Doesn't make what you said an indisputable fact.
General Election 2024
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Doesn't make what you said an indisputable fact.
I think we uncovered the roots of his unpopular stance re Gaza when this was being discussed in the other thread. He's inclined towards Israel because he is married to someone who is Jewish and is bringing two kids up in that faith. I do think he's wrong in his failure to condemn what is happening in Gaza. That's definitely a moral failing but this doesn't mean he doesn't have any moral integrity in other areas of his life. It also doesn't mean it's impossible for him to be a good person. He's just very wrong on one particular topic. But people can be complicated like that. As I only found out recently, Starmer's career before moving into politics was basically defined by having an extremely strong moral code. Dedicating huge chunks of his time to defending people in need, for no money. It's genuinely quite impressive.
Christ alive, you're tiresome. If @stepic is willing to come forward and tell me that they do actually have a law degree and a long career as a human rights lawyer then I'll happily withdraw that "certainty" comment. If not, you can feck off. Thanks.
Because traditionally, they have not worked. Is there a good example except the little Norway, whom wealth came primarily cause of oil, where such thing work?
And well, Corbyn had two shots at it. He went as left wing as you can legally go. He lost twice, getting demolished the second time around, while running against Boris fecking Johnson.
The amount of seats he has and so he can then pass legislation is the mandate he needs. That’s the FPTP voting system.
2 left to go. Basildon (dunno) and Skye (which seems like it should to go SNP).
It would still be the conservatives, they got 24% of the vote compared to reform's 14%
I really can't shake the belief that the UK is by default a centre right country and the only way to win power is to appeal to that part of the spectrum.
The left are too divided and more concerned with singular issues compared to the right.
The left are too divided and more concerned with singular issues compared to the right.
Pogue is listening to a podcast from this man
Is that supposed to be a gotcha? Those are his worst ever tweets?!?
When can we expect the final results?
My Constituency is a new one that took in all sorts of pockets from various boundaries, so whilst I wasn't sure how it would end up I really didn't believe Labour was going to get the win and they didn't. The elected MP of the former constituency has held his seat since before I was born and I fully expected Reform to pick up many of the Tory voters which they did. Labour gained less than 2k votes whilst reform got 10k.
Apparently one constituency will report tomorrow. I'm not sure why that long.
2 to be called, I'd say within the next hour unless they're very close and go to recounts.
Where is the post so we can continue the discussion?
If you can't locate it. I will try to answer here. Did I ever defend Qaddafi or say he was a good person? He was a dictator and that is enough to describe him. But even dictators have degrees of evil, he was not Saddam level evil.
Was it justified to ruin a country and hand it extremist islamist groups at the time?
Benghazi specifically had 3 different extremist islamist factions that took control of it after the civil war.
My stance on the legality of NATO involvement and destroying the country does not mean I support the Qaddafi regime. Was the Iraq war legally justified? No. Does that mean a horrible dictator like Saddam should stay? Also no.
We can take this discussion elsewhere.
Sunak in the rain again.
Her camouflage is pretty good
Is Sunak's wife auditioning for a Marvel role?
She looks like she's styled by Tim Burton.
Stepping down as leader as expected.
It's good to have reform in one sense, that the right wing vote is finally split. The centre/left have been split between the Lib Dems and Labour in England and the SNP/LD/Lab in Scotland. Now in this election, the Greens and Independents have been siphoning off the left wing votes as well.
You mean Labour are lucky that the vote on the right has been split for the first time ever? Labour have always bled votes to the Lib Dem’s, Greens, SNP. Conservatives don’t have a free hit anymore.
That's what a billion quid buys you
Yeah they got a few seats horribly wrong but overall an accurate prediction.
i like the arrows pointing down to her snatch.
"Kindless, decency and tolerance", the gall of this cnut.
Your leadership has been the absolute opposite.Have we ever seen the PM’s partner through their resignation speech? I don’t remember seeing that before, was incredibly distracting!
They won the most votes, lucky that FPTP gave then a massive majority of the back of it, but they still comfortably won the most votes. FPTP has given plenty of previous winners legs up aswell. It's the system, labour played it well so did the lib Dems. The Tory collapse gave them the opportunity, and they have they both taken it well.
Although overall there cute share is only marginally up from last election, there has been significant swings in some seats particularly where they have ousted Tories from long standing Tory seats. There muslim vote collapsed because of the Gaza situation but they have taken votes from Tories in traditional Tory strongholds to make up for it.
Basildon will get a lot of reform votes. Which will probably hand it to the Tories like it has done in other areas of Essex.
Where does Sunak stand on the list of worst prime ministers? Just ahead of Truss? Just ahead of Truss and Boris?
My town is now Labour, reform finished third.
Cameron has to be right up there, purely because of Brexit.
Mine switched from Tory to Labour. Lovely stuff.
Is that some great revelation? The whole world is that way. Left wing politics doesn't really work outside a classroom.
Based on recent history, that is quite right.
Can't wait for the true left wing policies to start.
Yeah, probably. Thing is, without Brexit he would be remembered easily as the best Tory PM this century, but the damage from that single decision (which he didn’t even support) is greater than that of any other PM. He also ruled so long compared to others.
Now for a total horror show, imagine Truss being PM for 6 years.
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