A possible positive here. If they review it and change it, or scrap it, they will be making a positive move
 
Why do they still think they can get an away with posting this nonsense and not be pulled up on it? They’ve been fact checked enough times on community notes to know better surely?
Utter desperation - harking back to 2007 and an event triggered by events elsewhere when it’s less than 2 years since an unelected Tory PM triggered a meltdown by implementing Tufton St fantasy economic theory.
 
That's great as long as Farage doesn't get in, I want the cnut to suffer the humiliation of an 8th defeat, its the least he deserves for the damage he's done.

He doesn't feel humiliated. He doesn't care. He just wants to grif
 
I don't know where you're getting this idea from. The basics of the EU are the four freedoms, labour, capital, goods and services.
The far right are against people of a different colour and religion, not against other Europeans.
The EU members agreed a new pact on migration from outside the EU only recently in April.

Having spoken to people who voted to leave the EU in the UK , the lies they gave for reasons gradually melted away and it ended up by the vast majority that the main reason was because they didn't like muslims and asylum seekers. Of course there are some equally stupid people in the EU but to destroy their economy is not on their agenda. The UK was a great advert.

As I said , which has been totally obvious for the seven or eight years I have been aware of him, Starmer hasn't got the first clue about Brexit or how the EU works.

From articles in both the foreign press and UK, and from reading news reports.

Yes, there are racist elements in all of this, but Italy and Greece in particular are keen to find ways to make other EU countries take their share of immigrants, whatever their colour or religion, or whether they are asylum seekers or not. This problem is relative small, but its growing and as climate changes take effect many countries in particular around the equator will be creating a new wave of migrants.

Each EU country has its own reasons for wanting to change some of the rules, mainly about onward movement inside the EU via the freedom to move rules. Hungary for example, fears the influx of non Christians, each country will take steps to protect its borders whether from cultural diversification, or political or environmental reasons which allow immigrants once registered in an EU country to move elsewhere under the freedom of movement rules. As time goes by this will get more intense and put more strain on individual governments, many suspect the swing to the right seen recently is driven mainly by worries about migration.

The point I was making was that if there are changes in the freedom to move rules in the EU, this may well prompt Starmer to make fresh approaches to rejoin the EU, because as you rightly said a lot of Brexit voters had these issue front and centre in their minds when voting leave. However lets be clear this is not going to happen any time soon, and lots of political ground would have to be covered first, but for everyone concerned the mass migration era has already been entered and its going to spread and increase in magnitude over the next 25 to 50 years, climate change alone, is going to ensure that.
 
:lol: This is why I am not too pessimistic about the rise of Reform. They really aren't capable of anything other than shouting Immigration.

And getting loads of people to actually vote for them.
Hope they get zero seats.
 
From articles in both the foreign press and UK, and from reading news reports.

Yes, there are racist elements in all of this, but Italy and Greece in particular are keen to find ways to make other EU countries take their share of immigrants, whatever their colour or religion, or whether they are asylum seekers or not. This problem is relative small, but its growing and as climate changes take effect many countries in particular around the equator will be creating a new wave of migrants.

Each EU country has its own reasons for wanting to change some of the rules, mainly about onward movement inside the EU via the freedom to move rules. Hungary for example, fears the influx of non Christians, each country will take steps to protect its borders whether from cultural diversification, or political or environmental reasons which allow immigrants once registered in an EU country to move elsewhere under the freedom of movement rules. As time goes by this will get more intense and put more strain on individual governments, many suspect the swing to the right seen recently is driven mainly by worries about migration.

The point I was making was that if there are changes in the freedom to move rules in the EU, this may well prompt Starmer to make fresh approaches to rejoin the EU, because as you rightly said a lot of Brexit voters had these issue front and centre in their minds when voting leave. However lets be clear this is not going to happen any time soon, and lots of political ground would have to be covered first, but for everyone concerned the mass migration era has already been entered and its going to spread and increase in magnitude over the next 25 to 50 years, climate change alone, is going to ensure that.

You're nearly right. Hungary fears an influx of people with non-white skin and Christianity has precious little to do with it.
 
I'm hoping beyond hope Ellie gets it. A big push for Green over here.

I'd love to see the Greens do better, but it's a wasted vote in my constituency. Might still do it anyway as my vote is almost worthless
 
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