Doubt it's going to happen but Starmer needs to grow a set for the next debate or else he's going to fumble this, Rishi is basically chucking shit at him for an hour in the hope something sticks, got lucky and managed to nail it with unknown tax increase.
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I think that was about 50/50, maybe Sunak shaded it. But both were awful and I don’t think that will change many people’s minds. Starmer needs to improve heavily.
Starmer is a bit of a wet lettuce isn’t he, a competent leader would bury this government without breaking sweat but he’s such a dilly dally he somehow comes across worse than Will McKenzie’s robot uncle in these formats.
Missed this. I guess this is the new third way
Presumably the manifestos will be published soon.
The only thing we learnt tonight is that Sunak and Starmer should have never become politicians and that Starmer used to be DPP and his father was a toolmaker - never knew this.
How the future of the UK is going to improve - absolutely no idea.
The only thing we learnt tonight is that Sunak and Starmer should have never become politicians and that Starmer used to be DPP and his father was a toolmaker - never knew this.
How the future of the UK is going to improve - absolutely no idea.
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Exactly this.
Both of them have no ideas tbf.
Two rich twats talking shit and shouting over each other for an hour.
Sunak won his debates against the lettuce but look how that went for him
What did you expect when they binned other parties from participating? The salivation over American style politics is a cancer.
Most telling point where Sunack says (righty) "You don't have any ideas" and Stammer responds (rightly) "You've been empower 14 years and don't want to talk about them".
A choice between a government who has been F'ing things up for 14 years and government with no ideas how to make things better.
And this Is why I moved to New Zealand.
A choice between a government who has been F'ing things up for 14 years and government with no ideas how to make things better.
And this Is why I moved to New Zealand.
Our very own giant douche vs turd sandwich.
I agree with this. I live in the constituency and over the past 10 years there's been a massive change in the demographic. More ethnic minorities and gentrification with young families.
IDS core support more likely to have left to more suburban parts of Essex or died off
The moderator was shit as well. Need someone stronger in the role.
Why do Labour need big ideas? I just want them to run things competently without corruption. Clean water, better NHS funding, rinsing rich people, lower energy prices, that sort of thing....maybe a special investigation and government committee on Man City cheating.
The problem now is - how many folk were planning to vote Labour due to the Tories being utter shite, but they'd never actually heard Starmer talk until tonight. And now they're thinking "oh hell, he's terrible as well" and will change their vote.
There's no way that Rishi picks up votes - everyone already knows he's a cnut. But Labour losing some is a possibility if Starmer keeps this level up with the next debates (and we might even have another Clegg moment where folk are impressed by a third party leader).
Yeah everyone else wants those sort of things and Labour has made absolutely zero promises to even try to deliver them.
Hey, I don't publicly criticise YOUR sex life so quit it.
Not asking for much then
Don’t worry, they’ll pivot or something.
Realistically that has been Stammer's approach as leader of Labour, criticize everything the tories do while offering no alternatives. Thats what he did in the pandemic, what he is doing in the election and what he did in the debate. It works because the tories as such a bunch of corrupt ***** but not exactly reassuring that he has any ideas how to lead a county.
Sunak smashed it tbf. The takeaway is that he’s going to tax everyone £2000 more and kick pensioners to death.
He was awful and rude. But he won.
He was awful and rude. But he won.
He didn't win, he was preaching to the converted, the people waiting for a soundbite to repeat. "You see Margret he's gonna take £2000 off us, I told you!" These aren't the people voting for Starmer, they're Kippers, that's who he's trying to win over.
What did we learn from that debate?
That there is a dearth of political talent in this country, that there is no progressive thinking, and politics is still just a case of one-upmanship that leads us nowhere.
From Sunak constantly shouting about £2000 worth of higher taxes under Labour to Starmer claiming he has a plan but never giving any details of that plan, this election will come down to who the public feels mirrors their own needs or beliefs.
That is why I’m voting Lib Dem, because they can’t do a worse job than these two.
That there is a dearth of political talent in this country, that there is no progressive thinking, and politics is still just a case of one-upmanship that leads us nowhere.
From Sunak constantly shouting about £2000 worth of higher taxes under Labour to Starmer claiming he has a plan but never giving any details of that plan, this election will come down to who the public feels mirrors their own needs or beliefs.
That is why I’m voting Lib Dem, because they can’t do a worse job than these two.
Oh and they both deserve all the criticism and crap they are getting for their stance on Gaza.
absolute disgrace the pair of them, with their pockets lined by Israeli lobby money.
absolute disgrace the pair of them, with their pockets lined by Israeli lobby money.
That is what the format is intended to do. There are two men who would be -extremely- lucky to be backbenchers in any other period of politics. The kind that retire after 30 years and everyone goes 'who'.
They are not leaders. To weak, no vision. I can see why they kept galloway out of it. He is many things, and some of his ideas are rank, but hes a true heavywieght of a politician and a great orator. He'd wipe the floor with them. To be fair, farage would too.
I'd quite like it if Starmer grew a pair and said the boomers fecked it for us all so they're going to be the ones paying to bail us out.
Tonight demonstrated the main concern, the more people see of Starmer the worse they'll view him. The Tory attack that Labour don't have a plan will stick unless the party actually start to give something of substance.
I agree, i don't think it is going to swing the election as with everything in the 21st centaury people people have already made up there minds. But I suppose Sunak at least showed he had ideas and appealed to the aging conservatives base. While Stammer was just there and will probably just win the election based on the fact he isn't the tories.
All though I would say im not against taxing pensioners.
I never understood people who threw away their vote (unless Lib Dems are in with a chance in your area...)
I dont think its a worry. I think Stammer could not release a manifesto and still win the election just based on the idea that tories have been empower for 14 years and and the country is in a mess. (I mean the country was in a mess when they took over but its only got worse).
The worry is, is there any hope at all for things to improve with a labour government that has offered no real alternatives to tory polices ... probably not.
it’s a misconception that voting Lib Dem is throwing a vote away. As opposed to voting for tories or labour as if that vote is sacred somehow?
and yes the close competitor in my area to the incumbent Tory MP is a Lib Dem
Considering that if the polls are right and we have a historic landslide, maybe 20% of total seats change hands. Most votes are wasted. Our voting system sucks.
Let me just stop you for a second. I'd like it if my missus gave me a pass to run through Scarlett Johansson but that is never happening either.
I've no doubt that Sunak and Starmer are cnuts - Sunak is too thick to be anything other than a cnut - but Starmer is a weedy little cnut. And I don't mean the good kind of cnut. I mean an actual cnut.
Apologies to the cnuts who are offended by the word cnut but @Sweet Square will confirm that it's the most flexible word in the language we use up here. He's a gid cnut, that Sweet Square.
The was a complete waste of time, probably ends up being 50-50 roughly overall and will have zero impact on people’s perception of either party
Yep, optics are everything and unfortunately Starmer somehow hasn't got the ability to beat a pompous lying elitist. I thought lawyers were meant to be good at this sort of thing?
Granted, the host was terrible as well but that was always going to be the case.
99% of politicians are cnuts and are only in it to feather their nests.
Learned that a very long time ago.
cnuts.
I have always voted tactically in a GE. Such is the FPTP system that you have no real choice. If I was in your area I would vote the Torys in yellow jackets too.
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