Unfortunately, Reform is going to get a lot more airtime as a result of this. Sigh.
General Election 2024
- Thread starter altodevil
- Start date
- Status
He really is a nasty waste of afterbirth.
Yes, writing a thorough speech that goes beyond the usual one-issue bigoted soundbites aimed at an audience of mouth-frothing simpletons does require you to occasionally check over your notes.
Rwanda, government contract fraud, Boris Johnson, Jacob Reece Mog etc... flying pretty close to Trump to be honest
It's straight out of the Trump playbook. Hopefully there will be a concerted effort to disrupt every single press conference and event. I'll sign up for some of that.
Wes Streeting just slithered into No10
I just noticed that Bim lost as well. Lovely stuff.
So. UKIP took a big chunk out of the tories, so the Tories basically absorbed UKIP, expelled all their moderates, became a Brexity English nationalist party, and then just lost a big chunk to Reform, so the Tories are going to... absorb Reform, expel all their moderates? Become EVEN MORE of a Brexity English Nationalist party and then... what... win in 2029?
Oh, they are so screwed.
Oh, they are so screwed.
As I said earlier in the thread The UK normally votes for a left of centre majority. It's why I don't want Labour to drift too far right.
Yeah. I get that they got more vote share but like it or not that's the system and they weren't great at it. Greens got the exact same amount of seats and yet there's feck all about them. Embarrassing really.
Reform are the Trump-like faction. They secured something like 14% of the vote but only got 4 seats thankfully. The Tories are traditionally akin to what the GOP are in the US, whereas Labour are supposed to be ideological bedfellows of the Dems. Though its far more nuanced than that because of overton shifts. Starmer (the Labour leader and new Prime Minister) is more of a Biden than he is a Sanders, whereas Sunak (The Tory leader and outgoing Prime Minister) is akin to someone like DeSantis. They're clumsy parallels which no doubt many will disagree with here but I'm trying to paint a very simplified picture for context.
Nahh, still not nearly as bad as Trump. That guy is a full on fascist. Farage is to the left of fecking Trump.
Reform got more votes than LibDem....will they still push PR as hard?
I don't think we can condense it down as simply as that. Are the Greens and this current Labour party for instance compatible bedfellows? I'd say Starmer's Labour has more in common with moderate elements of the Tory party than he does with the Greens.
God knows what the Greens are. Are they NIMBY moderate tory conservationists? Hard core zero growth redistributionists? Hippy agitators? Disaffected socialists? Good luck making a coherent party out of that lot.
Mrs Balls into No10 to kneel before Sir Kier
I am over the moon to see the Tories gone they're awful, self serving pricks but, we've just watched a perfectly peaceful election and handover of power, no comparison to Trump at all.
From my interactions with them, they're mostly strident NIMBYs above all else.
Definitely, but it will be interesting to see whether the right leaning press pushes it and it gains traction.
FPTP preserves the Labour/Tory dichotomy. While the papers are flirting with Farage, I think they might prefer a Tory rebuild for 2029 and a return to the old alternating parties than a complete upheaval.
To be fair Starmer will do anything that gives him power. He has no ideology.
Probably and unfortunately correct. I suppose the only positive of that might be that we can expect it to throw the the Conservatives (the little of them that remains) into another existential crisis, the result of which will probably see them shifting way over to the right and electing a nutter like Braverman (or even Farage) as leader, ceding all the centre ground to Labour and likely guaranteeing them another defeat in 2029.
Edit, sorry, I see you've just made this exact same point above re UKIP (who got about the same number of votes in 2015 (3.88m) as Reform did yesterday).
More than a decade of politics has shown the first part of this tweet to be untrue.
I was speaking more in terms of their closeness to the right wing of politics.
Almost certainly Farage's next big campaign.
You make fun of this as much as you want but Keir didn't have an easy ride in his constituency. Nick the Incredible Flying Brick and Bobby 'Elmo' Smith accounted for a mammoth 181 votes.
That's being very kind to Starmer. He's a neo lib nutter who, like his ideological allies, has no problem lying and seeking out cultural battles to deflect away from the ongoing robbery of the working class.
The Tories won’t be in his sights anymore ….Farage will aim solely at Labour
I suppose one way to get net zero is to switch off all the electrics in the country, rather than build loads of zero emission capacity but I wish they'd be honest about it.
He already started with his press conference
Angela Rayner Levelling up Secretary and Deputy PM.
So, when do we think Farage begins the push for the Tory leadership...
Monday next week.
Limiting the influence of extremists like Farage is the exact strength of FPTP. I say we leave it well alone. if you are going to feck with the constitution at least do it holistically and carefully and not piecemeal, or we end up with more stuff like 51% non binding referenda forcing stupid results on ignorant people.
Last edited:
I've been advocating for changing it but have to admit it did us a solid here.
The issue wouldn't be quite as bad if people actually felt like their opinions were being heard.
This gem popped up on my feed.
I agree but I think that issue is bigger than the specifics of how we vote for parties every 5 or so years. The issue of representation is bigger than that, I think.
LibDems and Labour are more closely aligned now similar to when the SDP first broke away. Surely that's the way forward for both parties.
What exactly are the biggest differences between them?
What exactly are the biggest differences between them?
I believe she was one of the Tory campaign managers so no wonder she is feeling a bit vulnerable today, especially now with that epic blot on her CV.
The Liberal Democrats have tangible policies with a greater focus on the climate and nature crises, a desire to re-join the EU in some fashion, and support electoral reform.
There are huge differences.
- Status