Was it Moyes out?
Gary Neville
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But that's the annoying thing with Nev (and the rest of the pundit circle) He really doesn't tell us anything we don't know or already suspected. Of course he has all the faux shock and outrage the same as Goldbridge does but has an entirely different platform to peddle it on. A good ten minutes to get to the conclusion that water is wet. He's the master of stating the glaringly obvious.
Where Nev let's himself down is the spiked comments about ETH, 'would he join after the Everton result, i'm not so sure' claptrap. Come on, pretty much all of us could see that this was another shit performance, shit result waiting to happen before a single ball was kicked. If we can see it, surely RR would see it as would ETH from overseas.
If Nev want's to get some credibility, have the courage of his convictions, out the mole in the dressing room. Out his employers at Sky for having gobshites like Goldbridge (Not his name, not a United Fan, Front for a media Company) as the considered voice of our fans.
Lifelong United fan that also made over 600 appearances for the club doesn't want to see us succeed. Ok then.
I did actually and there was no protest planned for the Norwich game before we lost to Everton. There was no thread about it in here until Saturday evening and no mention of it anywhere else, strange that, probably just a coincidence.
I presume you have evidence that the protest was planned before the Everton game? We wouldn't anyone accusing you of talking out of your arse now would we.
I was talking about your 2010 comment.
Yeah he's always saying it. He's got a few he shoe-horns in everywhere even if the meaning gets a little obscured. It's a bit of an occupational hazard I think.
Surely it's a better situation for Donny if ETH takes the job. Why would he be warning him off?
A player who, let it not be forgotten, was got rid of by ETH’s club, with absolutely no indication that they did so against the manager’s will.
Its a bit like Ole being made Chelsea manager and the press speculating that the first things he’ll do is make Lukaku captain and sign Fellaini.
Agree I don't think he would.
It's all done anyway. The new manager will have been sorted.
It's just Gary being overly negative as usual and fans who also tend to be overly negative jumping on board.
If Gary was offered a director of football type role at United on a million a year does anybody think he'd turn it down? No chance.
ETH in the process of making the biggest decision of his career - "You know this is a big opportunity for me so I'm not going to talk to someone who might have something negative to say about it".
Color me doubtful.
Bloody hell, if ETH listens to Neville or VdB and because of this decides against United then he wouldn’t really be the ideal candidate anyway.
He is not making his decision based on the opinion of a pundit or a player who can’t get a game for Everton.
He is not making his decision based on the opinion of a pundit or a player who can’t get a game for Everton.
It’s a bit like asking the guy who’s job it is to clean up the elefant shit at the zoo, if you should take up the zoo managers position.
Someone at the club must be leaking information to Neville. Not that it comes as a surprise! After the 1-1 draw against Leicester he spoke about how the build up of negative energy among the supporters could lead to an announcement about the next manager during the week. That opened up the flurry of unconfirmed reports about the club deciding on Ten Hag. The club hasn't made an official statement but if you're to believe the rumors talks have hit a 'snag' over Hag's apparent demands. Add the timing of the reported interest from Leipzig in credible outlets like the Express and the Times in the midst of Nevilles current speculations you'd have to think he may know something we don't.
Klopp decided United was not for him when Woodward pitched the club as an adult Disneyland
How this in itself is not a fireable offense was baffling. What kind of feckin pitch was that. Would any of you here accept an important position in a company that called themselves adult disneyland. What a fecking joke.
That as well
Which is clearly such a bollocks myth, Klopp has still never broken contract ever, and has stated many times he never will. When his Dortmund contract ran out, United had hired LvG just a year earlier so the job wasn’t available.
He “chose” Liverpool because the timing was fortunately perfect for them, when they sacked Rodgers and Klopp had been jobless for almost half a year.
Klopp aint dumb though, revealing United wanted him as first choice before LVG when he was under contract, and selling it as the Disneyland thing putting him off has been incredibly popular with Liverpool fans, he knows exactly what he’s doing.
The Wolf of Wall Street himself described his company as an adult Disneyland, and feck yeah I’d have taken a job from him or at Manchester United. LVG likely got the same pitch and took the job, and was ridiculously excited about it even whilst still Holland manager.
The “stupidity” of that comment has been vastly overplayed, he’s selling a fecking managerial position at a club that calls it’s stadium “The Theatre of Dreams” for heaven’s sake.
Raphael Honigstein described the meeting in what has become the definitive biography on Klopp. Bring the noise from 2017. The author was given access to Klopps closest colleagues, friends and family members. Klopp has never denied or confirmed the claims. For from myth in my opinion but if you don't care about it there's no need to get worked up, or appear as such
It’s a myth as to why he didn’t take the job.
He didn’t take it because he was under contract, so we went with LvG. When he became available after Dortmund, there was no vacancy.
Whatever
That's more of an indictment than anything
Yeah the stuff about Utd being a graveyard for Dutch managers says everything about how gutted he is Pochettino won't get the job
Did he actually say this?
It's been years and people still misquote this one. He allegedly described Old Trafford as a Disneyland for adult, in the context of suggesting that the entertainment factor was extremely important.
A place Bobby Charlton himself described as…
It was fine Bobby saying something as cheesy as that about Old Trafford, so much so that our own fans have completely embraced the name, but Woodward describing it similarly cheesily is apparently “sack worthy” and something to be completely outraged about it.
As I say, that Summer he also spoke to LVG who was managing Holland and has managed Barca and Bayern, and likely gave him a similar pitch. LVG was like a kid on Christmas Eve when he waiting to take over.
People like to fake outrage due to the myth that that comment put Klopp off, when in reality Klopp was under contract with Dortmund and had no intention of breaking it, even if Liverpool came in for him then, or as alleged Real Madrid for that matter.
That an unemployed Klopp was wooed by Liverpool I have no doubt about, but it was mid season and it was the only vacancy at a big club. It’s much easier to fall in love with something when you’re open to it.
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The part that bothers me the most is that he joined Liverpool who are one of the corniest and most commercial oriented club in the world.
Why couldn't he have wanted to move in 2014 rather than 2015, damn it
If you think about all the bad things he says in public. Imagine what he says behind closed doors.
I really want to know if he is genuine or if he is acting for Sky.
Aye, the entire premise falls apart as soon as you give it a second’s thought.
Liverpool has always been corny as feck, from the boot room nonsense to the “This is Anfield” sign, to the White Suited Spice Boys or the Suarez t-shirts. And likely what appealed to Klopp’s romantic side most when he was unemployed and considering getting back into it, was the cheesy as feck “You’ll never walk alone” Dortmund connection.
But yeah “Disneyland” really did it.
If he jizzes over City, Liverpool and Chelsea on live TV, just imagine how much of a wrong'un he is when the cameras aren't rolling.
That quote isn't commercial though is it cheesy ? Yes but its emotional and sentimental not geared towards selling you more shirts.
Though the whole adult Disneyland pitch has probably been blown out of proportion.
12:12 onwards is relevant.
Graveyard comment in particular is 14:20
It's disingenuous to suggest that he himself is 'warning Ten Hag' not to take the job.
He's just speaking openly and honestly, and accurately about how tough it will be and how it hard it may be to get the necessary assurances
You can say that a lot of people around this club are moaners and negative etc. but if we're being honest we've never actually came close to looking like a top team or building anything substantial or special in all that time and that's part of the reason the discontent is so high. Finishing second twice while being miles behind City never really felt all that significant, especially as both of those seasons ended with hugely disappointing periods of form and losing cup finals.
I agree with you about the ridiculous pressure coming from ex-players but there's a contradiction there- you say that if it goes wrong nobody blames you- everybody blames you, because to most people (fans, media etc.) you're yet another failed Manchester United manager living in the shadow of Sir Alex Ferguson and the glory years. I mean you only have to mention Ole, Jose or LVG on here and all hell breaks loose on how crap they supposedly all were.
I don’t think he was trying to sell Klopp shirts in fairness, he probably loved his own job (back then) and loved being around OT which lead him to say to both Klopp and LVG that summer that being around Old Trafford is like Disneyland for adults. Meaning it’s a shit load of fun, and an incredible warm and happy place that’s amazing to be around.
It’s incredible how much what likely was a throwaway comment praising the club has been turned into some apparent horror show for the worst sales pitch ever, which it clearly fecking wasn’t because the club and Woodward had no problem getting both LVG and Mourinho to beam from ear to ear about joining.
I mean, as for Klopp, people would do well to remember that “if” the Disneyland comment turned him off so much as the myth makes out, he joined the fecking club and owners that backed this shitshow
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I agree though in all fairness it's kinda of a wacky presentation to give someone who doesn't have the best grasp of English and wants to manage outsideof his country for the first time .
Also I wonder if klop just outright made that shit up himself to endear himself to Liverpool fans, did Woodward confirm it as well?
As I say, Klopp clearly had no problem with cheesy/corny as feck football clubs and owners, else he wouldn’t have joined the ones who backed those fecking Suarez t-shirts.
He was likely swayed by the moneyball sales pitch, and well, the fact that he was, you know, jobless.
It’s all a load of bollocks.
I don’t think he was trying to sell Klopp shirts in fairness, he probably loved his own job (back then) and loved being around OT which lead him to say to both Klopp and LVG that summer that being around Old Trafford is like Disneyland for adults. Meaning it’s a shit load of fun, and an incredible warm and happy place that’s amazing to be around.
It’s incredible how much what likely was a throwaway comment praising the club has been turned into some apparent horror show for the worst sales pitch ever, which it clearly fecking wasn’t because the club and Woodward had no problem getting both LVG and Mourinho to beam from ear to ear about joining.
I mean, as for Klopp, people would do well to remember that “if” the Disneyland comment turned him off so much as the myth makes out, he joined the fecking club and owners that backed this shitshow
It's worse than that, it's about the idea that fans expect to be entertained, that it's part of the club identity. In other word he was talking about Sir Matt Busby idea that United has a duty to entertain the fans.
Whats wrong for a football club to be entertaining? Its a form of entertainment after all so fans can reasonably expect to enjoy the show don't they?
Also we have a long history of explosive exciting football so its in our DNA.
There is nothing wrong about it which makes the criticism worse. It wasn't about money and not about how Woodward felt at United, it was supposed to be about the fans.