General Election 2024
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I honestly don’t know what attracted people like her and Wes Streeting to the Labour Party initially. Are they just really cynical?
Nah it wasn't live. The guy (Nick Garnett) had his phone out doing an interview. If they air it tomorrow and I don't sound like a massive pillock then I'll share it.
You can still call me a wanker of course
It’s a shame we won’t get to hear it.Nah it wasn't live. The guy (Nick Garnett) had his phone out doing an interview. If they air it tomorrow and I don't sound like a massive pillock then I'll share it.
You can still call me a wanker of course
Its either or for people of those aspirations whether it comes to joining Labour or the Tories. A bit like deciding between Oxford and Cambridge between the upper classes. The whole partisanship is just a show of sport, I sincerely doubt most of the current front benchers genuinely care about the struggles facing the ordinary citizen. They could have easily passed as small c conservatives.
Same. They are essentially Tories. My vulgar Marxism tells me the answer is small class differences in their upbringing.
The children of middle class professionals - Factory managers in the case of Starmer or teachers for Reeves end up in the Labour Party and the children of the petite bourgeoisie(Matt Hancok parents owned a software company)end up in the Tory Party.
Streeting is a right winger from a working class background. Meaning it would be impossible for him to join the Tories and his hatred will be based around attacking the left more than anything else.
Ultimately it doesn’t make much difference as they all go to the same educational classes and institutions.
Also I remember the story of about Tony Blair having no idea about the 1950’s coup in Iran. These people know very little and what they do know tends to justify their own positions of power. It’s almost certain Reeves would give a very stupid and contradictory answer to why she is in the Labour Party.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...bour-government-levy-premier-league-transfers
Labour government will consider a 10% levy on Premier League transfers
"Amateurs to the left of me, jokers to the right."
Labour government will consider a 10% levy on Premier League transfers
- Levy would raise funds to support the football pyramid
- Keir Starmer promises ‘no super league-style breakaways’
"Amateurs to the left of me, jokers to the right."
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This guy is an idiot.
Well, obviously I'll make an exception for anyone who has something worthwhile to say.
They both started getting involved in the party when Labour was in power. It was a career choice. Like a lot of the PLP, they despise the party membership for derailing their career paths when they elected Corbyn as leader. They were willing to play the long game though and work towards ousting Corbyn and getting rid of democracy within the party. Something the likes of Chuka Umunna weren't willing to do and instead took jobs with JP Morgan and the like.
Ahh I'd forgotten about him. A man so shameless he edited his own wikipedia page to claim he's been described as the British Obama.
There is guy on Newsnight from the IFS and I swear he is in his school uniform and looks like he is 16.
They are talking about the child benefit cap and how Labour are awful for not abolishing it, which is fair enough, but no mentioned who and when it was introduced?
Who are the IFS, how are they funded, and what do they do and who do they serve?
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They are talking about the child benefit cap and how Labour are awful for not abolishing it, which is fair enough, but no mentioned who and when it was introduced?
Who are the IFS, how are they funded, and what do they do and who do they serve?
@Frosty
The Telegraph is really living on long past glories with those scores. It's actually worse than the DM these days, with it's shrill paranoia about 'the left', like Starmer is Lenin reincarnate.
I'm not sure. If anything, the UK remains very much committed to centrist politics.
It's taken a very beige leader in Starmer to overtake the Tories and probably ultimately beat them.
Truss is probably the closest we've had to a far right loon. I'm not sure Johnson really believed half the shite he came out with. Even Sunak is nowhere near Le Pen etc
With Farage (probably the closest we have to the far right in more mainstream politics) as I said in another post, him getting closer to 'leader of opposition' territory over the next five years results in one of two things happening.
1. If he's Tory leader, a not insignificant number of their MPs leave the party.
2. If hes still Reform leader and Tories switch to the party, there will just be a massive split in voting % resulting in loads of 2nd/3rd places and Labour winning seats without really doing anything major and keeping the centre ground fairly comfortably.
We’ve already seen what happens in America with 1. - a not insignificant number is literally less than a handful. The rest drink the koolaid and sell their souls to the devil.
The best thing that can happen is polls are wildly wrong and reform end up with next to no MPs. Or the polls are right and they do reasonably percentage wise but it again translates to no seats.
America and the UK are very different. The UK is probably unique even when it comes to the rest of Europe. It would be a lot harder for someone like Le Pen to get a proper foothold in British politics. Even Farage, with his frankly insane amount of media coverage, has yet to win a seat in Parliament
Farage won't get half the country voting for him like Trump did. That's ultimately the biggest factor. Republicans aren't publically as split as the Tories and will ultimately get behind there man when it comes down it. The Tories will happily stab their man in the back for even the faintest glimpse of the top job. Trump would ultimately face the same issues as Johnson if he was leader of the tory party
Potentially, the only thing that stops a centrist Labour government dominating for the next 15 or so years is a split over Europe.
The Tories will ultimately get back in not long after that when a more palatable face of Conservatism comes to the forefront and the public decide they want to elect Jack Johnson rather than John Jackson.
America and UK are not different at all. See Brexit.
The absolute last thing you should do is underestimate the situation. The entire continent of Europe is shifting to the right because of immigration. There’s no easy solution to the problem and it’s only going to get worse thanks to a combination of climate change and late stage capitalism with world wealth continuing to consolidate into a small number of bank accounts plus China’s hostile economic policies.
All people want is easy solutions to complex problems and that’s what Farage offers and with the right wing press (95% of our media) pushing his message plus relentless social media, more and more are going to be sucked in by it.
After 1-2 terms of "centrist" Starmer and no tangible improvement in living conditions, the UK will lurch to the far right.
Brexit was a complicated issue. There was people on the left of British politics that were anti EU. Labelling as a right wing v left wing thing was always lazy.
People do demand easy answers but there's a reason why Farage has yet to win a seat in Parliament, there's a reason why the BNP never got anywhere near doing anything. There's a reason why Tommy Robinson's brief attempt at a political career failed miserably.
Ultimately, there's a reason why the tories have had 5 leaders since they first got voted back in. Too many within British politics have a very individualistic outlook that when push comes to shove, they will happily vote in their own interests (usually financial) rather than any movement that they allegedly believe in. Its bad because it stops any progressive movement developing but also good because it curtails any serious progression for the far right within mainstream politics.
It didn't lurch to the far right in 2010. There wasn't that much difference between Blair/Brown and Cameron.
Ah Marxism combined with a bit of cod psychology, always good for a chuckle.
Labour are incredibly stupid
2010 was only 2 years on from the financial crash... since then we have had what seems like managed decline ever since. Also, in 4 or 5 years we are much more likely to see an opposition that is populist far right. That would be the first time in my adult life. I don't think we should underestimate what might happen under these circumstances where lots of people are increasingly angry and frustrated.
Are there still wards in British hospitals? Like in the Carry On films with 20 or 30 people in it?
Son of a toolmaker but can't call a spade a spade.
Did I hear Angela Rayner say in one debate that Labours GB energy plan will enable us to stop relying on "Putin" for our gas supply.
According to recent figures we get around 3% of our gas from Russia, hardly a significant amount.
Did you know Kier Starmers father was a toolmaker, and his mother was nurse?
According to recent figures we get around 3% of our gas from Russia, hardly a significant amount.
Did you know Kier Starmers father was a toolmaker, and his mother was nurse?
The clip sums up Starmer well. Attempting to sound all serious while the actual content of what he is saying is immoral and stupid.
I'm not sure how trustworthy the site is;
However Guido Fawkes has done a bit of digging and discovered that during his year off from Uni Keir worked in his fathers Toolmaking factory as a machine operator.
Note "In his fathers factory"
Starmer’s Father Admitted He Was the Owner of Toolmaking Factory – Guido Fawkes (order-order.com)
However Guido Fawkes has done a bit of digging and discovered that during his year off from Uni Keir worked in his fathers Toolmaking factory as a machine operator.
Note "In his fathers factory"
Starmer’s Father Admitted He Was the Owner of Toolmaking Factory – Guido Fawkes (order-order.com)
Guido Fawkes? feck me.
You do realise “his father’s factory” just means “where his father worked”?
Why would his father say "My Factory"
I worked in a factory, but when asked where I worked I never referred to it as "My Factory"
The trouble is this will ring true for many people, Britain stands alone against the nazis, the British empire gave to the world etc, schools today teach everyone that we were all slave traders etc. It's just crass bullshit, but lots of people will sadly agree.
If I was talking about my son coming to do work experience with me, I’d definitely say “he came to work at my office” rather than “he came to work with me at the office that I worked at”.
You’re looking into this far too much.
Guido Fawkes ffs.
Didn't it? In 2009 could you even have imagined an actual home secretary coming out with the stuff Suella did?
Great post.
They are a not for profit research organisation, and are non-political. Their funding is unlike Tufton Street organisations, and receive money from the Economic and Social Research Council, UK government departments, foundations, the European Research Council, international organisations, companies and other non-profit organisations.
Around election time they aim to provide unbiased analysis of party manifestos, and analyse government funding decisions in office.
They state: "IFS never accepts funding for a research project - or indeed funding of any kind - that relies on a specific result being found or that compromises our independence and neutrality."
You can disagree with their outcomes, but it is nothing like the right wing dark-money organisations that exist.
Bravo.
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