Fans are turning on Ole faster than they did on Moyes, LVG and Jose

I will admit I'm starting to be a little concerned, however the first half yesterday looked a step in the right direction. I think Ole is perhaps more under the spotlight due to the failures of the previous 3 managers, had he followed someone who had put a good system in place eg Sir Alex, people would be less quick to be concerned.

My thoughts on why people are questioning him:

1) He has stated about wanting players who want to play for the club/ everyone is under assessment etc but continues to play the out of form Rashford and to some extent De Gea. This raises the doubts of whether he has the strength to ship out players (not saying these 2 should be shipped out) or drop those not performing. I'd be intrigued to know who shipped out Fellaini. If it was Ole that is a positive. Again you could argue he is stuck with these players so it making a job with the resources he has but then you could ask why doesn't he play the youth, something he spoke about, again leading you to the question is he all talk but no action. Signs of possible "favourites" emerging eg "Rashy" seems very high on his list

2) The above leads to the question of will Ole be backed and trusted in his transfer decisions for who to ship out who to bring in? Obviously this is more a question of the club than Ole but the club wouldn't back Jose however we have to also look at the fact they did then a lot of his signings were poor.

3) If the club back Ole can he make the correct signings? It's all well and good giving him a huge transfer kitty but how is his eye for players? I'm concerned about previous signings eg Fred, will he have the right help in selecting the players? Will certain players eg Bale be forced onto him? Will he have the power to be able to say no and how they aren't suitable (as stated previously i dont want Bale its potentially Sanchez all over again but the links have already started) again not all on Ole but a potential factor. Also now we dont have top 4 will his draw be as strong given we have a relatively inexperienced manager and no CL football?

4) We now have 4 different manager's signings (including the ones left from SAF) what if Ole does fail and the new manager wants to sign different types of players? Do we start the whole cycle all over again, ending up with yet more deadwood

5) I haven't seen Ole with Molde and obviously only get to see the shots the TV cameras choose to show us but he looks to have quite a passive management style. Again not saying it's a bad thing but often it pans to him when we are struggling and he's sat down or talking things through with one of his assistants, it just feeds the notion he's a bit lost for ideas. It's harsh to compare but almost like Moyes looked at times. He also seems very much a yes man/ nice guy. Obviously again we dont know behind closed doors but does he have it in him to be ruthless?

6) His late substitutes. Again it just tends to point to the fact he isn't entirely sure tactically, however it could just be he doesn't trust the players on his bench

7) the fact the gulf between us and City/ Liverpool is so great, you wonder what sort of manager it will take to change that. Obviously not Ole's fault we are so far behind but look how Arsenal and Chelsea are also struggling even with experienced managers. It makes you think it will take a pretty special manager to close that gap, is Ole that guy? Again it may be there was no "better" option, look how few managers were suggested on here when we sacked Jose. Again it's natural to think what might have been had we got Pochettino, especially as he's got Tottenham into the CL semi finals, however they have also been on a poor run in the league and Ole had such a good run of results when he started if Pochettino had come in and done badly the same questions would start. Also Pochettino is using his team, Ole os using the previous 4 managers team

8) Ole's CV. Obviously we have had Jose and a CV doesn't mean everything. However it is such a massive step up, even though he has been successful with Molde, with United the expectations are massively different, the pressure is different, the funds are different. While I didn't want Moyes he did a decent job at Everton but the expectation and huge step up at United, with completely different priorities caused him to fail. We have been struggling for too long and fans are used to us at the very least challenging for the league, not struggling for top 4. Again due to the previous managers but the rebuilding job looks so great we do worry how long will we be in this position. If we see signs of progress when Ole starts to sign some of his players, fans will be patient, if further regression questions will be asked due to concerns we will be back in this position in say 1 or 2 years time. City and Liverpool could have progressed even further and clubs like Wolves could move ahead of us.

9) Rival fans seem glad we signed him. Never a good sign and However slightly affects your faith in him to do a good job. We want them to be afraid. Obviously would make any success he brings even sweeter.

10) the sheer scale of the rebuild job. We've seen experienced managers fail and the rebuild is now a whole lot bigger

I've tried to be balanced and really hope he succeeds, I'd love an experienced DOF to be put in place as it will give him extra support and hopefully counteract where his lack of experience could hinder him at times
 
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Seen this coming as soon as he was appointed full time, the squad is not good enough, not the Manager, the board is not good enough, CEO is not good enough, owners are not good enough. Not ole . Hes inexperienced at this level, but hasn't he showed he can get the best out of players.

He wasn't my first choice , but He's been given the job on merit, still think they should have waited till May, to give it. He deserves a transfer window, and then let's see. This squad is only 5-7 place side, it's been proved. Last season over achieved , and nothing coming in last summer to make any difference.. Ole needs at least a go.
 
We offered the job as he'd done incredibly, and behind the scenes players need to know who the manager is going to be. Both in terms of current players renewing, and new players being bandied about.

We're already crap at transfers, so giving every other club a big headstart could have been a disaster.
Obviously no one thought the drop off would be this huge.

There was absolutely no need to do this, do you honestly think we're far down the line with summer planning? Or that the players who have renewed wouldn't have done with an interim manager still? I think Martial is the only big one who has anyway, and he's been terrible since.

The club could very easily have waited, if they'd done so then they could have done a proper job and interviewed other candidates, or properly 'sound out' already in work managers, if at the end of that they still decided on Ole then fair enough, and the whole thing would have looked more thought out.
 
I think the Ole sceptics don't take the context appropriately into account. We were atrocious under later Mourinho with a toxic atmosphere. Ole comes in plays some good football and has the best start for a Utd manager ever and breaks (or equals) the club record for consecutive away wins. We then become the first team ever in European cup/Champions League history to go through after losing the first leg at at home by two goals. There's also beating Chelsea and Arsenal in consecutive FA Cup matches. Some have said this is just a new manager bounce but are their any new managers with comparable league form (cup ties are in general a different matter requiring more luck) over that number of games? I think it was 16 league games before he was made permanent.

Now, it is true we have now gone on a run of out worst form ever. The question is how much can be laid at Ole's feet? I haven't been happy with a quite a few line-ups but I did with Fergie. What is clear to all of us on here is that player recruitment and a coherent style of play have been completely off the last few years. Consequently, especially with injuries this will hamper performance. Some have said he doesn't know what is best team or have an overall identity but with this bunch of players that's no surprise.

If I was to choose a starting lineup ignoring current form and had balance as No.1 I think the side would be-

-----------Lukaku-----Rashford------
-----------Pogba-------Herrera--------
Young------------Matic-------------Dalot
-------Shaw----Lindelof--Smalling------
----------------------De Gea------------------

Not the most awe inspiring side ever.

Hiring him mid season also makes sense as he can see what he needs and over sea recruitment properly. One of the problems Moyes had is that he wanted time to properly assess the players before buying anyone. So Ole can hit the ground running in the first transfer window.

He clearly doesn't have massive experience but that failed the last three times. Also the number of high press playing and successful experienced coaches is basically just Pep and Klopp. Yes, Poch would have been an option but could well have been hard to prise away given our current situation. The rest of high press devotees are Bielsa (who to be fair I'd love) and a bunch of young Germans (oh and Sampioli). So those with experience there's not that many.

Finally, Ole is a legend and can hopefully have the influence to properly restructure the club to the move forward and be in for the long hall.
 
The negativity is fecking crazy and will disappear as quickly as it came when a fresh and fit squad starts winning games in August.

Sadly were going to have to listen to the moany entitled twats on here all summer though.
 
We've seen better football under him than we have under any of Moyes, LVG, Jose. That alone should point towards at least having a better approach to us than them, even if he's not as experienced. It was the football we've all wanted to see, which points to him knowing what we need to achieve that better than those who didn't know what they wanted to achieve nor what was needed. That's good enough reason in my opinion.

We tend to forget the good moments and only remember the bad times under the other managers, but there's no way we play bad football for the entire stay of those managers, in addition I think we played better under Mourinho for a spell than under Ole.

Just as an example remember the start of the 2017-218 season between august and october under Mourinho we went unbeaten for the first 12 games, winning 10 drawing 2, scoring 31 goals and receiving 4 goals. We we're in great form and we saw how that ended.

So excuse me if a couple of good games against lesser opossition and a great result with a big dose of luck against PSG doesnt not cheer me up or convince me that Ole deserves the confidence for the rebuilding specially seeing the last run of games and how tactically clueless he has showed.
 
Then sack them when it goes tits-up again? Without actually addressing the problems we have?

Who would you like that’s more experienced? Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho are available. As is David Moyes as it goes.

Those are two separate problems, no one is denying that the squad is weak and full of underachieving players and we need a rebuild, but the thing here is if Ole is the right person to do it, in my opinion he is not.

If we hadn't signed him a month ago would he still be the ideal candidate? Of course not, the comments of getting behind him as a manager and show full support are backed by optimism and loyalty but there's not much besides that.

Some managers available: Tuchel, Ancelotti, Luis Enrique.

I don't know if these are the ideal candidates, but for sure they would be a better choice to take over a rebuild.
 
FFS back him and enjoy the adventure under him!!! What made success in 99 so special for me, was the amount of setbacks we had against the like of Juventus in CL for many years, before that year we finally got the better of them, same as the first league win, it wasnt overnight success but built on a vision and set of principles.

The superstar era under Woodward has been a big fail, time to get back to what we are good at, developing the best young talent on and off the pitch, turning out decent human beings and talented footballers who give everything for MUFC.

There's plenty of time for all you 'football experts' for your I told you so moment at a later date, he has been in the job 2 minutes. I for one, will be backing him all the way, he has the best interests of the club at heart and he understands the standards we need to achieve, because he was part of MUFC at the very top, both as a player and as manager of U23's during this time as well - that counts for a great deal in my opinion.

Alexis, Pogba, Lukaku and co. ,can do one, as far Im concerned, they will always play for themselves and their attitude, along with the board are some of the biggest problems at the club.

Dalot, Lindelöf, Shaw, Marcus & Scotty McT need better role pro's and team mates around them. I wish Ander was staying, and I would back OGS to have made him captain next season.

There is no quick fix unfortunately, but good times will be back under OGS. If it doesn't come, then it doesn't come....
 
Probably because he's had a run worse than any of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho ever had.
 
We tend to forget the good moments and only remember the bad times under the other managers, but there's no way we play bad football for the entire stay of those managers, in addition I think we played better under Mourinho for a spell than under Ole.

Just as an example remember the start of the 2017-218 season between august and october under Mourinho we went unbeaten for the first 12 games, winning 10 drawing 2, scoring 31 goals and receiving 4 goals. We we're in great form and we saw how that ended.

So excuse me if a couple of good games against lesser opossition and a great result with a big dose of luck against PSG doesnt not cheer me up or convince me that Ole deserves the confidence for the rebuilding specially seeing the last run of games and how tactically clueless he has showed.


No, I remember the genuinely good performances (not just a run of wins). Ole already has as many as each of them, but with better football than they offered.
No one asked you be cheered up. I gave a reason why he deserves to have the money to spend, at least as much as anyone else has deserved it, if not more.
 
Mostly just angry Mourinho fans I think, or people who want Ole to fail so they can blame Woodward
 
I thought this warranted a separate thread.
I think Ole deserves a chance simply based on the fact that he knows the club, the players failed under the last managers and at this point there’s no shade of doubt that our shortcomings over the last half a decade are mainly due to the players not being good enough.

Whether or not he’s the right man I really don’t know, but the fact that fans are turning on him quicker than before is quite surprising to me.
Is it because of his lack of credentials? is it because the horrific form we’ve been on?

Fans also flocked to Oles credentials quicker than they did to Jose or LVG.
 
Probably because he's had a run worse than any of Moyes, LVG and Mourinho ever had.

They all went into things with a transfer window and at least 1 of their players signed. They got to prepare through preseason etc.

Ole has Mourinho's players and had a transfer window with no players coming in. So its really not fair to compare him without at least 1 signing like Moyes got in his first half season
 
Some people expressing doubt doesn't necessarily equate to people 'turning' on Ole.
 
Just idiots being idiots. All those people dead set on another manager will use every opportunity to be bitter, as will the Mourinho's die hard supporters.

Very nice, well argumented opinion. Insert one of: idiots, wankers, childs, then go on about "saying all the right things" and "he knows the united way" and you've got yourself a nice post while being a superior fan and also "supporting the club". I've yet to see someone in the Ole's doubters camp to resort to these kind of insults to support their opinions.

Also, what is the point of a forum if not to discuss different opinions? Should everyone just log in just to say how much they support the club and how well the players played even when putting crap performances most of the time? I swear there are some player performances threads where it is an adventure to say something negative no matter how bad they play or for how long.
 
There was games during our great run where we could (and perhaps should) have lost, but for De Gea. There was games during our poor run where we could (and perhaps should) have won, but for poor finishing. In the end, it's more of an indictment on the players than Ole's competency.
One thing with which we ought all be agreement on is that the implementation of any preferential system is incumbent upon the players at his disposal to pull it off. In the case of Klopp, he inherited some decent players who just happened to have fantastic work ethic and stamina, and therefore his system always had a chance to be effective from the get go. For us it's different. Rashford and Herrera aside, few in this team have the level of physical endurance to play out Ole's desired approach, which is why one or two transfer windows is necessary for consistent improvements.
 
Those players finished above Liverpool in the league last season, and had an unbelievable run of form this season. A good summer of reflection and a settled squad who want to be at utd with no distractions will help. The champions league for me is a gigantic distraction if we can't compete. Good riddance.
 
Giving a rookie Ole a structure to support him bring us back is what he needs, and what we need ultimately.
Instead we are about to give him 100-200m to spend in pretty much the same fashion as his predecessors.
It's stir crazy when you think about it. What has he done and why should he possibly be remotely capable of doing that well. That's just not how top clubs do it anymore. Our scounting dept have not really excelled in recent years so what's changed for this summer?
 
Noticed that some posters use this sentence as opening before they express their concerns regarding Ole as a manager or sharing certain issues they have with his management.

Its really fecked up if they feel a need to do so, so they dont get marked as Ole out type, impatient child etc. and targeted by those who act like they levitate above rest of us with their "Ole at the wheel" banners. Roaming on this forum, presenting them self as full supportive, acting calm and collected, they have seen it and know it all, its like dealing with bunch of 3 eyed ravens, fake motherfeckers. At least newbies have a good reason to fake and have a go at members, they need those likes for promotion.
Excellent post
 
Those are two separate problems, no one is denying that the squad is weak and full of underachieving players and we need a rebuild, but the thing here is if Ole is the right person to do it, in my opinion he is not.

If we hadn't signed him a month ago would he still be the ideal candidate? Of course not, the comments of getting behind him as a manager and show full support are backed by optimism and loyalty but there's not much besides that.

Some managers available: Tuchel, Ancelotti, Luis Enrique.

I don't know if these are the ideal candidates, but for sure they would be a better choice to take over a rebuild.
None of them are ‘available’ they’re all under contract at PSG, Napoli and Spain respectively.

It’s interesting you mention Tuchel and Luis Enrique, both of who were appointed to big jobs at Dortmund and Barcelona without every having achieved very much in their managerial careers.

Didn’t work out too badly, did it.
 
Well, it was the hope that killed them, especially the hope that he was waving a magic wand and everything was better.

They're angry at themselves more than Ole.
 
De Gea has carried this team since Fergie left and many are already turning on him
 
Because that's what usually follows after new manager bounce. There are some great examples in PL like big Sam where he always starts strong and saves team from relegation then turns to shit.
Why stop there? When a club is underperforming it is usually a reason for it, and usually it's not only on the manager alone. When a new manager comes in after the previous one was fired, a bounce is expected, attributed to the new manager. My question is, then if things almost always gets worse after that initial bounce, isn't that also part of the pattern? Why is only the early upswing but not the downfall later mentioned in these repeated scenarios, when they clearly are intertwined. Logically, shouldn't it then be attributed to the problems stemming from the previous stints, rather than the new manager failing after a short time with the squad? Especially after performing good initially?
 
Never wanted Moyes here, I was firmly in the “Anyone but Moyes” camp.

But still, took time until most people started questioning him.
Surely Ole deserves more leeway than Moyes?

Ole has achieved less as a manager than Moyes had when he took over at United. Nevertheless I would give ole way more time than that Charlatan.

Let's get behind him and show ourselves to be the great fan base we are. Who knows it may turn out great in the long run.
 
Excellent post

Is it? All I'm seeing is someone who's obviously frustrated calling out everybody who doesn't share his pessimistic views, calling them fake motherfeckers. If anything I'd say that's pretty poor and quite frankly a bit hypocritical. He's saying people are acting like they know it all (3 eyed ravens) simply because they support Ole unlike him, but by calling them fake motherfeckers he's the one acting like a know it all because he couldn't possibly know what people are really thinking or feeling. At first I found the post pretty funny because I thought he was joking, but now I realize he probably wasn't and it's just a poor post born out of frustration. Oh well.
 
A few has turned on him but not alot. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as it should be, but most have his full support. What I find interesting is that at reddit you see the same trend but those posts get downvoted by the majority that disagree. The oponent yells louder (as it should be don't get me wrong) and it might be more tempting to post as an oponent.

He's got the support at OT and even the reporters are giving him a few transfer windows before judging properly. Player stats proves that a proper pre-season will help and there will be transfers this summer. All he has said regarding transfer sounds promising (young exceptional players, not old ones going for fame and money, etc etc). I think he will be very successful here!
 
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I have mentioned this previously, but I don't know why Ole gets so much stick for inexperience. Obviously you cannot compare Molde to Manchester United, but on the pitch the same set of basics apply - as long as it's a relatively level playing field. The Norwegian league is the level of the Scottish (or you could say better since Molde beat Celtic a couple of years ago). Now Ole goes to Molde and wins the league for the first time in a hundred years and defends the title the year after. If Poch or Pep etc. had gone to, lets say, Hibernian and done the same thing, would we all be saying it's just a farmers league and it proves nothing? Obviously the size and stature of worldMolde areand Manchester United are worlds apart, but I never doubted that Ole has what it takes to run a team. Since I have relatives in Molde, I now hear that the players Ole brought in before he came here, are already walking the league...
 
Main problem for me is that I was vocally against Moyes from the start, and a lot of my reasons for that can be applied to Ole in an even bigger way. And then there's the decisions he's been making lately with Rashford, Lingard, Young, Smalling, Jones. I spent most of this season criticising Jose for picking 'his guys' despite the fact that they were playing crap, and Ole is doing the same right now.

That said, two games left in the season now and it's too late to change anything now after the board did their premature ejaculation by appointing Ole mid-season. They have to back him strongly in the summer and we can see what he's really made off next season. Sacking him now is pointless because even though there are concerns, he hasn't had a chance to implement his ideas fully. If things don't improve next season, then we can talk.
 
You can see the look of regret on Woodward’s face every time the cameras cut to him during a game. Just remove the emotional attachment to Ole and judge him on the football & tactics and you can understand the concerns.
How does a regretful Woodward look like?
 
I said at the time that I thought it was too soon, but I'll be behind him for as long as he's here. There's definitely an issue with the players that I think he'll try to sort out, whether that's enough, I don't know..
 
When will all the idiots realise that it's Ed Woodward and the cancerous parasites (Glazers) who need to go?

Can change managers a million times. We are going nowhere with Ed at the helm and the only way to get him out is the club to be sold.
 
Ole has achieved less as a manager than Moyes had when he took over at United. Nevertheless I would give ole way more time than that Charlatan.

Let's get behind him and show ourselves to be the great fan base we are. Who knows it may turn out great in the long run.

Really?

I’d like to see Moyes win the league with Norwegian minnows (minnows who had NEVER won the league until Ole showed up, by the way) and get them into Europe.
 
I said at the time that I thought it was too soon, but I'll be behind him for as long as he's here. There's definitely an issue with the players that I think he'll try to sort out, whether that's enough, I don't know..

There's a bigger issue with the buffoons running the club. That's the biggest problem at the club. We won't win the title again under the Glazers. That's my bold prediction. Now Fergie is gone they have nobody to get them out of the brown stuff.
 
Because he has far less body of work. It makes total sense.
 
Good times will be back, but if they don’t then they don’t :lol:
That is funny because...

I believe in what he is trying to do, it could work it may not, if you are a true fan of the club then just fecking support him
 
None of them are ‘available’ they’re all under contract at PSG, Napoli and Spain respectively.

It’s interesting you mention Tuchel and Luis Enrique, both of who were appointed to big jobs at Dortmund and Barcelona without every having achieved very much in their managerial careers.

Didn’t work out too badly, did it.
I mentioned them because they are "gettable" in my opinion not because they're disemployed, they might not had won anything major (besides Luis Enrique winning La Liga) but you can see their work, the teams they manage have their footprint you can recognize their football style the one we lack very much under Ole.
 
That is funny because...

I believe in what he is trying to do, it could work it may not, if you are a true fan of the club then just fecking support him

It’s funny because you say with such certainty that the good times will be back, followed immediately by ‘if it doesn’t work, oh well’.

Have I said anything about not supporting him?
 
Really? I think having a club legend as the manager has actually meant more people are outing Woodward for the clown he is and getting on the players backs than with previous managers.
 
No, I remember the genuinely good performances (not just a run of wins). Ole already has as many as each of them, but with better football than they offered.
No one asked you be cheered up. I gave a reason why he deserves to have the money to spend, at least as much as anyone else has deserved it, if not more.

Are you being serious? seriously do you think Ole has the same good performances in 6 months than LVG and Mourinho in two and three years respectively?

Let me recall game by game with Ole.

vs Cardiff 5-1 Won - Good
vs Huddersfield 3-1 Won - Good
vs Bornemouth 3-1 Won - Good
vs Newcastle2-0 Won - Regular
vs Reading 2-0 Won - Poor
vs Tottenham 1-0 Won - Regular
vs Brighton 2-1 Won - Regular
vs Arsenal 3-1 Won - Great
vs Burnley 2-2 Tie - Poor
vs Leicester 1-0 Won - Regular
vs Fulham 3-0 Won - Good
vs PSG 2-0 Lost - Poor
vs Chelsea 2-0 Won - Great
vs Liverpool 0-0 Tie - Regular
vs Crystal Palace 3-1 Won - Good
vs Southampton 3-2 Won - Regular
vs PSG 3-1 Won - Great
vs Arsenal 2-0 Lost - Good
vs Wolves 2-1 Lost - Poor
vs Watford 2-1 Won - Poor
vs Wolves 2-1 Lost - Poor
vs Barcelona 1-0 Lost - Regular
vs West Ham 2-1 Won - Regular
vs Barcelona 3-0 Lost - Poor
vs Everton 4-0 Lost - Worst I can remember
vs Man City 2-0 Lost - Poor
vs Chelsea 1-1 Tie - Poor

IMO under Ole we've had 3 great games, 6 good games, 8 regular games and 10 poor games. I think anybody can remember at least 10 great/good games under LVG and Mourinho.