Can't watch without a tiktok account. But does he mention his book he's been writing?
General Election 2024
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Can't watch without a tiktok account. But does he mention his book he's been writing?
What's the difference?
9% of people who voted Reform are claiming they would have voted for pro-EU party the Lib Dem’s, and 7% green. Just shows how fecking thick they are, they clearly don’t have a clue what they’re doing.
Apart from skirting over the dismal election campaign under Sunak and Truss’ terrible tenure, thought he brought up a number of salient points…particularly around why he got into politics in the first place, to the derision of the interchangeable people on the panel (who all seem stuck on short-term thinking).
I do not have the numbers, but guessing from your post he pushed more voters to vote conservative and I will take your word on that. But also being a socialist is tough, it will repulse many voters. Burney Sanders in the US is a similar example. Socialists can make it only in few countries for example in Scandinavia.
But you can't call them fecking thick, you have to 'understand their concerns' or something.
Firstly, everyone with an opinion is an 'agenda poster'. Secondly, you'll need to acknowledge that in the previous two general elections, Brexit was the key motivator for Conservatives and in in 2019 Farage stood all of his party's candidates down in Tory seats in order not to split the vote on that singular issue in those constituencies.
Ignoring those factors is disingenuous at best.
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I despise Reform and Nigel fecking Farage as much as the next guy, they and most of his voters are just a bunch of thickos and bigots, but it's absolutely bonkers that a party has a votes per seat ratio 4000% higher than another.
Great analysis of election results here.
I'm surprised you're not on GB News with this level of discussion.
It's hilarious how rattled they are by any claim that counters it as a great Labour victory, add Corbyn and they're stomping at the keyboard red faced.
From people who told us it's all about power nonetheless, Labour have now got power yet they still get triggered
I actually think the rest of us are enjoying the victory more than that lot because they're so angry at others claiming it wasn't all down to Starmer's greatness.
It's hilarious how rattled they are by any claim that counters it as a great Labour victory, add Corbyn and they're stomping at the keyboard red faced.
From people who told us it's all about power nonetheless, Labour have now got power yet they still get triggered
I actually think the rest of us are enjoying the victory more than that lot because they're so angry at others claiming it wasn't all down to Starmer's greatness.
Well it’s not about any claim, since the results came out the majority of the posts in this thread have been putting down the Labour win one way or the other. It’s absolutely insane that a party that went from less than 200 seats to 410 is getting so much criticism and doomsday scenarios about their future even without having been in power for 24 hours yet
This idea oh how triggered people are is just completely impossible to argue against because I could easily say that you are just as triggered about the responses from the other side
It's hilarious how rattled they are by any claim that counters it as a great Labour victory, add Corbyn and they're stomping at the keyboard red faced.
From people who told us it's all about power nonetheless, Labour have now got power yet they still get triggered
I actually think the rest of us are enjoying the victory more than that lot because they're so angry at others claiming it wasn't all down to Starmer's greatness.
You're rattled
Unless this is a completely different guy with the same name it does seem to be true(According to the parliament uk site)Hermer gave Starmer leadership campaign £5,000 back in 2020
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Or it's a very good choice given his qualifications and experience
It's hilarious how rattled they are by any claim that counters it as a great Labour victory, add Corbyn and they're stomping at the keyboard red faced.
From people who told us it's all about power nonetheless, Labour have now got power yet they still get triggered
I actually think the rest of us are enjoying the victory more than that lot because they're so angry at others claiming it wasn't all down to Starmer's greatness.
, this, exactly.Literally all the statistics point to it being in spite of Starmer.It's hilarious how rattled they are by any claim that counters it as a great Labour victory, add Corbyn and they're stomping at the keyboard red faced.
From people who told us it's all about power nonetheless, Labour have now got power yet they still get triggered
I actually think the rest of us are enjoying the victory more than that lot because they're so angry at others claiming it wasn't all down to Starmer's greatness.
Those giddy about the huge majority and win are ignoring the clear subtext of the election which is the rise of the far right.
The concern we have is that this is a Labour Party which is promising absolutely nothing. They want to run the country properly again apparently and that means austerity. The problem with that is that they might well get the country in better shape financially but they are talking about it being a decade long project. If people in 5 years time are not feeling better off, then all the Tory bullshit that has gone before then will be forgotten and next election they will be wiped out by the promise of harsh immigration laws and huge tax cuts taking advantage of the recovering economy with Reform either growing in numbers or merged with the Tory party in one shape or another and we have seen in this election what effect a tiny percentage shift either way can have on she makeup of parliament so imagine if there is a shift back to the Tories and Reform grow in parallel - some sort of far right coalition is in my opinion actually the likely scenario in 5 years and not some worst case scenario.
The problem is that Labour are going to continue to court the centre right and right and this election has already proven that is a pointless task. If you look at the numbers, they gained nothing whatsoever, Reform picked up those voters. They didn’t win the election because they attracted the centre and centre right, there was no shift in their direction, they actually lost voters and purely benefitted from circumstances and the rise of Reform splitting the vote on the right.
In 5 years time, they cannot be campaigning on the how much better off the country is, they need to be able to campaign on how much better off the public is because if they are saying the books are balanced and it’s time for tax cuts and public spending then their opposition will say thank you very much for sorting that out now we can offer bigger tax cuts and better public spending.
So in short the reason myself and many others in this thread are so down on this election despite a huge Labour majority it’s because A. They are promising nothing and B. It feels absolutely inevitable that in 5 years time a Farage led right wing is going to romp to an even bigger majority and that is terrifying because by that time the right is going to have already gained a foothold in many other western countries and the diminishment of human rights will already been on its way to being normalised. It may sound like hyperbole but I think we are sitting on the precipice of a very dangerous period in human history - climate change driven immigration mixing with far right governments is a potentially cataclysmic.
Don't think it's this at all. Some people in this thread are actively trying to discredit the victory in anyway they can, spin any bit of data in anyway they can.It's hilarious how rattled they are by any claim that counters it as a great Labour victory, add Corbyn and they're stomping at the keyboard red faced.
From people who told us it's all about power nonetheless, Labour have now got power yet they still get triggered
I actually think the rest of us are enjoying the victory more than that lot because they're so angry at others claiming it wasn't all down to Starmer's greatness.
A policy here and there vs the entire focus of government being left wing. Left wing policies generally cost money to benefit the people. No bad thing but unless you're sitting on top of an oil field it can't all be that way, it has to be paid for somehow.
Starmer at least seems to get that. A few daft policies to appease various factions but no sign of anything too major so far. After the last few years stability is the most important thing.
And some of us were saying that this was the strategy in the weeks before election day.
If people were paying attention there was a lot of emphasis on vote efficiency and tactical voting in the run up.
The Labour party were being inoffensive to middle England so as not to motivate the right to unite, and allow the anti-Tory sentiment and activist coordination and their organisation to carry them to massive majority. I keep saying, they bet the house on it and are now seeing the benefits.
Obviously that strategy cannot work in 5 years and they need to form an effective government because in the UK governments lose elections and oppositions need to be a likely and credible alternative
It's true that Labour has had a whopping win, it's also true that the foundations of that win seem shakier than the headline seat number suggests.
Sooooo… what do you want from an incoming government, exactly? A stronger economy but must be done within five years. A solution to climate driven immigration that won’t make people affected by it vote for parties who promise to stop it. Without, presumably, actually stopping it. And to be electable. In a way that Corbyn evidently wasn’t.
Seems fairly straightforward. Who is this amazing party and when can you vote for them?
I think they need to read the room. People are leaning towards Farage because he’s offering them simple solutions to complex issues. Anyone with half a brain can see that his solutions are not practical and for the most part not ethical either. But what people want is hope, they want their own personal circumstances to improve and if Labour cannot in 5 years say that they have achieved that then they are toast and all their work saving the economy is for nothing.
So as I said if they spend the next 5 years getting the books in order, your average voter is not is going to credit them with that and vote for them again in 5 years if they personally have not seen any benefit of it. All they are doing is providing every other party with a foundation for their manifesto. They need to address real issues from day one that have a tangible impact on people’s lives. Childcare, rent control, affordable housing, investment in the NHS, public transport and other infrastructure. The country is falling apart at the seams, if it’s still falling apart at the seams in 5 years but the money is available to fix it they will be annihilated at the next election.
It’s all well and good being the sensible party, the adults back in the room, but it genuinely means feck all if it’s just a 5 year break from chaos and only results in more extreme chaos further down the line.
Yeah, agreed. So why not wait and see what they do about all the stuff in bold, instead of repeatedly pointing out that they didn’t really deserve the massive landslide victory they just won? Because they can’t do any of the above as an opposition party.
Why is it upsetting you so much? We are being frank with our opinions and fears. Feel free to be more optimistic but it’s a bit weird trying to shut down others who are sharing more pessimistic predictions because it’s, what? Killing your buzz a bit?
I’d rather have my genuine thoughts on the record so in a few years time I can see if my fears were justified or unfounded.
That is not possible, farage can't come close to a majority.
I would say Starmer just had to not feck things up, and show some basic reasonable improvements and get will get re-elected.
Yet history shows the opposite, where right wing policies cost a lot more money with nothing gained.
I think his approach of dealing with refugees by funding the system more is by far the best approach.
Well there is nothing you can do with such an immature electorate, you might as well give up now.
Or… you have to be politically astute. They should be looking at the actual vote numbers and be as concerned as we are and not rest on their laurels. They need to tangibly improve people’s quality of life because achievements that are intangible or abstract to people like “reducing national debt vs GDP” mean absolutely feck all to someone that was struggling to get by in 2024 and is struggling to get by in 2029.
Yes that's the world of a child, you want things and you want things now. Short-termism, it's maybe the worst thing about this country, it's one of the biggest reasons why our country is in such a bad shape. Adults need to think long term and consequences.
Jesus Christ, cannot believe I mostly agree with you. I feel bad.
In general, I am all for a balanced budget and think that spending insanely is not a good strategy. But if Labour are talking for a decade long project, it probably should be the other way around. Spend some decent of money now (of course that means increasing the borrowing), not continue the austerity measures. That should have people in better situation in 5 years and the money injection should improve the economy and increase the GDP. Then in the second mandate balance the budget and try to lower the public debt.
A less corrupt and far more professional version of Tories is good only if the country is already in a very good shape. But the UK economy likely cannot be fixed by that.
Let’s see though. 5 years is a long time and Labour has a massive majority. If they fail, it is completely their fault.
The ironic thing is that your perceived maturity is actually nothing but naivety. The general public if you haven’t noticed are for the most part, quite childish, quite shortsighted and quite frankly quite thick.
There’s no weighting in elections, your vote doesn’t count double if you’re a deep thinker. That is the electorate Labour have to attract if they want a second term and to fend off the far right.
I wasn't calling you immature, just to be clear, I was saying the electorate is. So the country is doomed and the electorate is to blame.
People should be careful of making any claim to being politically astute. Opinions are fine and all.
Who said anything about right wing policies being the answer either? Both extremes are there to soak up the nutters on either end of the spectrum and render their votes useless. The sensible policies sit somewhere around the centre to centre right i.e capitalism and that's where Labour have finally woken up.
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They actually don't though, stability comes from the (economic) centre left, inequality and environmental damage come from the centre right. As we have adequately demonstrated since the 70s now, and then worsened in the last 16 years by lurching ever more right.
Well, I for one am happy labour won, and I voted for them. Can you say the same?
Yes, that's the problem in giving such people the vote....we never learn do we?
Early on in the industrial revolution it was necessary to teach the workers how to read so they could understand written instructions on how to operate machinery, then the stupid sods went off and read other things such as Karl Marx.... and thought about their own revolution.... but thankfully the majority couldn't really understand Marx.... thankful for small mercies eh?
Killing my buzz?!
Other than being delighted to see the end of the utter shit heads doing their best to undo an Irish peace process I waited my whole life for, I genuinely don’t care if it was Labour, the Lib Dems or the Greens who took their place. To be honest, I don’t even give much of a feck how well Britain does under this, or any other government.
I honestly came to this thread hoping to join in a bit of “ding dong, the witch is dead” vibes. Seeing so much moaning about an objectively great result has triggered me slightly. But only the argumentative part of me. At an emotional level I’m pretty disengaged, believe me.
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