Indeed. How can anyone go for Neville after that performance when there are many more people in front of him who were actually responsible for it?
Gary Neville
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Watch the clip then. One has to be a special kind of idiot to even assume that Bruno of all people asked to come off based on that clip. This is a guy who plays more or less every minute of every game season after season.
yeah I would at least offer you one for free but that's just how I roll.Yeah I agree, but there is nothing new there, he has been one for all of his career. I just find it amusing how much he bothers people. Most of our past players are absolute knobends when it comes to punditry he is just like has always been.
He is being paid to spew drivel on TV he knows how to get the headlines, I couldn't give one shit about the bullshit he yells out every weekend. He shouldn't be given one minute by us or the club and it's staff.
Just my take on this
The bolded part is what it comes down to, and people like that frustrate me and is probably why I dislike him!
How do you know that it's true??
Come on, you're usually much better than this!
People are annoyed that Gary Neville has made up an accusation against one of our players, an accusation that is evidently false but even so has led to his character being attacked publicly. That's what is going on here. You're being a bit disingenuous with your "no big deal anyway" comment because we know in football it's not the done thing to ask to be substituted and that it will lead to a player getting abused by his fans - you know this sort of thing happens in real life. And then it turns out you haven't even seen the clip that you were questioning the other poster on! Sorry duffer, but you're better than this, fella!Do you have a single shred of evidence?
Don't think anyone is claiming he hated United. But he has a clear bias against us in commentary and goes overboard with criticism of our players. One can claim it is because of excessive love, but don't really agree.
I think there is enough anger to go around
Did a quick search on socials to see what really happened and it seems that Bruno was waiting at the centre circle to kick off after Nunez scored the 5th. He’s looking over to the bench with Elanga waiting to come on, then Rashfords number comes up and he throws his arms up in the air and starts shouting.
Bruno said he wasn’t asking to come off. Say what you want, that’s still petulant behaviour
Bruno said he wasn’t asking to come off. Say what you want, that’s still petulant behaviour
If you read the posts in this very page you'll see I said I haven't even seen it.
I was just wondering how anyone can be so utterly certain of this kind of thing.
I absolutely don't.
I am not saying he's not quality. I just don't think he's on the same level of quality as other players, and as I said, he needed United ( + SAF + Beckham) more than United needed him, because I think we can have similar success without him, but hard to say we will achieve the same without Keane Scholes Beckham Giggs, etc. Again, I understand my opinion is not popular, but when I watched us back then, I can't help but think Gary is the weak link in our defense as I keep seeing him making mistakes or not fast/positioning well enough to close down a danger, and I really want us to upgrade on him. I never feel "safe" with him.
Basically, I think he's just a good talent, not world-class as others, and I stand by that.
SAF is very loyal to his players. If you tell him we should not sign Ronaldo back or we should release Ronaldo in the summer he would laugh at you too...
So you think Gary should be able to make fake news as he wishes?
Found Neville saying it, cameras missed it.
So you haven't even seen the 'incident' you are arguing about. Brilliant.
He's paid to give his opinion on what's happening in the game. He might be wrong but commentators get shit wrong all the time.
It's football, he's not spreading Covid miss-information or saying the earth is flat. "Fake news", give me a break.
Obviously the only people who know the truth are the player and manager. Possibly the other players.
If it were true, he will be done under Ten Hag.
No, I’m trying to find fan footage but most have been deleted for copyright reasons
Why?
Is asking to come off worse than staying on and not trying? I'd say absolutely not.
All things being considered, I'd imagine he didn't ask to come off but I don't see how it's come crazily awful accusation, especially when pretty much all your players had given up at that point (being a Chelsea fan, I know all about players not trying).
If he had a legitimate reason, yes. Asking to come off because he doesn't fancy it is another thing. He''ll be finished.
He's definitely got a problem with Bruno. He's been calling him a whinger for ages and it's quite unprofessional.
As others have mentioned he recently appealed for a corner and Gary makes a comment about him whinging at the ref. This wasn't anything out of the ordinary and wasn't a controversial decision. However, once the ref gave the corner Gary follows up with a comment about how the whinging worked.
Everyone doesn't see everything that happens so comments made by commentators become the reality, unfortunately.
Players do that all the time. They normally just pretend to be injured!
That would fall under "legitimate"
If he didn't have the balls he'll suffer the same fate that Ajax lad did, as promising as he was. Fernandes is a whinging gobshite at times, but I don't think he lacks bottle for the fight.
Bruno didn't ask to be subbed. There is nothing big/clear enough to indicate he wanted to. Gary made a statement that Bruno asked to be subbed and then attack him for it. That's literally fake news. Fake news = news that is fake. He literally spreads misinformation about Bruno.
No need to derail it by mentioning Covid or flat earth. If you have an argument/proof that what Gary did is not fake news, post it, and don't derail.
Is that a good thing? The last thing I'd want if we lost like that to Arsenal or Spurs are the players getting away with little to no attention. I'd go as far as saying I'd want most if not all the players that got significant minutes in that match completely out of the next matchday squad.
Great Mourinho-esque tactic from Neville.
There has been "backlash" against Neville for ages now, it's not limited to Sunday (and it's as disingenuous to pretend it is as it was for Neville to portray Bruno as complaining about not coming off).
Anyone who says it is no big deal what pundits say need a reality check. The pundits and the media drive the narrative in the country. Everyone from FA to the refs are affected by it.
Be it VAR, penalties, fouls given by the ref., everything is affected by the media talk.
Be it VAR, penalties, fouls given by the ref., everything is affected by the media talk.
Have you seen what the squad would be like if we dropped everyone who played significant minutes on Sunday?
Million percent Ten Hag will be asked about it as soon as he meets the press. Think he'll speak the truth too.
He should say something on the lines of "Anyone who says Bruno asked to be subbed is a liar". Rest the Sun and Daily Mail will add.
It was a joke. But for some reason, a lot of people seem to think that this is a one off and United will bounce back. Personally I'm not that sure and there's still a lot of points to play for from here, people are talking like the season is about to end and United are safe with top 4 and a trophy. I wouldn't be hugely surprised if United limp over the line from here, but we'll see.
Exactly and I've a bigger problem with him repeatedly calling Bruno a whinger, than this sub comment, for that very reason. That reputation will stick and refs will be less likely to pay attention to complaints from him as Captain over it.
Unusual to see duffer making a bit of a tit of himself in this thread, usually a great poster.
Think he's just on the WUM
Yeah totally, I'm glad we all agree Martinez is too short for the PL, some real weight behind these pundits and their opinions. When they say something out loud, I just go blank and take everything they say as the gospel truth. It's impossible to form your own opinion after hours of watching players once they make a single claim on live TV.
What? Surely, if Bruno get's booked for whining at refs and therefore gets a reputation for it. it's on him and his whinging, not Gary Neville making a comment about him doing the thing that got him booked?
It's not like Neville is wishing his behaviour into existence and referees were impervious to it before Neville said anything. He fecking moans all the time!
Fair enough but at the very least the main culprits should be made an example of, even if it's just for one game.
I feel you need send some sort of strong message that losing like that to your main rivals is beyond unacceptable.
So are you trying to say that pundits that played the game to a high level are wrong about Martinez being too short for the PL? Or Casemiro being a not great midfielder? Are you going to argue with Liverpool being the best team in Europe while City won almost every league and Madrid almost every CL? What informs you to say things like that? Reality aside.
Ya right, because that is what we are talking about.