You're absolutely right, the problem goes far deeper but being able to choose outside of a giant douche and a turd sandwich would be a good start.
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On the other hand, it is deeply anti-democratic and almost ensures that only two party matter.
Yep. Joint 7th biggest party - and I'm sure that the media will give them the level of publicity that they warrant...
If you listen carefully you can hear the world's smallest violin playing.
Is that the one from Rise and Fall on C4?
What a clown. Imagine publicly complaining about being scared because you can no longer (you still can) be a horrible bigoted, classist, toe rag.
If you read the Labour 'manifesto' you would think so.
She was on a channel 4 fairly recently. Thick as mince.
Fecking nerve to play a victim when the party she loved so much will cause division for actual vulnerable people.
Yes. She's a shameless attention whore who posts vile tweets and then cries wolf. Similar to Darren Grimes.
Yes.
the ultimate 'cry me a river'.
Get used to it you fascist prick. Let’s see how long you last.
I can’t stand the pair of them. Fecking wankers.
I'd say what the GOP used to be would be more accurate, pre-MAGA, the 'clumsy parallels' are pretty accurate actually
We already had a referendum on First Past The Post in 2011, and it wasn't even a close result. 63% chose to maintain the status quo. I'm sorry but you don't tell the Scots that they can't have another go, when the Independence side lost by a lesser margin, and then say it's cool to have another referendum on how we all vote purely because Nigel thinks it'll help him.
Christ he's a melt. How are people so enamoured with such a juvenile twat of a man?
I say run them both back.
From what I remember (and I could be wrong here) but many didn't seem to really understand this vote
They're a double edged sword. Ideally no one would be stupid enough to vote for them, but them splitting the idiot vote does stop either of the big two parties pandering to the xenophobic racists. More specifically it stopped the tories from doing so out of desperation. Unfortunately you also get side effects like this or Farage being an MP.
This is all still just part of the fallout from the country being dumb enough to make Boris PM, and Boris subsequently filling his government with the thickest people in politics because they were the only ones without the sense to try and immediately turf him out.
Great example of a terribly uninformed and lazy post
I feel the longer Farage is exposed to the British public the more criticism and ire he will start to attract. He just doesn't have that broad appeal to offset the scandals that surround him and will start to emerge over the next few years. Over time, even the most enamoured Reform voter will turn on him.
I remember knowing what the systems both entailed and still being confused with how the media were describing them. It was almost as if they really didn't want it to be explained properly incase they changed people's opinions, or even showed them how important such a vote was.
And this is a great example of a snidey response that doesn't even attempt to engage with the original poster, written by someone who has built up a reputation as a terrible poster on this forum throughout the years
Given this I'm not sure I understand why you would be against such a referendum
Happy to engage more once you've attained a modicum of understanding on the subject
You say that because it is one of the only ways we have to influence politics every now and again. But that doesn't have to be the case. FPTP has a useful stabilising function. I wonder if there is a way to retain that, while increasing democracy in other ways/areas.
That's what he says, but I imagine he'll go for those disaffected voters that didn't bother turning out.
Hopefully, just like Johnson.
I say we have a vote to see if the UK want to get rid of Scotland.
[scene - job interview]
"So Sophie looking at your CV I can see you....[checks notes] helped create the most unsuccessful election campaign in history....What will you bring to THIS role?"
Would be too difficult, he would have to actually come up with some seriously good policies and give a shit about someone other than himself
And don't come back, you thieving, gaslighting cnuts.
It's not really a happy thread this is it given we've just smashed the Tories? Says a lot about the current landscape I feel but let's look for the positives and hope that more representation from the Lib Dems, Greens, and even Reform can be a good thing for solving the problems successive governments have created over recent decades.
That's a very optimistic view.
The alternative is that those two parties just brought in almost 11 million votes between them. Over a million more than Labour. It's on a knife edge between them being screwed and us being screwed.
Just looking at Twitter, someone made the point that if you add the 166 seats where the reform vote > tory vote, to the tory total of 121 seats, you still don't get a majority. The Tories have to find a way to heal the split on their right, in such a way that doesn't put off the labour moderates they will need to win. Good luck with that!
edit: and of course, not every reform vote would go to the Tories anyway, so even the above is a theoretical maximum.
It's not optimistic. It's in the FPTP maths - see my other post above. Reform + Tory is a limit, not a launchpad. (and you can't just add up all the votes like that, Reform aren't all Tory switchers).
Steve Baker in his ITV interview this morning....
Farage is a cnut. It's scary the votes reform has got.
That said during this campaign Farage and his ilk got out there and did campaigning etc.
All I saw of Ed Davey was him bungy jumping and having a bit of a party.
Was speaking to someone about that's akin to Nick the brick and the monster raving looney party levels of campaigning.
I'm gutted the recognition Farage gets from media and the populace but Ed Davey can't be a serious politician?
That said during this campaign Farage and his ilk got out there and did campaigning etc.
All I saw of Ed Davey was him bungy jumping and having a bit of a party.
Was speaking to someone about that's akin to Nick the brick and the monster raving looney party levels of campaigning.
I'm gutted the recognition Farage gets from media and the populace but Ed Davey can't be a serious politician?
Regarding the voting system, last night showed that it is untenable. 34% of the vote translated into nearly two thirds of the seats. A broken system is still broken, even iif it produces the happy accident of keeping Reform at 4 seats and putting the Lib Dems on 70 with a similar vote share. The price of inaction will be increasing apathy and lower turnouts (resulting in more volatility and greater risks of cranks gaining influence). Ultimately it belongs to an age of two mass membership parties that now feels as anachronistic as rotten boroughs and Whigs.
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