Gary Neville

Marwood said:
Lets not start getting into semantics. Entire decision or influence his decision, it's not happening either way.

Imagine being 54 and taking on board the advice of a likely miffed 24 year old. I wouldn't even trust my 24 year old self.

Do you think if van de Beek was being selected every week he'd want to leave?
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Not sure why you're hung up with VDB's age, 24 isnt that young but I digress.

It's about painting a picture, course hes likely to speak to contacts he has and that probably includes VDB, he would be remiss to not speak to all of his sources, and also consider the context of that information he received and take some things with a pinch of salt. Wether it influences him or not, we dont know.
 
Dante said:
When in the video does he do that?
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"Rangnick, VBD will be telling him to be very careful going to Man Utd, because it can be a graveyard at this moment in time for reputations". Is the quote. Doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. He could easily called it a great opportunity for a manager looking to prove himself but chose this instead.
 
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
 
Gary Neville likes having an opinion. He's been banging on about Pochettino being the better option, now he's suddenly spinning the story that Ten Hag might not want the job after seeing how we've performed lately.
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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Yeah thats a good point.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Not sure why you're hung up with VDB's age, 24 isnt that young but I digress.

It's about painting a picture, course hes likely to speak to contacts he has and that probably includes VDB, he would be remiss to not speak to all of his sources, and also consider the context of that information he received and take some things with a pinch of salt. Wether it influences him or not, we dont know.
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Because it's about levels. If a 50 odd year old man is about to take a very senior role in a huge corporation he's not going to be swayed by the opinion of a 24 year old junior member of staff. Especially one whose been effectively demoted for not being good enough. He'd ask a peer.

And like I said, if Beek was being selected he wouldn't be looking to leave. No chance.

The idea of Rangnick telling ETH not to come is incredibly illogical. Rangnick will be working for the club, his role to aid in getting the club back to where it belongs. If ETH is the best man why would our own employee tasked with improving us dissuade that guy?

It's nonsense from Gary.
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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Spot on
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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I think it's well known we've stood still post-Fergie while other clubs have taken strides forward (new stadia, new facilities, modern backroom operations etc.). Klopp joined a club that on the pitch were a pile of shite but he and the powerbrokers there obviously worked on a blueprint that would take them back to the top table and it worked. Chelsea you could argue is a questionable place for managers to go as they're so short-termist, there again they have that free hit feel you allude to in your last couple of sentences as everybody knows you could be out on your ear after the slightest rough patch and no-one will think too badly of you.

I think coming to work for United as they have been post-Fergie has been a poisoned chalice to be honest, given the Glazers' sole focus on commercial matters and the countless clueless footballing decisions that have been made. I don't think pundits have been wrong to point that out, but equally the suggestions that top managers shouldn't want to take the United job is ridiculous too; of course they should relish the challenge of getting this club back on its feet and as you say in the climate we're in nobody would think the worse of them if they failed.
 
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Gary’s a bit defeatist if he thinks ETH should consider walking away from us. Of course we’ve fecked up but you should look forward and don’t look back too much on your mistakes etc.
 
I can't fathom why Gary is being dragged for something a lot of people on this forum are saying.
These players will sink Ten Hag if given the chance. Gary is just saying the man will walk away if he's not given control.
 
Chairman Steve said:
Gary’s a bit defeatist if he thinks ETH should consider walking away from us. Of course we’ve fecked up but you should look forward and don’t look back too much on your mistakes etc.
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Surely you can understand the gist of his point though? Or at least understand that ETH is intelligent enough that he realises he’ll just be another a failure if he doesn’t get the root and branch changes he thinks are necessary. The only other thing he I can think is that he may be being sounded out by someone like Man City for a potential start at the beginning of the 2023/24 season. Be honest, if you were a genuinely ambitious and neutral manager what would you do? Join Utd in summer of 2022 despite your misgivings, or join City in summer of 2023?
 
NicolaSacco said:
Surely you can understand the gist of his point though? Or at least understand that ETH is intelligent enough that he realises he’ll just be another a failure if he doesn’t get the root and branch changes he thinks are necessary. The only other thing he I can think is that he may be being sounded out by someone like Man City for a potential start at the beginning of the 2023/24 season. Be honest, if you were a genuinely ambitious and neutral manager what would you do? Join Utd in summer of 2022 despite your misgivings, or join City in summer of 2023?
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To be honest that’s a ridiculous straw man. There is nothing to suggest Ten Hag doesn’t want to take up the Utd job.
 
cyberman said:
To be honest that’s a ridiculous straw man. There is nothing to suggest Ten Hag doesn’t want to take up the Utd job.
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I don’t think that’s what straw man means, fella. Ten Hag will be in demand I’d assume, and base his decisions not just on what is available this second but on what he wants from his career, and ehat will be the most logical step up. I’d be more worried if he didn’t think like to be honest
 
NicolaSacco said:
I don’t think that’s what straw man means, fella. Ten Hag will be in demand I’d assume, and base his decisions not just on what is available this second but on what he wants from his career, and ehat will be the most logical step up. I’d be more worried if he didn’t think like to be honest
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It is though, you made up a scenario that he has an option to wait for City that doesn’t exist that then leads to why join Utd when he can wait for City? There can only be one answer to that question and it’s set up to argue why he will stay at Ajax.
There is absolutely nothing of substance to say he isn’t coming here or even if he’s not sure if joining us.
I’ll put out a point, I dont think Pep is leaving until the Premier League investigation into them is over since no manager worth his salt will join without knowing if major sanctions are on the way or not.
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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Couldnt have said it better. Great post.



It's ridiculous the self loathing around us.


Apparently it's deluded to think we are a still a good draw, but nah you'd think we were Burnley, but when any other top club is doing worse than us in the league and are bringing a new manager In, apparently it's not a big deal and they going to a big club with aspirations, but with us why would anyone want to join us.


Something I would never understand. We literally are only one of the few clubs about that can provide huge resources for any manager looking to rebuild. Get the most media traction, and literally one of the most successful clubs in English history, and biggest stadium as well to get the fans behind ya every weekend......nah who would want that challenge when we are totally shite doomsday scenario, Bizarre
 
MUFC OK said:
"Rangnick, VBD will be telling him to be very careful going to Man Utd, because it can be a graveyard at this moment in time for reputations". Is the quote. Doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. He could easily called it a great opportunity for a manager looking to prove himself but chose this instead.
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So you want Neville to lie in order to fit in with your particular line of propaganda?

In any case, Neville isn't telling EtH to stay away. Only that the experience from within the obviously toxic dressing room is bad and that might put Ten Hag off given that he wants assurances and we're still mid-negotiation. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to worry about.
 
cyberman said:
To be honest that’s a ridiculous straw man. There is nothing to suggest Ten Hag doesn’t want to take up the Utd job.
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They just making stuff up.


Like saying klopp wasn't ambitious taking on Liverpool who were in worse nick than us.


He clearly backing himself to get them back winning why he took the job. Same with Hag if he comes.

The way some are talking the only option for us is to just close the club down and just forgot about everything :lol:
 
can remember a time where we were successfull and ex liverpool players talked shit as pundits. it seems a long time ago
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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Take a bow
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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Great post. We’re shite currently and in a bit of a mess. But it’s ridiculous to suggest a good manager won’t make a huge difference and that players come and go.
 
Mickeza said:
I honestly don’t get how all sense of perspective and relativity just goes to the wall with United. Any time we don’t win it’s a moral outrage and everything and everyone at the club is broken. We’ve finished 2nd twice in the last 4 years. We’ve been to umpteen semi-finals and a final in that time. We’ve finished ahead of high spending Chelsea 3 of the last 4 years. Was anyone bleating in the media about why would Tuchel want the Chelsea job when he took them over in 8th? Leaks everywhere about how they disliked Lampard and his methods - was there a meltdown every day on every media platform telling them all to get out of the club? The fans even had a little protest in support of Lampard. What about klopp at Liverpool? Had achieved feck all for decades. They were 9th I think, 6th the previous season and had lost to stoke 6-1 on the final game. Total disarray. Was the media actively telling anyone linked not to join? It’s been a bad season. Other clubs have bad seasons. I saw Gullit say it’s a shit job and the big problem ETH will have is that the former players like Neville, Ferdinand and Scholes are constantly on TV saying how shit everything is and you’ll get zero time before the pressure builds - and he’s right. I’m sick of listening to it all. You get more time and more money than any other club outside of City and the project of restoring a huge club to former glory. And if it goes wrong nobody blames you. It’s a dream job.
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Absaloutely brilliant post. 100% agree with you. The moral outrage on Twitter when we don't win is astonishing. Guarantee you there would be no protest v Norwich had we beaten Everton. The media and our own fan doom and gloom is endless. Pool barely scrapped 4th last year as VVD and one or two others were out injured - imagine that, a few key players can make all the difference.

Yes the Org structure hasn't been great, but guess what, that can be changed easily. In fact, it has actually been changed recently but a changed org structure doesn't instantly translate to improved performances on the pitch, which many people seem to find hard to grasp.

Yes we are shit at the moment but let's not lose all sense of perspective and reality as you say.
 
Marwood said:
Because it's about levels. If a 50 odd year old man is about to take a very senior role in a huge corporation he's not going to be swayed by the opinion of a 24 year old junior member of staff. Especially one whose been effectively demoted for not being good enough. He'd ask a peer.

And like I said, if Beek was being selected he wouldn't be looking to leave. No chance.

The idea of Rangnick telling ETH not to come is incredibly illogical. Rangnick will be working for the club, his role to aid in getting the club back to where it belongs. If ETH is the best man why would our own employee tasked with improving us dissuade that guy?

It's nonsense from Gary.
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It's not about being swayed or making a decision based on what a junior member of staff says, it's about a manager learning about his potential new club and getting a players perspective on it, a player that can compare it to the club he's currently working for as well. It's also not like ETH is in jail and has to choose whether he wants to call Donny or Mourinho with his one phone call.
 
cyberman said:
It is though, you made up a scenario that he has an option to wait for City that doesn’t exist that then leads to why join Utd when he can wait for City? There can only be one answer to that question and it’s set up to argue why he will stay at Ajax.
There is absolutely nothing of substance to say he isn’t coming here or even if he’s not sure if joining us.
I’ll put out a point, I dont think Pep is leaving until the Premier League investigation into them is over since no manager worth his salt will join without knowing if major sanctions are on the way or not.
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Except I didn’t ‘make up a scenario’. I described it as the only other thing I can think. I have no more made up a scenario that ETH may join city, than you have made up your own scenario just now about whether Pep would leave/another manager would join during the financial investigations. Having an opinion (especially if you explicitly express that opinion as a suggestion, not a certainty) is simply not what a straw man argument is.
If I’d said ‘so what you’re saying is Ten Hag only has Utd as an option therefore must join them and no-one else’ and then proceeded to explain why that wasn’t true, THAT would be a straw man argument, because I’d be putting words in your mouth and then going on to refute something you never said.
 
MUFC OK said:
Publicly suggesting our best hope of a managerial candidate avoid us, what an absolute pillock. Why would he go that far? Honestly think he doesn't want us to succeed.
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Its nonsense isn’t it. I don’t remember him asking why Conte would want to join 10th placed Chelsea or Spurs earlier this season.
 
Gurtej said:
Gary say we shouldn’t hire Conte….. tell me one good reason, why not apart
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Because Conte would spend a fortune, have one half decent season playing ugly football before falling out with the club and leaving.
 
Elcabron said:
Absaloutely brilliant post. 100% agree with you. The moral outrage on Twitter when we don't win is astonishing. Guarantee you there would be no protest v Norwich had we beaten Everton.
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It's protests against the owners not the team. Just like the large scale protests in 2010 when we were in a champions league semi and winning the league...

Or last year when we were 2nd and had a Europa final weeks later.

Don't talk out your arse.

I actually agree with the fella quoted saying everything with Utd is over amplified for what its worth.
 
I actually think for an ambitious manager there is no greater challenge in football than Utd. If you can be the man to restore us to the top you’d be showered with plaudits.
 
MUFC OK said:
"Rangnick, VBD will be telling him to be very careful going to Man Utd, because it can be a graveyard at this moment in time for reputations". Is the quote. Doesn't sound like an endorsement to me. He could easily called it a great opportunity for a manager looking to prove himself but chose this instead.
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Is 'at this moment in time' some kind of GNev catchphrase?
 
Zlaatan said:
It's not about being swayed or making a decision based on what a junior member of staff says, it's about a manager learning about his potential new club and getting a players perspective on it, a player that can compare it to the club he's currently working for as well. It's also not like ETH is in jail and has to choose whether he wants to call Donny or Mourinho with his one phone call.
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The biggest flaw in this whole argument is that it seems pretty clear its already a done deal.
 
Sassy Colin said:
So he thinks insiders will warn Ten Hag off from taking the job, but, somehow, no one will warn off Poch?

I mean, is he totally thick, or what?
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Because Poch isn't coming. Ten Hag is.

But Ten Hag will be hearing negative stories about the dressing room because that's the truth of the situation. Nothing Neville says one way or the other is going to change that. It's like people are upset with him for saying it out loud even though we all know it.
 
Zlaatan said:
So I didn't use the past tense, my bad. The point still stands though.
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It doesn't stand. ETH isn't going to let the opinion of one, young, unhappy footballer inform his decision making. Especially when it's such a massive opportunity for him.

Which is why it looks very much like he's on his way here.
 
Utd heap said:
It's protests against the owners not the team. Just like the large scale protests in 2010 when we were in a champions league semi and winning the league...

Or last year when we were 2nd and had a Europa final weeks later.

Don't talk out your arse.

I actually agree with the fella quoted saying everything with Utd is over amplified for what its worth.
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Last year's protest was on the back of the failed super league and if that game was a title decider there would have been feck all of a protest.

2010, I think a plane was flown over OT with Glazers out banner, not sure if there was much more than that.

Maybe the proposed protest v Norwich was proposed before the Everton game and if it was fair enough. I hadn't heard anything about it till after the Everton result though, did you?
 
Sassy Colin said:
Which, I suggest, is the exact reason Klopp took on Liverpool instead of United.
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That's actually an interesting perspective, it's also a reason why I rate Klopp higher than Pep due to the lesser resources Liverpool have had.

FSG aren't exactly the most prominent football owners. Klopp's management is papering over some cracks within their ownership which will likely be exposed when he eventually departs.
 
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