Fans are turning on Ole faster than they did on Moyes, LVG and Jose

Any actual examples of the fans that are turning on Ole then?
 
If you're not sure in his managerial abilities feel free to say it. We've seen this movie thrice already, the top reds start off defending the manager viciously with "get behind the manager" then eventually change to "I'm not sure anymore" to "he's clueless" by which time we are well into wasting a new campaign because we needed 8 months to confirm what the rest of the football world could see
 
Greck said:
If you're not sure in his managerial abilities feel free to say it. We've seen this movie thrice already, the top reds start off defending the manager viciously with "get behind the manager" then eventually change to "I'm not sure anymore" to "he's clueless" by which time we are well into wasting a new campaign because we needed 8 months to confirm what the rest of the football world could see
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So basically what you’re saying is that no manager should ever get a chance here if he had lost a couple of games?
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
At least give him until 3-4 months into next season when he's got new signings, his methods are implemented properly etc;
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That’s what I want too but from a club perspective they’re about to invest a huge amount of money into the squad with question marks over the manager, it’s a bad situation.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
So basically what you’re saying is that no manager should ever get a chance here if he had lost a couple of games?
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I'm saying what was in my first sentence "if you're not sure feel free to express it". Huge leap to translate that to don't give any manager a chance at all. The rest need to learn to tolerate different opinions. There are a lot of reasonable doubters. It's not all pitchforks and scapegoating
 
Greck said:
If you're not sure in his managerial abilities feel free to say it. We've seen this movie thrice already, the top reds start off defending the manager viciously with "get behind the manager" then eventually change to "I'm not sure anymore" to "he's clueless" by which time we are well into wasting a new campaign because we needed 8 months to confirm what the rest of the football world could see
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Isn't this something the board is the one to be blamed for not the fans ? I mean fans on internet defending the manager isn't the thing that keeps him so long in his job.
 
I have yet to see any group of fans turn on him, there are always some outliers though.

He has no track record, which is a blessing and a curse in that he's an unknown. Winning stuff with Molde and relegation with some relegation favourites doesn't really say anything about his relevance for us.

Let's see what the summer brings
 
Thats because Lvg and Jose had resumes Ole could only dream of having.
Its hardly unreasonable to want to give managers that have won multiple league titles and elite trophies more time than a man thats relegated a team and won one single trophy in a farmers league in Norway
 
Castia said:
That’s what I want too but from a club perspective they’re about to invest a huge amount of money into the squad with question marks over the manager, it’s a bad situation.
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It is, but what are the alternatives? I'm not sure there's a manager who we can hire who'd be a sure thing to turn us around over one summer.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
I thought this warranted a separate thread.
I think Ole deserves a chance simply based on the fact that he knows the club, the players failed under the last managers and at this point there’s no shade of doubt that our shortcomings over the last half a decade are mainly due to the players not being good enough.

Whether or not he’s the right man I really don’t know, but the fact that fans are turning on him quicker than before is quite surprising to me.
Is it because of his lack of credentials? is it because the horrific form we’ve been on?
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RC, Twitter, social media, and the fans from US, China, India et al are not the people who matter, as much as they'd like to think they are. The fans at the ground are, and he retains their backing which is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

The players and the board will be the ones who will get it in the neck while Ole is in charge. There is literally no hiding place for them now. Whereas before they could blame LVG, Moyes and Jose, now they have a Utd man to answer to, who lives and breathes the club as opposed to a careerist like his predecessors were. There is literally zero chance of the fans ever turning on him.
 
Well he has presided over our worst run of form in nearly 60 years. Ultimately I can’t hold him completely responsible but it still isn’t good enough and if he hadn’t already been appointed I doubt he would’ve got the job.
 
It's fairly reasonable to doubt Ole since he has nothing to show that he's capable to lead us towards the success. The squad isn't good. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt as it would be a dream for someone like Solskjaer to be successful here but on the other hand he could sign 3 or 4 players on 5 year contracts and 1 year down the line a new manager comes in and doesn't want them.

If the club waited until the end of the season, I doubt he would have got the job.

If next season he starts a lot of games with Rashford, Matic, Lingard, Smalling and Young it will be more of the same if not worse.
 
el3mel said:
Isn't this something the board is the one to be blamed for not the fans ? I mean fans on internet defending the manager isn't the thing that keeps him so long in his job.
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Nah thats not the point of the writeup. In the context of the current discussion the point of that post is opposite opinions have merit because even the unpopular opinions might be the popular ones down the line.
 
Greck said:
Nah thats not the point of the writeup. In the context of the current discussion the point of that post is opposite opinions have merit because even the unpopular opinions might be the popular ones down the line.
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Fair point.
 
I would ask the OP to list those posters turning on Ole or wanting him out (criticizing him does not equate to Ole out), but then I also recall the “he should never have been given the job in the first place” thread.
 
haram said:
What would we think if Arsenal hired Henry or Viera and we saw the same thing happening? People have no idea what Solskjaer is actually doing, or going to do.
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Agreed... particularly given the season was a write-off when he took over.
 
Worst run of form since 1962 from a manager who’s only experience of top flight football (Norwegian league’s standard is worse than championship level) resulted in him relegating Cardiff, and who’s qualifications amount to “club legend” and “knows what the club is about”, playing some dreadful stuff, and that bagged the job on the back of three months of form in which plenty results happened against the run of play...but if you question him, you’re labelled everything from “wanker” to “kid” to “idiot” to “drama junkie” among other things (as evidenced by this thread).

people are supposed to believe he’s the man to rebuild United through the strength and spirit of “putting smiles back on faces” and “saying all the right things”. Oh and because he needs a preseason to get the fitness right.

you hate to see it.
 
Because people are sick and tired of this shit.
 
TsuWave said:
Worst run of form since 1962 from a manager who’s only experience of top flight football (Norwegian league’s standard is worse than championship level) resulted in him relegating Cardiff, and who’s qualifications amount to “club legend” and “knows what the club is about”, playing some dreadful stuff, and that bagged the job on the back of three months of form in which plenty results happened against the run of play...but if you question him, you’re labelled everything from “wanker” to “kid” to “idiot” to “drama junkie” among other things (as evidenced by this thread).

people are supposed to believe he’s the man to rebuild United through the strength and spirit of “putting smiles back on faces” and “saying all the right things”. Oh and because he needs a preseason to get the fitness right.

you hate to see it.
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This post is a great example for those who don’t think fans are turning against Ole already.

Of course posts like this invariably come from people dead set against his appointment in the first place. And yes, I very much doubt they’re in any way representative of the average matchgoing fan.
 
I just don't think Ole unanimously had the backing of all fans to get the job. It was unexpected the announcement, I still don't think he will do well here in the long term but still stand behind him / team.
 
rotherham_red said:
RC, Twitter, social media, and the fans from US, China, India et al are not the people who matter, as much as they'd like to think they are. The fans at the ground are, and he retains their backing which is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't think Woodward would agree with that statement. It's the global fan-base that puts the money into the pockets of the Glazers.
 
ash_86 said:
You can't throw kids into the first team full time at the tail end of the season straight from the academy. They have to be part of the pre-season camp and the integration starts from there. It will cause more harm than good if they keep loosing matches and are looking clueless. Regarding transfers, Ole clealy told there are several players that aren't good enough. He cannot publicly say that half the squad wont be here next when we're in midst of the battle for top 4. I think there will be a major clearout. We'll buy 5 first team regulars and add couple from the academy. 7-8 new players to the squad is still a lot of players and we all accept the clearout can't take place in 1 summer.
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Id rather see us giving kids who will give their 100% for us then insist on guys who want the manager to fail so they get another manager who'll come with his usual 'benefit of the doubt' period BS. Sure the manager need to reassure them that mistakes are natural especially at their age. But that's part of management as well.
 
Its a difficult situation to say the least.

I'd be interested to know how Ole feels deep down as to whether he would have taken the job had he known the enormity of the task in hand, despite all his love for the club.

He will have to start next season with at least 3-4 players who get slaughtered on here most weeks, such is the state of the first team, which will inevitably lead to criticism in some quarters, despite the fact there's little or no alternative as Rome wasn't built in a day. We can't do a Fulham and bring in 7 or 8 first team players!

The main thing I'll be looking/hoping for is some sort of style and substance. Quite happy to finish 6/7th or worse next season if we can see a "team" and a strategy taking shape.

However, if we continue to look as clueless and lethargic as we did in the second half yesterday, come the turn of the year, he'll be gone and we'll continue on this nightmare merry-go-round until Ed goes or the Glazers feck off.

Not saying that's what i want by any stretch, that's just a realistic view in my opinion.
 
Turning would imply i wanted him in the first place, which i didnt. But now he is here and we might as well do the best we can in the situation we are in. He has my backing. I am however still corncerned about some of his tactics and substitutions. And his insistance in putting all his eggs in the Rashford basket will ultimately be his downfall im afraid.

I would love to be proven wrong howerever, but i doubt it.
 
I think it's actually the opposite. Seems like most fans are putting all the blame on the players. I really feel this wouldn't be the case under Moyes or LVG.
 
There is nothing, no supporting evidence to demonstrate Ole has any kind of managerial nous, identity, and ability .

People with blind faith really need to stop calling others idiots.
 
Moriarty said:
I don't think Woodward would agree with that statement. It's the global fan-base that puts the money into the pockets of the Glazers.
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The global fanbase is not the gauge of fan feeling. It's the ones who put their money where their mouth is and go to the games, home and away. It wasn't the months of Twitter complaints from @BeijingUtd or @Kaushal4Utd4Eva that got Moyes, LVG, or Mourinho sacked. It was the lack of CL qualification.
 
Take away his name, forget that he’s a ex player with a legend status. Look past his nice personality, his diplomatic persona and just judge his results and what we see his team do on the pitch. That’s the hard part.

Taking everything into account, including our first ten games, our run of bad results after the PSG game, the way we sometimes park the bus, that we after five months still look out of shape, that some players has regressed under his command, that we still haven’t found our best starters line up and that several key players, according to reports wants out, then it isn’t a surprise that some of us are skeptical about the situation.

For me this situation reminds me of the Moyes fiasco. If you’re not with him you’re against. Nothing in between.
 
You can see the look of regret on Woodward’s face every time the cameras cut to him during a game. Just remove the emotional attachment to Ole and judge him on the football & tactics and you can understand the concerns.
 
R'hllor said:
Noticed that some posters use this sentence as opening before they express their concerns regarding Ole as a manager or sharing certain issues they have with his management.

Its really fecked up if they feel a need to do so, so they dont get marked as Ole out type, impatient child etc. and targeted by those who act like they levitate above rest of us with their "Ole at the wheel" banners. Roaming on this forum, presenting them self as full supportive, acting calm and collected, they have seen it and know it all, its like dealing with bunch of 3 eyed ravens, fake motherfeckers. At least newbies have a good reason to fake and have a go at members, they need those likes for promotion.
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You might not have followed my posts but I am not the sort of guy who is in search of approvals. I criticised SAF for insisting on the old guard when they growing erm old, I called the class of 92 overrated (there's 3 WC players in those bunch but the rest are pretty pretty average) and I think Keane is a bit loco if you know what I mean.

What I said about Ole is what I think. I love Ole. He's genuine, he's a true servant of the club and he's not some pompous prick who expect the club to give him everything he asks for simply because he kicked the ball at a time when we were successful.
 
rotherham_red said:
The global fanbase is not the gauge of fan feeling. It's the ones who put their money where their mouth is and go to the games, home and away. It wasn't the months of Twitter complaints from @BeijingUtd or @Kaushal4Utd4Eva that got Moyes, LVG, or Mourinho sacked. It was the lack of CL qualification.
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United have spent a great deal of time and capital cultivating the global fan-base. The Manchester United brand is known throughout the world. We play pre-season games in Australia, the USA, and China and we sell tons of merchandise in those places. Our sponsors reap the benefit of this too. Of course the club is going to keep a weather eye on what's going on with them and what they're saying or, more importantly, what they're buying.
 
I don't think it will ever reach that point. Ole will probably walk away and resign himself if he knows he cannot handle the job some point down the line. He has too much love and respect from the club and fans for it to happen both ways
 
I can't say with 100% certainty that Ole will be a success in the long run - but I am 99% certain that if he leaves United within 2 years, the club will be in a much better position than when he took over.

Much of the deadwood will be gone and a lot of talented youngster will have been brought in
 
Josh 76 said:
I turned on Moyes the day It was confirmed he was going to be the manager of Utd.
We are still paying the price for that feck up.
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Same with me. I have been against Solksjaer ever since his appointment was made permanent. He was the perfect interim manager but no way he is equipped with deal with the full blown re building of us.

I don't get why people want to give him a chance just because he was an amazing player for us, would you people be happy if Neville or Giggs was appointed?
 
There were people waiting in the wings to criticise him after our first loss to PSG. It's crazy to judge him on this period when he started so well and hasn't had a chance to get any players in yet.
 
There was absolutely no need to announce Ole when they did. Even if they had made their minds up they should’ve waited until the season played out. We had so much momentum and positively going and the announcement rocked the boat. Shocking decision by management to announce him permanent when they did
 
This is not true. Just because you see people on the Caf raising legitimate concerns and others being sick to death of the Glazers and Woodward severely mishandling our club doesn't mean fans have turned on Ole.
 
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