Bernie used to decry the fact that the Government wouldn't help Silverstone and pointed to how almost every other country helps their track but they did make it work in the end. I like the idea of being sustainable and self sufficient or at least an historic track and large country with the interest in the sport making it work.
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Formula 1 and FIA make millions up millions in profit. Paying each track on the calender a £1million a season (rather than charging them to host a F1 race), is chump change to the sport, but alot of money for the tracks not backed by oil money. As long as the money was spent on improving the track and facilities I don't see why they could do this (mainly cause MBS would rather the money went into his own slush fund I presume).
I think the European approach to requiring these things to be more self sustaining makes a lot of sense to me but unfortunately in a world where you compete against nations where big money is more prevalent in getting the government to do their bidding you will lose out. It's a fecked up system. Id love to not have tax money and tax breaks going directly to funding billionaire owned facilities. It's very unfortunate though - F1 without old school European tracks is no F1 to me.
I rather watch the passion at places like Zandvoort, Monza, Silverstone etc than the manufactured bs on display elsewhere. Hell knowing this will move off the calendar has me pretty convinced im going to try and make it over there next year so I can still experience it. I've been to Spa before but for a viewer the small footprint of Zandvoort seems like it would be more entertaining.
I rather watch the passion at places like Zandvoort, Monza, Silverstone etc than the manufactured bs on display elsewhere. Hell knowing this will move off the calendar has me pretty convinced im going to try and make it over there next year so I can still experience it. I've been to Spa before but for a viewer the small footprint of Zandvoort seems like it would be more entertaining.
It's the reason Hockenheim doesn't exist anymore as a weekend. While everyone was losing money I thought it acceptable for the hosts to lose money too. Now, with F1 being a spec series cash cow, why accept it any longer?
Crazy to think there's not a Grand Prix in Germany now. I just love the Nurburgring ring GP track. The old Hockenheim I adore too, I wasn't sad to see the short version go though and I do recall low attendances so maybe not so crazy but perhaps the venue wasn't exciting for the Germans either and was the interest so reliant on German drivers? There's so much motorsport and industry, big attendances in football like the UK so you'd think they can have their Silverstone or Monza and fill out a big venue.
MBS can feck the feck off. Can't see how anyone who isn't getting any brown envelopes under the table wants him anywhere near the sport.
I don't disagree. It certainly highlights the choice of F1 circuits now, motivated by government/public subsidy first and then secondary whether FOM can run the race themselves (Las Vegas). The sprint race format suggests the choice of locations for this year is directly linked to the circuits where attendance from 2023 looked to be down from the prior year (Brazil being an outlier in that).
From what I've heard he's unlikely to go anywhere. There's new elections in 2025 but apparently he's the only contender so far. Which is weird because with all the criticism he's been getting lately you'd think someone would fancy their chances.
Another one bites the dust, not F1 related but more than likely linked...
If they lose any more the new race director will be MBS's left nut with a smiley face drawn on.
There's clearly something going on there which multiple people don't like and are leaving over.
Russell not holding back on Verstappen with his comments. Especially the bits about Red Bull engineers looking elsewhere thanks to his outbursts.
Can't wait for next year now. Mercedes hopefully can join a legitimate title fight, though secretly I wish Ferrari can run away with it. Leclerc deserves a Championship capable car, the guy has been phenomenal this year
Can't wait for next year now. Mercedes hopefully can join a legitimate title fight, though secretly I wish Ferrari can run away with it. Leclerc deserves a Championship capable car, the guy has been phenomenal this year
Yeah, it's all private investment. They're thinking that it works now financially because of Verstappen's pull, and they're not sure it will if anything would change in his situation. So I guess they don't want to take the risk that Verstappen has left or is in a non-competition team during the next contract period.
he’s gone up in my estimation. maybe he does have the fight for a championship battle next season. he’s spot on about max as well.
I'm not a Russell fan but he's said a lot that needed to be said there, but lets be honest this is exactly what F1 needed, a proper personal feud. It's been too tame since 2021.
Good for you Russel! Max & Horner are completely out of order and have been acting like bullies for far too long.
Ironically it'll still be able to interpret the lapped cars under the safety car rule.
So Russell gets called out by Max for his antics, pretty much the entire planet including the likes of Alonso and fellow Brits Button and Norris agrees that Max should never have gotten a penalty (let alone an extra penalty point on his licence), and now all of a sudden Russell is coming out with stories about how Max told him he would put him in the wall? Looks like the little snake's trying his hardest to save face 
Just sounds like they're both bellends which is nothing new.So Russell gets called out by Max for his antics, pretty much the entire planet including the likes of Alonso and fellow Brits Button and Norris agrees that Max should never have gotten a penalty (let alone an extra penalty point on his licence), and now all of a sudden Russell is coming out with stories about how Max told him he would put him in the wall? Looks like the little snake's trying his hardest to save face
https://racingnews365.com/verstappen-contradicts-russell-over-crash-threat?utm_source
Max contradicts what Russell said.
“That's already not true,” Verstappen told select media including RacingNews365. “I didn't walk in [to the stewards' meeting] swearing at all either.
“Things like that don't surprise me though. Look, I'm just clearly expressing my opinion about how he is.
“It's the same thing he did to the stewards, lying and sticking things together that don't make sense.”
Russell also claimed Verstappen has been a “bully” on the grid for several years, leading the four-time champion to reverse the suggestion
“And he screws over his friends,” Verstappen asserted.
“You shouldn't really talk too much about people like that either. They're just losers. I don't care anyway, they're all doing just fine.”
More quotes in the link above.
Max contradicts what Russell said.
“That's already not true,” Verstappen told select media including RacingNews365. “I didn't walk in [to the stewards' meeting] swearing at all either.
“Things like that don't surprise me though. Look, I'm just clearly expressing my opinion about how he is.
“It's the same thing he did to the stewards, lying and sticking things together that don't make sense.”
Russell also claimed Verstappen has been a “bully” on the grid for several years, leading the four-time champion to reverse the suggestion
“And he screws over his friends,” Verstappen asserted.
“You shouldn't really talk too much about people like that either. They're just losers. I don't care anyway, they're all doing just fine.”
More quotes in the link above.
I mean it'll come out in the wash in February, it was reported on Sunday that Drive to Survive picked up this incident between the two of them in the holding room prior to drivers parade.So Russell gets called out by Max for his antics, pretty much the entire planet including the likes of Alonso and fellow Brits Button and Norris agrees that Max should never have gotten a penalty (let alone an extra penalty point on his licence), and now all of a sudden Russell is coming out with stories about how Max told him he would put him in the wall? Looks like the little snake's trying his hardest to save face
The BBC article reads that Max swore at Russell after leaving the stewards room
"Russell said that after they left the stewards' room in Qatar after qualifying, Verstappen swore while saying he would "purposefully go out of his way to crash into me and put me on my head in the wall".
"Russell said that after they left the stewards' room in Qatar after qualifying, Verstappen swore while saying he would "purposefully go out of his way to crash into me and put me on my head in the wall".
We pray that Russell and Max end up next to each other on the grid.
Well if they have it on video you can be sure they'll put that in
I doubt Max actually said that but Russel is smart for putting it out there. Eyes will be on Max like always anyway, and whenever the inevitable happens (should they both be near the front for a prolonged period) George can claim that it was deliberate.
Wish Lewis wasn't so media trained/controlled bc I have a feeling he probably has some strong thoughts about George being a donkey as well.
Hell - Charles and Lando were snickering when Max said what he said last week so I am guessing they aren't exactly George fans either. Can't wait for the documentaries in about 10-20 years about this era of F1
Both drivers are arguably in the wrong tho: George is being a little bitch for asking for a penalty and Max should have just left it at some of his initial comments. Instead we get enough fuel for the next round of media engagement. Anytime Max is involved is a gold mine. Only thing that bothers me is George going back to bringing up 21 again. Dude is riding Lewis's coattails so desperately time and time again.
Also Nando throwing fuel on the fire is so Nando, though his entire quote is actually very fair to both of you read past the headlines. He defends George as a person but basically agrees with Max the penalty wasn't fair.
Lando's comments are the best though: "I respect Max a lot, I respect George a lot, but I don't mind if they lose respect for one another". Seems like he finally learned.
Dumbest comment this week so far though have to go to Checo re his performance and it ll fly under the radar. Though he maybe has a tiny bit of a point about the performance of the car and team. Either way I cant imagine he ll be long for the team after that.
Hell - Charles and Lando were snickering when Max said what he said last week so I am guessing they aren't exactly George fans either. Can't wait for the documentaries in about 10-20 years about this era of F1
Both drivers are arguably in the wrong tho: George is being a little bitch for asking for a penalty and Max should have just left it at some of his initial comments. Instead we get enough fuel for the next round of media engagement. Anytime Max is involved is a gold mine. Only thing that bothers me is George going back to bringing up 21 again. Dude is riding Lewis's coattails so desperately time and time again.
Also Nando throwing fuel on the fire is so Nando, though his entire quote is actually very fair to both of you read past the headlines. He defends George as a person but basically agrees with Max the penalty wasn't fair.
Lando's comments are the best though: "I respect Max a lot, I respect George a lot, but I don't mind if they lose respect for one another". Seems like he finally learned.
Dumbest comment this week so far though have to go to Checo re his performance and it ll fly under the radar. Though he maybe has a tiny bit of a point about the performance of the car and team. Either way I cant imagine he ll be long for the team after that.
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Depends on your definition of smart. If Max hasn't said what George says he has he'd be open to a defamation suit if Max wanted to go that route (which I'm sure he doesn't), it's that bad. He's spinning a huge fantasy story, even going back to 2021 (with a hugely biased view of course) and making stuff up about how Masi would have to fear for his life if the roles were reversed. It all reads as a very obvious attempt to clear his name and shift the attention to Max. I'd be surprised if what he says is true though I'd also be surprised if Max hasn't called him a cnut to his face after that meeting
i reckon jos threatened to smack george’s girlfriend.Depends on your definition of smart. If Max hasn't said what George says he has he'd be open to a defamation suit if Max wanted to go that route (which I'm sure he doesn't), it's that bad. He's spinning a huge fantasy story, even going back to 2021 (with a hugely biased view of course) and making stuff up about how Masi would have to fear for his life if the roles were reversed. It all reads as a very obvious attempt to clear his name and shift the attention to Max. I'd be surprised if what he says is true though I'd also be surprised if Max hasn't called him a cnut to his face after that meeting
That's more plausible than George's story tbf
But Max doesn’t even fully deny it does he - “I didn't say it like that. He's trying to exaggerate it again."?
So, he’s presumably accepting that he said something about deliberately crashing into George. Otherwise, he’d just deny it. All he says is that George has exaggerated it.
So, he’s presumably accepting that he said something about deliberately crashing into George. Otherwise, he’d just deny it. All he says is that George has exaggerated it.
What are the odds on Toto beating the piss out of Horner over the weekend
Chip off the old block what a nice guy.
Shame the season is over now, would've enjoyed more bitching from those two for another while.
The off-track stuff can be more entertaining the actual races sometimes.
The off-track stuff can be more entertaining the actual races sometimes.
The sport needs a bit more rivalry and a different team to win. This weekend will see McLaren win the constructors and it’s time someone else won the drivers championship as good as Max is. Next year could be epic if the four teams stay close and Hamilton back.
This isn't a soap opera. They are all positioning themselves for the next incident. Everyone knows Max will be at the front of the field and that he will go about his racing the same way he has done these past years with Lewis and now Lando. Max has an entire RB machine built up by Marko that does nothing but position itself for those incidents. Others are wising up.Depends on your definition of smart. If Max hasn't said what George says he has he'd be open to a defamation suit if Max wanted to go that route (which I'm sure he doesn't), it's that bad. He's spinning a huge fantasy story, even going back to 2021 (with a hugely biased view of course) and making stuff up about how Masi would have to fear for his life if the roles were reversed. It all reads as a very obvious attempt to clear his name and shift the attention to Max. I'd be surprised if what he says is true though I'd also be surprised if Max hasn't called him a cnut to his face after that meeting
Disappointed Dutch GP being dropped, it's usually quite decent
But sterile Monaco/Abu Dhabi/Miami etc stay because of the £££££'s
We want proper racing circuits not processions
But sterile Monaco/Abu Dhabi/Miami etc stay because of the £££££'s
We want proper racing circuits not processions
max would put anyone into the wall if they were a threat to him for the championship. Nothing special about that Russell.Yeah it honestly feels like George is always trying a bit too hard to be something he is not. Whether it's trying to be cool, tough, or funny. Still entertaining to watch though.
FP1 drivers:
Isack Hadjar (Verstappen)
Arthur Leclerc (Sainz) - the first time brothers will drive as teammates
Ryo Hirakawa (Piastri)
Felipe Drugovich (Stroll)
Ayumu Iwasa (Tsunoda)
Luke Browning (Albon)
How will they differentiate Leclerc major and minor on the timing tower?
Isack Hadjar (Verstappen)
Arthur Leclerc (Sainz) - the first time brothers will drive as teammates
Ryo Hirakawa (Piastri)
Felipe Drugovich (Stroll)
Ayumu Iwasa (Tsunoda)
Luke Browning (Albon)
How will they differentiate Leclerc major and minor on the timing tower?