Unless you have a crystal ball, nothing in life is guaranteed, but I do believe in him - don't fecking mock me for that
Fans are turning on Ole faster than they did on Moyes, LVG and Jose
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I'm not going through games rating them good or great ffs. If you can't see that Ole has better ideas for the team than the others then so be it. Whether he can transform those ideas into sustained reality we don't know, but it's reason enough to find out for plenty of us here. I'm not bothered about changing your opinion. Believe what you please.
Fair enough, I guess time will tell
Which fans are We talking about?
Maybe his poor tactics and subs lately and his last 10 games lost 7 drew 1 which is never acceptable at this club. And also maybe because his name as a manager is not backed up with medals or so ( Norwegian league apart)
For me he should be judged by next December but unfortunately I don't trust him challenging on anything.
For me he should be judged by next December but unfortunately I don't trust him challenging on anything.
Everyone questioning his experience and pedigree leaves out his winning experience as reserve manager for us. It's a good job Real Madrid didn't think like these fans.
"After retiring as a player, Zidane transitioned into coaching, and began as his head coaching career at Real Madrid Castilla.[13] He remained in the position for two years before taking the helm of the first team in January 2016."
Or:
"After retiring as a player, Guardiola briefly coached Barcelona B, with whom he won a Tercera Divisióntitle, and assumed control of the first-team in 2008"
https://wearethebusbyboys.com/2018/12/19/solskjaer-all-results-as-man-utd-reserve-manager/
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer complete record as @manutd reserve team manager (includes LSC/MSC) :
P68 W41 D18 L9 Goals For 139 Goals Against 56
Win percentage : 60%
Goals per game : 2.04
Honours:
"After retiring as a player, Zidane transitioned into coaching, and began as his head coaching career at Real Madrid Castilla.[13] He remained in the position for two years before taking the helm of the first team in January 2016."
Or:
"After retiring as a player, Guardiola briefly coached Barcelona B, with whom he won a Tercera Divisióntitle, and assumed control of the first-team in 2008"
https://wearethebusbyboys.com/2018/12/19/solskjaer-all-results-as-man-utd-reserve-manager/
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer complete record as @manutd reserve team manager (includes LSC/MSC) :
P68 W41 D18 L9 Goals For 139 Goals Against 56
Win percentage : 60%
Goals per game : 2.04
Honours:
- Premier Reserve League: 2009–10
- Premier Reserve League North: 2009–10
- Lancashire Senior Cup: 2008–09
- Manchester Senior Cup: 2009
Just some big-vocal fans.
Then again most of them disagree with Ole's appointment from the very start so that isn't surprising. Interesting enough early on when Ole had that nice long run of good football, some changed their tune quickly to support and cheering on him then now with the run of bad results, change again -- turning of him.
So fickle.
Majority of fans I know just criticising Ole (and others) as he (and the rest) deserve it -- that's not turning on him.
Sensible fans know clearly he haven't being given the chance to fix the team yet. This summer will be his first transfer window to fix the team. The january one doesn't count because he's just the caretaker at that time, no signings made and I doubt he have any big say in transfers in at that time -- club keeping transfer money for the confirmed manager for next season. Fellaini wanted to leave and well, no problem at that, club freely let him go.
Anyway, the signs so far in recent long run of games is just not sunshine
use whatever words you want. It's just not promising, but I felt that how this summer and pre-season will be and how the next season start should be more than enough to give a clear verdict whether we're on the right track or not, and if Ole is the right person or not. He definitely have the right ideas and the right speeches, but does he have the right skills (coaching and the rest football-related managing)? If he don't, how quickly can he adapt to the demands we needed from our manager? No doubt he will try his best of course and I'm betting on that to be enough... but realistically likely not, who knows.
I think we all should just see first if Ole is up to it or not.
If he's not, simply change the manager.
Then again most of them disagree with Ole's appointment from the very start so that isn't surprising. Interesting enough early on when Ole had that nice long run of good football, some changed their tune quickly to support and cheering on him then now with the run of bad results, change again -- turning of him.
So fickle.Majority of fans I know just criticising Ole (and others) as he (and the rest) deserve it -- that's not turning on him.
Sensible fans know clearly he haven't being given the chance to fix the team yet. This summer will be his first transfer window to fix the team. The january one doesn't count because he's just the caretaker at that time, no signings made and I doubt he have any big say in transfers in at that time -- club keeping transfer money for the confirmed manager for next season. Fellaini wanted to leave and well, no problem at that, club freely let him go.
Anyway, the signs so far in recent long run of games is just not sunshine
use whatever words you want. It's just not promising, but I felt that how this summer and pre-season will be and how the next season start should be more than enough to give a clear verdict whether we're on the right track or not, and if Ole is the right person or not. He definitely have the right ideas and the right speeches, but does he have the right skills (coaching and the rest football-related managing)? If he don't, how quickly can he adapt to the demands we needed from our manager? No doubt he will try his best of course and I'm betting on that to be enough... but realistically likely not, who knows.I think we all should just see first if Ole is up to it or not.
If he's not, simply change the manager.
These so many fans making early naive predictions is getting tiring eg. manager will fail definitely 100%, or these player will never be a United player, can never make it at United, not United quality etc etc... all of it is so bs. Then when the manager or players prove 'em wrong -- change their tune "I've been supporting/believing in them from the very start" so bs.
We haven't outplayed a team over 90 minutes since arsenal who aren't even good.
And this includes getting dominated by wolves twice. And Watford destroyed us after we started well.
Ole needs time but there is room for concern.
And this includes getting dominated by wolves twice. And Watford destroyed us after we started well.
Ole needs time but there is room for concern.
We went from being a solidified mid-table team when he came in - closer to the bottom (only three points away from eleventh place) to the top even (eight points up to sixth). Anyone saying we've been in bad form and claiming our performances have dropped since he joined are either focusing on this bad beat alone (in fact even during some of our defeats we've looked better than we did the months leading up to Mourinho getting sacked) plus also taking it completely out of context not considering any surrounding circumstances. Either that or they're suffering from short term memory and a very selective one at that - while also conveniently disregarding the fact that he hasn't had the chance to make any changes yet - that this is a team he's inherited and one that - despite showing a lot of improvements - still hasn't been given time to adapt.
Oh and he's not without credentials - that's bullcrap as he's done marvels with Molde and also did a really good job managing our reserves. The team he's built in Norway are first in the league now eleven points ahead of the team that's been dominating the nation for thirty years having just beaten them 3-0 - and if they keep it up they're now headed for their third league title ever (him being the architect behind all three and in addition he's won the cup with them too). And yeah "it's the Norwegian League it's shite" I get that and it's true but football is still football and he did well with them in Europa League as well which is impressive given the fact that it is indeed a team from a shite league compared to those he faced off against there. He can turn rubble into bronze at least - he's proven that much - and I think he deserves some credit for it too and I hope he'll help us turning silver into gold.
So to treat him as a novice is just silly because he is not - this man knows football - and also he's great at forming good relationships with others which too is an important job managing any squad. And those who choose to judge him based on this past month-and-a-half needs to remember where we were at when he entered the scene, who our opposition were for some of those losses, the fact that he still hasn't had the chance to make any real changes and also that his overall results - despite this recent drop in form even - still are third best in the league only beaten by Klopp and Guardiola both of whom have had years shaping their teams and were so far ahead on all fronts when Solskjær took the reins there shouldn't even be a contest (and yet there has been).
The people falling into hysteria and screaming for Ole's head at this point are simply not seeing the full picture - based on every argument presented to me so far at least it's completely uncalled for. And I have my reservations too by the way - I am not saying he'll guarantee us success - but equally so I doubt he'll flop completely and I know that to even think about sacking him at this point is just as silly and uninformed as it is petty. He needs a transfer window and a proper preseason to help reshape this squad - and then if we're contending for top-four and looking a decent side come Christmas there's no question he should get until summer and then if we're top four or at the very least properly contending for it with the team showing promise for further growth - he should be rewarded another season.
And meanwhile we should support both him and the team and do what we can to help raise their spirit because... Well because that's our job now isn't it? We have to play our part to perfection if we are to expect the same from our players.
Oh and he's not without credentials - that's bullcrap as he's done marvels with Molde and also did a really good job managing our reserves. The team he's built in Norway are first in the league now eleven points ahead of the team that's been dominating the nation for thirty years having just beaten them 3-0 - and if they keep it up they're now headed for their third league title ever (him being the architect behind all three and in addition he's won the cup with them too). And yeah "it's the Norwegian League it's shite" I get that and it's true but football is still football and he did well with them in Europa League as well which is impressive given the fact that it is indeed a team from a shite league compared to those he faced off against there. He can turn rubble into bronze at least - he's proven that much - and I think he deserves some credit for it too and I hope he'll help us turning silver into gold.
So to treat him as a novice is just silly because he is not - this man knows football - and also he's great at forming good relationships with others which too is an important job managing any squad. And those who choose to judge him based on this past month-and-a-half needs to remember where we were at when he entered the scene, who our opposition were for some of those losses, the fact that he still hasn't had the chance to make any real changes and also that his overall results - despite this recent drop in form even - still are third best in the league only beaten by Klopp and Guardiola both of whom have had years shaping their teams and were so far ahead on all fronts when Solskjær took the reins there shouldn't even be a contest (and yet there has been).
The people falling into hysteria and screaming for Ole's head at this point are simply not seeing the full picture - based on every argument presented to me so far at least it's completely uncalled for. And I have my reservations too by the way - I am not saying he'll guarantee us success - but equally so I doubt he'll flop completely and I know that to even think about sacking him at this point is just as silly and uninformed as it is petty. He needs a transfer window and a proper preseason to help reshape this squad - and then if we're contending for top-four and looking a decent side come Christmas there's no question he should get until summer and then if we're top four or at the very least properly contending for it with the team showing promise for further growth - he should be rewarded another season.
And meanwhile we should support both him and the team and do what we can to help raise their spirit because... Well because that's our job now isn't it? We have to play our part to perfection if we are to expect the same from our players.
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I'm a lot more convinced by Nuno Santo these days. Wolves have played extremely well and he has top flight experience with Valencia and Porto
The feck you talking about, my pessimistic views and they are supportive unlike me. Can you even provide one example among my posts where i showed clear lack of any support towards Ole or you just pulled that out from your own ass in attempt to spin whole thing up.
I dont act like i know it all nor i know what they really think or feel, i can only see how they behave towards posters who aint or pretend to be 100% like them. You can still be supportive of a manager even if you express your criticism regarding specific issue. Posters saying how him persisting with picking Young or him giving the same player contract extension is on him, isnt a sign of them showing zero support. That doesnt matter thoo, they being targeted and marked in the similar manner just like those who want Ole sacked. Everyone below will get their fair share of being called, impatient child, spoiled brat, moaner, drama queen etc.
And people who are genuinely concerned with his lack of tactics or coaching experience.
Lack of tactics? What does that even mean is he just sending players out on the pitch drawing their names from a hat and telling them to "sort it out for themselves?" Care to elaborate? And also - lack of coaching experience? That's a false premise if ever I've heard one. Maybe you should read up on him if you think he just magically appeared from hiding under the stands having laid there dormant ever since he retired - because that's pretty far from the case
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All players we sign are under contract too, we don't exactly wait until they become free agents to sign them up. Tuchel at least had a good top flight experience before he got the Dortmund gig. Personally I don't want Luis Enrique anywhere near our club, he lucked out with Barcelona as he was their legend and was respected and he has been a failure everywhere else.
Going by the last 10 games that's exactly what it looks like he is doing.Lack of tactics? What does that even mean is he just sending players out on the pitch drawing their names from a hat and telling them to "sort it out for themselves?" Care to elaborate? And also - lack of coaching experience? That's a false premise if ever I've heard one. Maybe you should read up on him if you think he just magically appeared from hiding under the stands having laid there dormant ever since he retired - because that's pretty far from the case
You might think coaching in Norwegian league is enough for managing us, I don't.
While this might be true, I'm not actually surprised. And while I do think we need to give Ole time, because face it, what other option do we have at this point? The reaction to Ole is mainly because of how far we've fallen since SAF retired. With Moyes, we were always going to give the new manager some time. Especially since SAF told us to support the new manager in his farewell speech at OT and most expected a few bumps in the beginning. With LVG and Mourinho, they were always going to be given the benefit of the doubt cos of their past resumes and success. Plus, what other options were available then? It's not like Pep or Klopp were available. Don't think anyone fancied Giggs managing the club. As for Ole, people are running out of patience and can kinda see the writing on the wall. They've seen this movie before. Our board is inept and there's still no DoF in place. Plus, we could have done a full-court press on Poch. People are slowly waking up to the realization that we're not gonna be challenging for quite some time and it's depressing.
That’s because the fans have run out of patience with what’s going on the football pitch and know that one more disaster of a summer window simply cannot be afforded. We are long past the stage when we should have blind patience, we’ve been on one of the most horrid runs in the club’s history are are still not learning from any mistakes.
You know who's bad run equaled that of ours just now? Hint: It was way back in 1963 and I'm pretty sure everyone's happy we didn't panic and went about firing the man in charge... In fact read up on the history of bad runs and you'll find a lot of managers who proved extremely successful experienced those and maybe you'll even learn why focusing on negatives alone not putting it all into a greater context is something of a simpleton's move.
Yeah but you guys who are so eager for his head already don't seem to do a lot of thinking at all to be fair. Maybe you can tell me what Guardiola's credentials were before getting the job at Barcelona? Klopp's CV prior to Dortmund? Zidane's prior to Real Madrid? Etc etc etc? Can't be bothered doing through this dance with you all over again - you are just repeating thoughtless arguments based on false premises and selective reasoning all of which are easily dismissed - in fact arguments that's already been dismissed numerous times over even all across these forums without you guys being either unable or unwilling to register them - so I'll just go about it the lazy way and quote myself:
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Im not fond of giving the manager 200m and let him build his squad.
Never have and never will.
That argument can only be used when we have shown a solid run, some coherent and clear style of play, started playing like a fooking football club with ideas for once.
When that happens and we still fall short, than the argument of giving a manager 200m to bolster some weak areas and another season has merit.
Giving the excuse of 200m to built a new squad and giving a manager free pass on every 1st year is a sign of making excuses.
If you cant work with a team that finished 2nd prior, then you dont deserve 200m to rebuilt. Ole has a nice run, but our recent 8 lost in 10 is also record breaking.
I still have thenopinion of giving ole another year to see what he is up to. But i dont think next year is gonna be much different, nor i think any dof would make a different on the actual pitch performance. People are quick to blamr structure as if a structure can make things better in the short run. Put it this way, if we swap barcelona or bayern structure magically with ole and the same sets of players the performance wont change much.
Never have and never will.
That argument can only be used when we have shown a solid run, some coherent and clear style of play, started playing like a fooking football club with ideas for once.
When that happens and we still fall short, than the argument of giving a manager 200m to bolster some weak areas and another season has merit.
Giving the excuse of 200m to built a new squad and giving a manager free pass on every 1st year is a sign of making excuses.
If you cant work with a team that finished 2nd prior, then you dont deserve 200m to rebuilt. Ole has a nice run, but our recent 8 lost in 10 is also record breaking.
I still have thenopinion of giving ole another year to see what he is up to. But i dont think next year is gonna be much different, nor i think any dof would make a different on the actual pitch performance. People are quick to blamr structure as if a structure can make things better in the short run. Put it this way, if we swap barcelona or bayern structure magically with ole and the same sets of players the performance wont change much.
It's not the coach it's the players.
Yet the two managers before with great "credentials" signed mostly shit players. It's been stated repeatedly, but the key to bringing this club back to the top isn't on Ole, but on the structure of the club being sorted out.
By mentioning Guardiola, Zidane you are taking only the best examples of players turning managers, what about plenty of good players who make poor managers? Klopp had experience before taking over Dortmund, he didn't magically land himself a job at Dortmund.
LvG and Mourinho were over the hill by the time we got them, I don't know why it's always the extremes with us, people were blindly supporting Mourinho this year because he won lots of trophies but now we have to blindly support someone who had absolutely zero top league experience.
Yes I didn't say being a player is a guaranteed road to success - but hey if you want to argue against points never uttered then fine - far be it for me to deny a madman his right to debate the voices inside his head. What I did however - just for the record - was making the comparison to other managers who also got their jobs without being established as top coaches in order to point out that his experience is actually vaster than others who've proven successful - responding to your feeble attempt at marking him out as someone lacking in experience.
As for Klopp's experience - what was that exacltly? Because his journey isn't as flawless as many would think either but still I doubt anyone would call him out as a hack over it. In fact there's a lot of lessons to be learnt there about patience and giving someone the benefit of the doubt - and all the other stuff I've tried to preach lately:
He spent his first three and half seasons with Mainz before they gained promotion from the second division - not even by winning it but by finishing third. Then he spent two season with them going nowhere in the prime division before getting relegated back down again and then failing to secure promotion the following season. He then resigned. That wasn't exactly overwhelming by any standards but it still got him the job in Dortmund. Because apparently they saw something - the context of his shortcomings - the larger picture maybe or other positives related to his philosophy and character?
Or maybe they just drew his name out of the hat for all I know the way some people seems to think they've done with Ole - but no matter he still got the job and settled in.
And what was his achievements there? At Dortmund? Well let's just say they're probably glad they didn't judge him on his past credentials and his first couple of seasons - because his team spent two years in limbo winning only the German Supercup before suddenly going on something of a rampage winning the league twice in a row and also the German Cup - then finishing second in the league two years in a row and also reaching the Champions League final while reaping yet another Supercup. Then - the year after - his side suddenly imploded on him before he resigned - managing only seventh place.
So yeah everyone has their ups and downs and imagine if they'd judge him only by his failures? Focus only on the negatives? Actually I would have loved that if the Liverpool supporters did this - because them going all "He's just a clueless loser who couldn't even keep Mainz up or get them promoted again after having screwed them over and his results in Dortmund were a fluke just look at his last season there and he's not actually won anything here either yet so let's boot him out straight away and rip his pecker off so he won't procreate rawr-rawr-rawr!" - would definitely increase our chances next season.
Point being: You can't judge anything or anyone straight away you always need to observe over time and use your eyes and brain alike to get some proper oversight before making a sound judgement - and success is very rarely instant nor paved in gold so being impatient and petty is always foolish.
Very few people are saying we should support him blindly - in fact I haven't seen a single one say that so once more I feel you're attempting to argue a point never made. All we're objecting against most of us is how you guys are blindly dismissing him. And this is exactly what you're doing - being blindly dismissive - because the kind of arguments put forth are lacking to the extreme - completely void of anything even resembling perspective. And then a lot of the stuff you're using against him is just made up nonsense with no root in reality whatsoever - simply untrue no matter how many times you repeat it between yourselves and how often you choose to ignore any objections.
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Our run and us losing on top 4 and also our performances under him are very very worrying.
I am not bashing OGS or anything, but just want to point out the Reserve, U23 League in England is not as competitive. Barcelona B and Madrid Castilla participate in actual leagues. The teams in their leagues play in La Liga from time to time. Playing against teams who fight for result is very different than Reserve league where you can afford to give unfit first team players minutes, who almost never trained with Reserve team.
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It’s threads like these that expose the hypocrisy of our fanbase.
Before Ole was appointed every other fan was saying: I don’t care about winning, as long as we challenge for Top 4 and play some good football all is good.
In comes Ole who does both. He actually has us playing as a decent football side and brings us within striking distance of Top 4.
Now he’s not good enough and we need someone with more experience, bla bla bla.
It’s not his fault that 80% of his starting 11 got injured at the same time. Or that our “world class” keeper decided to summon his inner Roy Caroll at our most crucial point in the season.
Take these 2 factors out of the equation and we would have comfortably finished 3rd. Considering how we started this season that in itself should have been a miracle.
If anything Ole proved one thing: a good portion of the fans don’t care about this whole romantics bs. They simply want results now. And the funny thing is the same people praise Klopp for his amazing playing style, yet forget that pool finished 8th in his first season. And just a year ago his defense was as leaky as ours.
Before Ole was appointed every other fan was saying: I don’t care about winning, as long as we challenge for Top 4 and play some good football all is good.
In comes Ole who does both. He actually has us playing as a decent football side and brings us within striking distance of Top 4.
Now he’s not good enough and we need someone with more experience, bla bla bla.
It’s not his fault that 80% of his starting 11 got injured at the same time. Or that our “world class” keeper decided to summon his inner Roy Caroll at our most crucial point in the season.
Take these 2 factors out of the equation and we would have comfortably finished 3rd. Considering how we started this season that in itself should have been a miracle.
If anything Ole proved one thing: a good portion of the fans don’t care about this whole romantics bs. They simply want results now. And the funny thing is the same people praise Klopp for his amazing playing style, yet forget that pool finished 8th in his first season. And just a year ago his defense was as leaky as ours.
Young will stay one more season
Rojo will go
Fellaini has gone
Darmian will go
Valencia will go
And even you should understand that he can't let 15 players leave at once….Jones and Smalling arent good enough to be key-players, but they are good enough as back-up players.
He needs to tie down most of the players at least for a few years. If we let 10 players leave we will be desperate to sign anything that moves simply to get numbers in. Hardly a clever tactics when Jones and Smalling at least are good players (if not good enough)
As for youngsters - Mason Greenwood just turned 17 - what do you think would happen if we bench Rashford for Greenwood ? Do you Think Rashford will extend his contract ? Nah. And you could argue that it's not a problem if it's because Greenwood is better than Rashford, but he isnt'. He will be - but he is not at the moment.
Pretty soon we'll just have a managerial knockout situation. You lose, you go.
The strange thing is that some people here want OGS sacked - despite him saying exactly the same as the most critical United-fans are saying. We don't run enough, we don't have enough good players - but give me time and I will fix it. (add to that - what he is thinking is a lot stronger than what he is saying. He can't wait to ship a few of these players out)
So if we sign another manager - do you think he will turn a team that quite clearly isn't trained well enough, into the best trained team in the League without a single pre-season ?
If we sign another manager - do you Think he will turn Young, Perreira, Fred etc into World-class players ? But those are what is available at times.
Give him a pre-season to shape the team, give him a transfer window to get the players he wants….and by october/november - if it still looks really bad - then you can start complaining.
But this season was ruined long before OGS took charge. His brilliance is what almost saved this season - blame Mourinho, blame Woodward, blame the players - but you can't seriously blame OGS
So if we sign another manager - do you think he will turn a team that quite clearly isn't trained well enough, into the best trained team in the League without a single pre-season ?
If we sign another manager - do you Think he will turn Young, Perreira, Fred etc into World-class players ? But those are what is available at times.
Give him a pre-season to shape the team, give him a transfer window to get the players he wants….and by october/november - if it still looks really bad - then you can start complaining.
But this season was ruined long before OGS took charge. His brilliance is what almost saved this season - blame Mourinho, blame Woodward, blame the players - but you can't seriously blame OGS
We just need to relax and get off his back. We have done much better still after how Jose left us. Jose was right though, nobody can go anywhere with the squad we now possess. Every team and manager has made progress in other teams because they have added quality to their squad but we have had multiple managers with so many choices that we forget what football is. Example- Ole would've never sold Rooney but played him from the bench, Depay would still be a part of this squad as well and many other things.
We need to understand our board is not backing the manager and making stupid contractual moves by giving Smalling, Jones, Young and such people more years at the club even though they're not fit to play the kind of football we want them to play here. I hope the board backs Ole in removing all the deadwood and add quality players to this squad. Also we need a couple of proven winners who can keep pushing under pressure, hopefully a CB and a CM.
We need to understand our board is not backing the manager and making stupid contractual moves by giving Smalling, Jones, Young and such people more years at the club even though they're not fit to play the kind of football we want them to play here. I hope the board backs Ole in removing all the deadwood and add quality players to this squad. Also we need a couple of proven winners who can keep pushing under pressure, hopefully a CB and a CM.
Solskjaer was appointed as caretaker on December 19th. He was made permanent on March 28th
Smalling signed contract on December 15th
Jones signed contract on Feb 8th
Young signed contract on Feb 11th
So when Smalling signed contract, Solskjaer wasn't even the manager. It was during Jose time. When Jones and Young signed contract, Solskjaer was care taker manager with 10-11 games in charge. Its not like contract signing happens with just click of a button. It takes time, so the negotiations started before Solskjaer became manager and care taker manager with just 10 games in charge is hardly going to dictate who should be given contract extensions.
It's unrealistic to expect wholesale changes without even getting a transfer window. He has already made lot of tough calls and he can't throw out everyone without the backlash from players.
Sanchez, Mata, Lukaku are benched and few of them got few more starts because of injury crisis.
Valencia, Fellaini, Darmian are completely frozen out. Again Darmian got start because of injuries/suspensions to other FBs.
In the playing 11, only complaint would be playing Lingard and Young. With Young it's sort of ok as Dalot is not ready yet and was struggling even against West Ham at home. As a RW he looked fine but as a RB he needs bit of time.
He cant keep dropping every single player. Playing Greenwood instead of Rashford is something no manager will risk at this point. Of course fans are excited about the young talented player but he won't play as CF for first team from the word go. Like he is playing for first team, he will play as winger.
@roonster09 When Ole was made public, didn't we already know for a little while he was gonna be given the job anyway ? I think he had nothing to do with Smalling's contract still but he definitely something to say about the other 2 and for some reason I believe no one else was meant to be the manager other than him. This is why the club didn't even wait for the season to end before making permanent. Fans were fooled that a due process was gonna be applied.
It's because of previous managers and the last 6 years of sht people are already questioning Ole and it's a good thing. Yes we need to support the players, manager, club etc. But at some point enough is enough. We can't just keep sticking to the ream, manager or players based on the past. Oh they need time, give him a transfer window, not his players etc. Enough of the excuses. We all love Ole but the last 2 months has been garbage. Let's call a spade a spade.
People keep saying oh but Zidane. But are you telling me the Real Madrid fans wouldn't be protesting at this point?
I think the opposite. Fans should protest on mass. Am I being dramatic? No. Have you seen us? We have literally gone from being the elite to a fifth place team. Everton level. We are a joke. So what do we do? Stiff upper lip. Play the banjo even as we nearly hit rock bottom. It's ok lads. This time next year we will be Champions. No we won't.
People keep saying oh but Zidane. But are you telling me the Real Madrid fans wouldn't be protesting at this point?
I think the opposite. Fans should protest on mass. Am I being dramatic? No. Have you seen us? We have literally gone from being the elite to a fifth place team. Everton level. We are a joke. So what do we do? Stiff upper lip. Play the banjo even as we nearly hit rock bottom. It's ok lads. This time next year we will be Champions. No we won't.
He used the rhetorics about '99, SAF and all that other stuff for far too long IMO. Felt like a cheap car salesman at the end. And now, things look terrible.
But I do think there is something wrong with the squad and its mentality. I'd start with ditching Pogba.
But I do think there is something wrong with the squad and its mentality. I'd start with ditching Pogba.
He might have a say about other 2 but surely the contract negotiations happen for more than just 1-2 weeks? Also when they signed contract, it was before ManUtd won against Chelsea away, PSG away. Fans wanted him at that point but no one knows what club wanted and also how much say he had in contract extensions when he was even the permanent manager.
Lets just assume the negotiations took 1-2 weeks (before signing contract), so can any care taker manager have big say when he was in charge for just 1 month?
To answer on your question. Yes, i am one of those people who turned on him. It is because i don't care is he our legend or not. He is a legend as a player and he will be that always. As a manager, he starts from zero and my opinion about him is based on everything else except "he is our Ole" and "knows the club".
First of all, he didn't have any credentials to be coach of biggest club in England, especially in our situation where we need another rebuilding. Also in 5 months he didn't prove that he is up for this task. No pattern in game style at all, bad reactions during the game and complete lack of results in last 2 months. 5 months is enough to show some kind of progress and he didn't showed that.
Why he should be treated differently than Moyes? Because he scored 100 goals for us? Or than some players when we buy them? Every coach or player deserves support based on how he is doing his job. Man Utd is only important here. Not Ole, Jose, Pogba or Moyes. And my opinion is that he is not right man for us and that he is completely out of his depth for this job. His level is Molde. Sounds harsh, but imo, it is true. I can't "support" someone who is not doing good for my club. No matter is it Ole, Jose or lets say my fav player Andy Cole.
Also, these attacks on us who think that he should go, are out of order. It was normal thing to say what you want about Jose or Lvg from day one( i was in their camp till the last day so i know) but Ole is protected from that?
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Up from being where we were when he took over - only three points away from eleventh in the league and eight points behind fifth place - a solidified mid-table team way closer to the bottom half than the top four - to being within three points from a Champions League spot and also having the third best track record during this period bested only by Liverpool and City - looks terrible to you? And you would start by ditching one of the two players who's actually top class and also our best outfield performer? Who needs coffee these days - you guys crack me up so bad I start every day laughing my ballsack numb
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That’s nothing, I turned on Alex Ferguson when he was an egg, and I was some scattered DNA.
But he "knows the club" . The most overused and pointless phrase on here
. The most overused and pointless phrase on here