Great post. The Tories have dragged politics and this country down into the gutter and I'm glad that they're now left with just a handful of useless twats.
General Election 2024
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It's one of the most positive things I've seen all day. Great move.
Glad people are calling this out
I guess it gives the Corbynistas another excuse to avoid thinking about why they lost, so I can see why it must seem like an important statistic.
Definitely went Green
I am trying to find out, but cant fibd the data, i suspect right. I wish not.
Starting to think you are a wum at this point
Ideologically the Tories are a lot more into to the idea that everything can be solved by parachuting in an overpaid management consultant with no specific experience whose main role is to squeeze as much money out of it for themselves..
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He’s certainly something.
Mate, the wums are the people trying to downplay one of the all time great labour election successes on the actual day it happened. FFS.
Job has gone to a human rights barrister called Richard Hermer, mate of Keir, who also seems to be pro-Palestine (or at the least supportive of an end to the conflict), if a very lazy Google search is anything to go by. Means bugger all for his role I guess but interesting considering the stance that Labour have sometimes taken recently.
The arson is heading up the fire department
We like to blast the Yanks’ electoral college but something is wrong when you can win a landslide with a third of the vote. Thats wrong.
I know little about politics, but that Darren Jones always comes across a decent lad. Wouldn't mind seeing him in front of Kier when he gets ousted
Look at the next tweet. 22% went for Reform and Tory’s combined. 65% to Labour, Green, LD. 10% to other, which will be independents, SNP etc.
I’d love to know how many of those young Reform voters ever bothered paying attention to politics prior to Farage announcing.
The gall of the man, posting about the general election in the general election thread. He should keep that sort of thing to the general election thread.
It's a stat posted, let's face it, to make some kind of point about the comparative virtues of you know who, although one which largely eludes me. Hard not to laugh at the cheek on the day of one of the great labour victories.
Edit: or maybe I'm getting too cynical in my old age. Probably time to pay more attention to footy and less to the election for the rest of the day.
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It's obvious to see why the SNP vote collapsed.
There last 3 leaders left under a cloud.
There last 3 leaders left under a cloud.
Strange way to word the question, should have been if reform didn't exist, who would you have voted for.
Scandinavia is always used in these types of discussion. Norway is sitting on a trillion dollar oil fund and Sweden is falling apart by most accounts. Neither are good examples and no Scandi country is close to the scale of the UK.
I'm yet to see a successful, comparable example of a semi recent socialist government. It always goes downhill one way or another.
Left wing policies are not the same thing as left wing politics. The odd policy works, all of it together doesn't.
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So much for being given a smaller brief.
The 25% that said they didn't consider voting for another party are just assumed to be non-voters, with that wording.
As you say, strange wording, as GEs are not about second choices.
Farage says he's targeting Labour voters now.
Looking at the share of the votes, aren't the people voting for Reform those Labour voters who voted for Boris last time around?
Looking at the share of the votes, aren't the people voting for Reform those Labour voters who voted for Boris last time around?
I can't embed the tiktok video, but did anyone see Steve Bakers live meltdown?
Just for balance and to avoid the idea you are an agenda poster,
Do you want to put the number of people who voted conservative in those elections. So we can see if for every extra vote gained by JC he also motivates more voters to vote conservative?
Is this an "it always rains in Scotland" joke?
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IMO the main goals entering this election were:
1) Get the Tories out of power (Done)
2) Remove as much Tories as possible (Done)
3) Don't let too many of those other guys into de HoC in the process (Done)
4) If possible leave Tories in third place so they aren't main opposition (it was probably a one in a million chance anyway)
So 3 out of 4 looks like a really succesful election. Now onto the trends:
1) Get the Tories out of power (Done)
2) Remove as much Tories as possible (Done)
3) Don't let too many of those other guys into de HoC in the process (Done)
4) If possible leave Tories in third place so they aren't main opposition (it was probably a one in a million chance anyway)
So 3 out of 4 looks like a really succesful election. Now onto the trends:
- The Tories got 14M votes last election. Now Tories+Reform got 11M votes total. The right wing got 3M votes less than in 2019, which is coincidentally the reduction in turnout.
- Most of the other Big/median parties got less votes than last time: Labour 0,6M (10,3 to 9,7), Lib Dems 0,2M (3,7 to 3,5), SNP 0,5M (1,2 to 0,7). The only exception were Greens who won 1M votes (0,8 to 1,8). So there's a strong possibility that A) a lot of Labour and Lib Dem votes went Green this time and B) both parties were able to reduce the impact a little by capitalizing on the SNP's collapse.
- The aforementioned changes in voting didn't translate into seats: Reform got 14% of the votes but 0,7% of the seats. Greens got 6,4% and 0,5% respectively. Meanwhile Labour got 34% of the votes but 63% of the votes (Tories 24% and 19%, LD 12% and 11%, SNP 2,5% and 1,5%). This is pretty terrible for representative democracy and a good argument for PR instead of FPTP (even if in this case -and in most elections- would result in a hung parlament with Reform getting better participation). Another way of seeing it is how many votes in average did a party got per seat won:
- Labour: 23.596
- Tories: 56.405
- Lib Dems: 48.625
- SNP: 78.778
- Greens: 460.500
- Reform: 822.800
Just let Starmer gerronwivit
They could be if transferable preferential voting was adopted. It would be an interesting exercise to do a large scale test in some highly contested electorates to see what the results would be.
IDS would have lost and seats where Labor, Greens and Lib Dems took votes from each other may have changed hands but Labor may well have lost a swathe of seats when Tory and Reform voters would predominantly preferenced each other over labor.
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Has there ever been a socialist government in the UK?
Yet the Tories have spent 14 years trying to get rid of every last one of them. And as employment reduces and the environment gets worse and worse we need more government led action, not less.
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