General Election 2024
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"Not having" workers' rights or universal care is a bit meaningless. Look at Greece bringing in a 6 day working week for example, look at the Tories having gutted workers' tribunals, zero hours contracts, NHS dentistry isn't free any more and hasn't been for years, various Tory ministers over the years have written books and articles about privatising it...
It doesn't all happen simultaneously but yes there are loads of "serious" parties around Europe working towards eroding all those things. Just like they've been steadily eroded in the US over recent decades too. If you don't fight for them, and in particular don't vote for them, just you wait and see how universal and basic they are.
Great news to wake up to, Green candidate kicking out the Labour MP in my area and Tories getting wiped out.
Starmer needs to be careful despite the big win there are a number of seats where the vote share has gone down by big margins (including his own) and some where they won by the skin of their teeth. If things don't change under his term i can see the Tories winning back the reform voters and the Labour voters who voted just to get rid of them. Can't say I'm optimistic given the pre election campaign he has run.
Starmer needs to be careful despite the big win there are a number of seats where the vote share has gone down by big margins (including his own) and some where they won by the skin of their teeth. If things don't change under his term i can see the Tories winning back the reform voters and the Labour voters who voted just to get rid of them. Can't say I'm optimistic given the pre election campaign he has run.
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Why is Revan allowed to quote and respond to Raven or vice versa? Why are they allowed to post immediately after each other? Why is this allowed?
It'll be neoliberalism that brings about fascism, not me calling fascists morons. How about we try and reduce inequality and stop getting caught up in culture wars that our centrist overlords love so much.
Dunno, it is the worst health system I've ever seen in my life, and I've lived in one of the poorest European countries in my first 22 years of my life. It is so bad that calling it a disaster is actually an understatement. Not sure how such a disaster can be fixed.
This could be a historic moment if you pulled out a podcast on him in response.
A lot of Reform's best results are in deprived, largely ignored ex-fishing towns on the east coast and other assorted post-industrial wastelands. There seems to be a large and growing working class element to their support.
I think many people need to accept that this is what this country really is, black and brown people have been saying it for decades.
This is a country built on racist institutions, and full of racists who would like to uphold them, including your family members, work colleagues, friends etc.
Maybe then we can look at change, but we can’t pretend it’s not true forever.
I actually think that the only ones who get caught in culture wars are the far left and far right voters.
Reducing the inequality would be very good, to be fair. Ideally by bringing the bottom up, not the upper-middle class down.
He got 'demolished' while winning more votes for Labour than they got yesterday.
Turnout was super low so I'm less concerned about the number of Reform votes now. What's concerning is the lack of energy people had to vote the Tory cnuts out but I guess that's on Starmer being so uninspiring.
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Starmer has 5 years to bleed their support away and all the pro-Gaza lot will be irrelevant next election too.
Always knew Pexbo and everyone he ever knew, loved and met was a massive fecking racist.
This is how the far right have always gained power. When the working people are ignored they look for someone to offer solutions. If the left can't and centrists won't, then the far right will inevitably rock up with snakeoil salesmen like farage.
Please remind me how many seats Labour running on socialist policies won. I am having some memory problems, but I do not think it was 414. Neither 314. Or 214 for that matter.
The term "centre right" in current discourse is also a moving target - it just changes by country rather than by period.
No, people had their own personal motivations for voting for Brexit, leftists too, though racism was a key motivator for a bulk of those that did. Reform too (maybe not so much the leftists), but if this unhinged version of the Tory party that houses bigots like Suella isn't enough for them, then you'd have to question what it is that drives them to reform. Because its definitely not their pie in the sky, bizarrely-costed manifesto.
Yeah, that's why Starmer has been hanging trans people out to dry and banging on about the small boats. Get serious please.
Yup. Listened to that one. They weren’t “shocked”. They didn’t “discover”. It was an explainer for people who might not know much about the background to the term. People like me. People who you might also incorrectly call “deeply stupid”.
Anyhoo, I have no interest in defending their integrity or intelligence (other than disagreeing with patently daft accusations of being “deeply stupid”) or even the quality of the podcast (it’s not great, maybe 6/10?) I literally only mentioned it to explain how I knew a bit about Starmer’s career before becoming a politician.
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Grifter Andrew Bridgen got trounced at his North Leicester seat last night as well. He'll be pumping the covid conspiracies further to help pay off his legal fees.
Larry the cat has seen it all before. Doesn't give a toss about the reporters and cameras.
Always a beautiful day when the DUP takes a battering.
The traditional role of the Tory party was to sweep up these votes and contain them within a moderating coalition. The question is less about why the left can't/centrists won't, but about why the Tories can't.
He's technically in charge during this interim period.
Labour have 5 years and a huge majority to bring in any sort of change they want. Lets see what they do. I fully expect Tory-lite policies - i hope to be proven wrong. In fact i'd love to be proven wrong.
Same. I can imagine them getting in their heads about not being re-elected if they go too far left, despite just getting in and having 4 years to do whatever they want.
he did admit to having a racist uncle in barnsley. and for all we know, he might be the nicest of the bunch.
Labour win in a landslide but looking at everything, you get the feeling the country has moved further to the right. Expect Tories to absorb Reform and Labour move further right. It's fecking depressing.
Christmas at his is like seeing the family at the end of Eden Lake, but even more inbred.
His nan once kicked me between the legs, asking where my pot of gold was.
Sadly that rules out great swathes of the British public. The same people who would vote Tory because 'Boris seems like a laugh and tells it like it is'.
I think a lot of people voted for reform because there fed up with the status quo. I didn't vote in this election because there doesn't seem to be anyone I trust in.
We will have a decade of Labour government, and when people get fed up with them it will be back to the tories again. Its just the same old shit.
That's awful some people are so ignorant. I hope you didn't give her any.
Is their anything in the manifesto that will in time win the support of reform voters?
Given Rachel Reeves is running a low spend budget I don't see how any policy will touch those areas.
5 years is a very long time though so if the world settles into less wars and an improving economic situation then maybe. These people don't tend to see the impacts of mild economic improvements though. Reform will easily be able to sell them a greener field.
It's funny because of the huge amount of ignorance you display about where those policies came from.
Hint: it wasn't the right.
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