True. There are upsides and downs to both system. Personally I’m not too pro FPTP or pro PR. PR is probably better as give people the sense at least that their vote is more meaningful.
Agree can’t see it happening. It’s never in the interest of the big party in FPTP system to discuss anything other voting system.
Charismatic in the eyes of morons then. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together can see straight through those con men.
And yet he won a few million votes. Fine, call them morons if you want, that doesn't solve the problem, and in fact makes things worse (as we saw from Trump and Le Pen). But easier calling people morons and racists and bigots than trying to prevent an inevitable big evil by actually providing something to those people rather than horseshit.
Not a bad idea considering how bad it is.
It's always hilarious watching centrists pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves on how smart they are, completely erasing this from their memories.
Not a gotcha but a word of warning that Ian Dunt deeply stupid.
I agree. It's a silly policy that has cost them.
Provide what though? These people have already proven they'd be more than willing to cut off their noses to spite their face. For them its all about immigration and they'll latch onto any policy platform that promises they don't have to run into people of colour on the street. Its why they rallied around Brexit (and stubbornly continuing to do so despite it being a disaster) and why the Reform platform is now appealling to them with this frivolous crusade on stopping the boats. With certain people there's no placating them unless you swoop to their level. I mean heck they even turned away from this horrific iteration of the Tory party.
There's more than a few million morons in Britain. If you're a moron and a nice person I've no issues, it is what it is. If you're a horrible, hateful moron, I'll call you exactly what you are. Anyone voting for Farage or Trump is not someone I want to share oxygen with.
That's how I see it too.
Or we could, you know, fund it and restructure it properly.
My favourite discussions on this forum are where leftists talk about how capitalism doesn't work, while completely ignoring the millions upon millions of people unprecedentedly lifted out of extreme poverty thanks to an unrelenting capitalist approach... in China.
At the time they were definitely considered 'radical' leftist initiatives that met a lot of criticisms from even centrists, it forced an Overton shift to make them core tenets of our society today. If you'd propose the same rights in somewhere like the Gulf States today you'd be condemned as a unwashed commie.
It's a discussion because people said left wing policies never work. Clearly they fecking do.
Again, this type of thinking, just increases the problem. It might give you self-virtue points, but they count for nothing when a younger version of Farage becomes PM in 10 years.
Yes, but not in a 'small government' way. Lots of central and forward planning.
I mean its a cherished institution by the vast majority of people in the country, especially considering the alternative is to condemn huge numbers of the population to choosing between going broke or dying.
I very much doubt that everybody voting for reform was a racist. 52% of the country voted for brexit, so over half the country is racist too?
I represent people like rimaldo who don't have any capital letters
