Starmer is awful. About as much charisma as Gordon Brown with less than half of his brains. Speaks volumes about how loathed the Tories are at the moment that he could win in a landslide.
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At the risk of going slightly off topic, you're saying the sole reason you're not banging Scarlett Johansson is that it would upset your wife?
Victoria Derbyshire is hands down the best political journalist in the country.
So presenting fraudulent evidence to the country before a vote is still not a crime. That's nice, we should probably do another Brexit.
Did they really only give them 45 seconds each to respond?
Christ.
Christ.
Don't think anyone won that. Sunak was dreadful, Starmer dreadful and the public lose out getting either of these melts as a PM.
Predictions for today?
Davey dressed as a clown juggling behind a Rishi interview for me.
Davey dressed as a clown juggling behind a Rishi interview for me.
This is why the Lib Dems want to bring in PR
That is why the LDs want to bring in PR.
And they are not Tories in yellow jackets at all.
if you you look up Liberal Democrat values you will see they are actually worlds apart.
Fecking hell.
To be fair, the current Lib Dem leader spent 4 years as a minister in cameron's government that inflicted austerity onto the people of this country, killing an estimated 300,000 people. So it is easy to see why they are confused.
https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/archiveofnews/2022/october/headline_885099_en.html
Lib Dems aren't great but are still much preferable to this current labour iteration. Not least because they support electoral reform.
If it was, Farage would be in jail 100 times over.
The masked slipped at the end when she said the figures were ‘created’.
Yeah it was a very poor format and a very poor debate. An hour isn’t long enough really - just descends into constant soundbites. Host was crap aswell she may aswell have let Sunak ask the questions as that’s what he did for most of it.
But he doesn't say deporting at all. He says he would consider processing asylum claims in a third country (and if compliant with international law). That doesn't stop successful applicants then being resettled in the UK - very different to the awful Rwanda law.
The letter is proof Sunak pulled it out his arse but the wider public won't care about that, they will have seen the debate and seen Starmer never addressed it
Equally that Retirement tax or whatever he needs to sort
Equally that Retirement tax or whatever he needs to sort
Sunak lied last night. Labour need to raise this.
This is the problem with soundbite headlines, they don’t tell the full story.
im not a huge Ed Davey fan, but laying the blame for austerity at his door is far fetched to say the least.
and what of the current PM and Labour leader?
What have their actions or inactions led to? The slaughter of innocent Palestinians.
I know who I’d rather be associated with, ta
It didn’t really say all that much. The question was short and the answer curtailed.
‘In a third country’ would allow for asylum applications being unertaken in Calais, as an easy example.
At no point did it suggest that we would remove people here, send them to a third country, and process from there.
It was a joke of a debate. ITV won’t get another for a while I hope.
It was also not new. They have said for a while they would consider processing. Just not Rwanda style resettlement.
That's just politicians being politicians. He could 'consider' firing them at the moon, doesn't mean he's going to do it. They know it's a popular policy with with some portions of the electorate so saying an outright yes or no backs him into a corner.
PR would be even worse for them and the country. They would get less MPs than Reform. Imagine those lunatics in parliament.
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Lib Dems are the reason why we're in this mess. They sold their soul for a chance of a PR referendum which they lost anyway.
They propped up David Cameron who shafted them royally, inflicted austerity, decimated public services, killed the Lib Dem manifesto pledge for no tuition fees therefore destroying their student base, and used a EU referendum EU as a bargaining chip to get an outright majority and kick them to the kerb.
So yeah those Tories in yellow jackets are the reason for austerity and Brexit.
As I said above your post, they absolutely have to but Starmer's stammering over it was a bad look. A lot of 'light' news people won't see or care about this now, they'll have seen the debate and believe it.
For it to really cancel out the the impact, Labour have to come heavy on it but I doubt they will. Starmer will think saying the lied once is enough - he gives the public too much credit
His answer wasn't very clear and whilst it's obvious to those following current events I'm not sure it would have been clear to all.
It's one of his issues he's quite technical in his phrasing and he isn't very good at clear punchy lines. He has to reshape the question better.
Not that it matters, his lead is such that he just needs to not feck up.
Sad to see politics reduced to almost internet bloodsports level debating.
Half expecting the next election to be fought between two blokes calling each other homophobic slurs screaming at each other while a 'moderator' laughs and reads out offensive super chats.
I guess Liz Truss is lighting the way by reaching out to that part of the internet
utter hogwash. I will repeat, that blaming the Lib Dem’s for the state of the country is disingenuous at best.
I would remind you that quite a lot has happened since that coalition government!
Who do you support?
Labour and the Conservatives have both been at fault for poor opposition and very poor decisions respectively since then.
We’ve reached stage two on Labour immigration policy where labour voters say it’s technically not the same as the tories while also ignoring Starmer calling Sunak “the most liberal prime minister we've ever had on immigration" .
Stage three will be the same people saying the policy is not something they personally agree with but Labour need to do it because polls well with the public.
Stage three will be the same people saying the policy is not something they personally agree with but Labour need to do it because polls well with the public.
Best case scenario is a Labour/Lib Dem coalition which Lib Dem’s demand electoral reform if Starmer wants to form a government. Obviously they would just fold and demand nothing though.
Yeah sounds about right. Not happening though, this country likes to vote a winner.
Honestly surprised it got that many.
It is technically and substantively different. Immigration numbers are the highest they have ever been (I believe). If the Conservatives cast that as a bad thing then there is no reason not to bring their record up.
Many people will not agree with all the policies of their favoured candidate but acknowledge that others may hold different views.
Saved you the time and got straight to stage 3 for you.
Let's just do some very simple calculations on PR based on latest polls and we won't account for local parties of Scotland Wales or NI:
Reform UK 96 MP
Lib Dems 68 MP
Torys 159 MP
Labour 285 MP
Green 42 MP
Can you imagine 96 Reform MPs having a daily fecking platform on every panel show and newspaper, peddling their bollocks for people to believe. They would become a majority by the next term. Its how the rise of the Nazis progressed in Germany election by election.
A hung parliament means the people will get shafted from dodgy backroom deals. Lib Dems fecked the country for a chance at PR. DUP fecked the country for a few quid and it will be on and on and on and on like this with every hung parliament. The country will get fecked for people to get a deal. When you have one party control then you know what you are voting for, its one clear direction. In PR you vote Nick Clegg and you get David Cameron. You can vote Sunak and get Farage.
Its not disingenuous at all. Nick Clegg had an offer to support Brown form a government and he declined. He instead allowed the Conservatives to get a foot in the door and the rest is history.
Three things:
1. I can imagine it, because they already get a massive platform with zero MPs
2. The state of the Tory MPs in recent years hasn't been far off reform MPs anyway.
3. In your example we'd likely have a Lab-Lib coalition government
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