F1 2024 Season

About the post-season testing:
A Brazilian journalist asked Alonso directly why he did not participate in the post-season testing and he said that he was tired and needed to rest.

Stroll will also not participate in the post-season tests.
Drugovich and Crawford (rookie test) will join the session.
 
Max fans are the Trump supporters of F1. Would be great to live in their world where their darling can do no wrong but the second anybody dares to play him at his own game it's "crossing a line".
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
Max fans are the Trump supporters of F1. Would be great to live in their world where their darling can do no wrong but the second anybody dares to play him at his own game it's "crossing a line".
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It's far worse. Trump supporters are the sports fans of politics.
 
Tensions have boiled over as teams head to Abu Dhabi for the final Grand Prix of the season. This time three years ago, the UAE capital was the scene of Max Verstappen's controversial first world title, which he won following a heated battle with Lewis Hamilton.

But it's Hamilton's Mercedes' team-mate George Russell who has caught Verstappen's ire this time around. The Red Bull star, who has already wrapped up this year's world championship, was furious when the Brit led complaints that eventually saw Verstappen stripped of pole position at the Qatar Grand Prix last week.

A vitriolic war of words has ensued over the past week, with respective team principals Christian Horner and Toto Wolff also getting involved.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/mot...1&cvid=b5fd48693ee649c7a4c2c497b941deb4&ei=25
 
Didn't someone say up thread they thought Max was probably going to become a dad soon

Lovely news for them
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
Max fans are the Trump supporters of F1. Would be great to live in their world where their darling can do no wrong but the second anybody dares to play him at his own game it's "crossing a line".
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Eh? Max sometimes takes things too far in races sure, don't know where you're getting this "can do no wrong" idea from, but he's never done what Russell's done here. How is this "his own game"? George is like the antitheses to Max. George is the typically posh British sly smile to your face but stab you in the back kind of guy. Max is the typically Dutch blunt in your face don't like it then feck off kind of guy. If George were to play Max at his own game he would have to be in front and when Max would try to overtake him round the outside he'd have to defend hard and put Max outside the track. But he's so talent limited he hardly ever gets in that position and when he does like last race he usually shits the bed before turn 1 :lol:
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Eh? Max sometimes takes things too far in races sure, don't know where you're getting this "can do no wrong" idea from, but he's never done what Russell's done here. How is this "his own game"? George is like the antitheses to Max. George is the typically posh British sly smile to your face but stab you in the back kind of guy. Max is the typically Dutch blunt in your face don't like it then feck off kind of guy. If George were to play Max at his own game he would have to be in front and when Max would try to overtake him round the outside he'd have to defend hard and put Max outside the track. But he's so talent limited he hardly ever gets in that position and when he does like last race he usually shits the bed before turn 1 :lol:
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What I mean by "his own game" is the shite-talking in the media. I'm seeing some people claiming Russell has made this personal but Max was the one who first aired the dirty laundry in public.

Everyone's just kind of taken him at his word that what George did in the stewards room was going too far. I will admit I'm far from unbiased here but I'm less inclined to take that at face value because Max and the Red Bull cabal often get extremely pissy whenever anything doesn't go their way (as, to be fair, do many of the drivers and teams including Russell himself), so I would not be at all surprised if Max is in fact the one who is being hysterical about it.
 
Charles Leclerc has been handed a 10-place grid penalty for the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix after exceeding the battery allocation.
 
United Hobbit said:
Disappointed Dutch GP being dropped, it's usually quite decent

But sterile Monaco/Abu Dhabi/Miami etc stay because of the £££££'s

We want proper racing circuits not processions
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Zandvoort is closer to Monaco than Abu Dbahi and Miami are. Abu Dhabi is quite good track, and even Miami is arguably better F1 track than Zandvoort, just not historic. Zandvoort is shite outdated narrow circuit with just one place for overtake which would never happen if not DRS.
 
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What I mean by "his own game" is the shite-talking in the media. I'm seeing some people claiming Russell has made this personal but Max was the one who first aired the dirty laundry in public.

Everyone's just kind of taken him at his word that what George did in the stewards room was going too far. I will admit I'm far from unbiased here but I'm less inclined to take that at face value because Max and the Red Bull cabal often get extremely pissy whenever anything doesn't go their way (as, to be fair, do many of the drivers and teams including Russell himself), so I would not be at all surprised if Max is in fact the one who is being hysterical about it.
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Max was rightfully angry at what Russell did and called him out on it. What Russell did was the F1 equivalent of diving in the penalty box and screaming bloody murder only to then run to the ref and whinge about it in order to get the penalty. Of course he's going to get called out on it. Maybe if he did it to someone elso like Norris for example it'd be in a less blunt manner where you'd have to read between the lines a bit but he'd definitely still get called out on it. I don't know any driver who'd just let that slide. Like I said, even the likes of Button and Norris have said it wasn't a penalty, Button called the decision "shocking", Alonso has mocked Russell by saying he'd speed towards the guy who was in front of him in quali in Abu Dabhi in order for him to get a penalty.. basically Russell has shown the world with his actions that he's a little snake and he's unhappy about the response he got so he's tried to shift the attention to Max by portraying him as some sort of psychopath with his fantasy story. He's gone on about incidents in 2021, how Masi would have to fear for his life if the roles had been reversed (when he's actually had to fear for his life because Hamilton fans sent him death threats), said that Max has bullied engineers away at Red Bull, even bringing up his 8 year old nephew. It's ridiculous. I'm sure Max has said some bad things to him after that meeting, I know I would've :lol:. And yes I think everybody in this thread including you and me is biased :lol:
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Max was rightfully angry at what Russell did and called him out on it. What Russell did was the F1 equivalent of diving in the penalty box and screaming bloody murder only to then run to the ref and whinge about it in order to get the penalty. Of course he's going to get called out on it. Maybe if he did it to someone elso like Norris for example it'd be in a less blunt manner where you'd have to read between the lines a bit but he'd definitely still get called out on it. I don't know any driver who'd just let that slide. Like I said, even the likes of Button and Norris have said it wasn't a penalty, Button called the decision "shocking", Alonso has mocked Russell by saying he'd speed towards the guy who was in front of him in quali in Abu Dabhi in order for him to get a penalty.. basically Russell has shown the world with his actions that he's a little snake and he's unhappy about the response he got so he's tried to shift the attention to Max by portraying him as some sort of psychopath with his fantasy story. He's gone on about incidents in 2021, how Masi would have to fear for his life if the roles had been reversed (when he's actually had to fear for his life because Hamilton fans sent him death threats), said that Max has bullied engineers away at Red Bull, even bringing up his 8 year old nephew. It's ridiculous. I'm sure Max has said some bad things to him after that meeting, I know I would've :lol:. And yes I think everybody in this thread including you and me is biased :lol:
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I mean you keep saying this like either you or I know what Russell said to the stewards. All we can actually be reasonably certain on is that he pushed for a penalty which doesn't seem that egregious to me considering he stood to gain pole position from it. Considering Max fairly regularly pushes right to the limit of the rulebook (and sometimes far beyond that) in order to gain an advantage, I'm a bit sick of him being a whiny little bitch when someone does it back to him and drawing arbitrary lines in the sand for what is and isn't OK.

Now, like I say, neither you nor I know what Russell actually said in the stewards room so perhaps he made it personal. If that is the case then I entirely understand Max's frustration. At present, though, all I'm seeing is Max starting shite by airing dirty laundry and making it personal publicly because he (perhaps fairly) feels hard done by about a penalty. Whatever else you might think of anything he said, I think George is quite right to point out that it's nothing personal for him to fight his case in the stewards room, so if that's really all that this is about then I think Max is out of order for escalating it the way he did in the interviews afterwards.
 
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I mean you keep saying this like either you or I know what Russell said to the stewards. All we can actually be reasonably certain on is that he pushed for a penalty which doesn't seem that egregious to me considering he stood to gain pole position from it. Considering Max fairly regularly pushes right to the limit of the rulebook (and sometimes far beyond that) in order to gain an advantage, I'm a bit sick of him being a whiny little bitch when someone does it back to him and drawing arbitrary lines in the sand for what is and isn't OK.

Now, like I say, neither you nor I know what Russell actually said in the stewards room so perhaps he made it personal. If that is the case then I entirely understand Max's frustration. At present, though, all I'm seeing is Max starting shite by airing dirty laundry and making it personal publicly because he (perhaps fairly) feels hard done by about a penalty. Whatever else you might think of anything he said, I think George is quite right to point out that it's nothing personal for him to fight his case in the stewards room, so if that's really all that this is about then I think Max is out of order for escalating it the way he did in the interviews afterwards.
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Max has said it's not even about what he said to the stewards, it's that Russell was a lying snake about it.

If he had been upfront and told Max he would complain thus giving the latter a chance to properly mount a defense, then there would be no hard feelings. It's absolutely underhanded behaviour to lie to Max's face about it prior to going to the stewards - that's why Max had a problem and that's why he took it personally. It's of course very disrespectful to lie directly to someone's face, especially about a matter that involves them.
 
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Max has said it's not even about what he said to the stewards, it's that Russell was a lying snake about it.

If he had been upfront and told Max he would complain thus giving the latter a chance to properly mount a defense, then there would be no hard feelings. It's absolutely underhanded behaviour to lie to Max's face about it prior to going to the stewards - that's why Max had a problem and that's why he took it personally. It's of course very disrespectful to lie directly to someone's face, especially about a matter that involves them.
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This talk about what George did being "disrespectful" is absolutely wild to me. I might agree if we were talking about George accusing Max of shagging his gran or something but we're talking about an argument over an incident in a race that resulted in an absolutely inconsequential penalty for Max who, by the way, was already the world champion by this point.

Sure, maybe it's underhand to say one thing in person and then another in the stewards room. Guess what? Sportspeople are forever using underhand tactics and gamesmanship to gain an advantage over their competitors. Max does it all the time himself, often involving driving others right off the track when they try to pass him. So again, unless Russell actually did say something about Max's character in the stewards room, I think he's being hysterical over what is in reality just another example of a competitor using gamesmanship to get one over on him.
 
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This talk about what George did being "disrespectful" is absolutely wild to me. I might agree if we were talking about George accusing Max of shagging his gran or something but we're talking about an argument over an incident in a race that resulted in an absolutely inconsequential penalty for Max who, by the way, was already the world champion by this point.

Sure, maybe it's underhand to say one thing in person and then another in the stewards room. Guess what? Sportspeople are forever using underhand tactics and gamesmanship to gain an advantage over their competitors. Max does it all the time himself, often involving driving others right off the track when they try to pass him. So again, unless Russell actually did say something about Max's character in the stewards room, I think he's being hysterical over what is in reality just another example of a competitor using gamesmanship to get one over on him.
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I guess I just disagree. I think it's far more disrespectful to lie to someone's face than it is to compete in a way that is unfair but isn't technically breaking the rules in a public setting. The latter is far more in the spirit of F1.

It's also worth remembering that Russell lies all the fecking time and has a history of being unwilling to accept accountability. Fun example from the weekend as well (can't believe the engine just turned in on him like this):

 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I guess I just disagree. I think it's far more disrespectful to lie to someone's face than it is to compete in a way that is unfair but isn't technically breaking the rules in a public setting. The latter is far more in the spirit of F1.

It's also worth remembering that Russell lies all the fecking time and has a history of being unwilling to accept accountability. Fun example from the weekend as well (can't believe the engine just turned in on him like this):

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I don't think you're wrong about Russell - he does indeed have a history of being a bit of an arse and blaming others when he should be looking inwards (although frankly, that interview thing is a complete nothing-burger). Point is, so does Max, and what I'm a bit sick of is the fact that Max takes the attitude of "all is fair in love and war" but then gets all stroppy and personal when someone does it back to him. It reeks of "rules for me and not for thee" - he gets to be an arsehole who pushes and bends the rules to gain an advantage but any time someone does it back to him it's crossing the line that, conveniently, he gets to draw.

Also, perhaps somewhat ironic coming from a Hamilton fan, but Max's fanbase is completely insufferable which I admit does somewhat unfairly taint my view of him.
 
Lando has come out "neutral" on this disagreement. But still manages to kiss Max's behind.

Lando will never win a title with his submissive mentality.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
I don't think you're wrong about Russell - he does indeed have a history of being a bit of an arse and blaming others when he should be looking inwards (although frankly, that interview thing is a complete nothing-burger). Point is, so does Max, and what I'm a bit sick of is the fact that Max takes the attitude of "all is fair in love and war" but then gets all stroppy and personal when someone does it back to him. It reeks of "rules for me and not for thee" - he gets to be an arsehole who pushes and bends the rules to gain an advantage but any time someone does it back to him it's crossing the line that, conveniently, he gets to draw.

Also, perhaps somewhat ironic coming from a Hamilton fan, but Max's fanbase is completely insufferable which I admit does somewhat unfairly taint my view of him.
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Yeah the interview is victimless of course - but it's just telling of his character that'd he'd rather ramble on instead of just admitting he fecked up his downshift.

I guess I just think that it's less about the rule-pushing and more about the dishonesty. I really would doubt that Max would give this any second thought beyond "right then I'll try this next time" if Russell hadn't lied to his face about whether it was a big deal - especially since Mercedes manufactured the whole situation in the first place.

Also and perhaps I'm getting far too into the weeds about this, Max being Dutch also likely has an impact - probably the people least likely to tolerate bullshit out there.
 
Alonso, as always just tells it as it is on this one. Saying Russell wasn't being two-faced, and Max getting riled up being more about not having consistent penalties.
 
Abizzz said:
It's far worse. Trump supporters are the sports fans of politics.
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I think there is a segment of every athlete's fanbase you can make that argument for. The bigger the fanbase the more you see it. And Max' just happens to be one of the biggest. That's also why George s comments about death threats and Masi was absolutely moronic bc there are plenty of extreme voices in the Lewis camp as well.
 
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Zandvoort is closer to Monaco than Abu Dbahi and Miami are. Abu Dhabi is quite good track, and even Miami is arguably better F1 track than Zandvoort, just not historic. Zandvoort is shite outdated narrow circuit with just one place for overtake which would never happen if not DRS.
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Yeh it's no big loss, very hard to overtake. Abu Dhabi is definitely better than Qatar or Monaco for the ability to overtake.
 
Redplane said:
I think there is a segment of every athlete's fanbase you can make that argument for. The bigger the fanbase the more you see it. And Max' just happens to be one of the biggest. That's also why George s comments about death threats and Masi was absolutely moronic bc there are plenty of extreme voices in the Lewis camp as well.
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I honestly don't mind with fans being a bit fanatic in who they support. I'll argue and disagree with them, but I don't hold them having their favorite against them.

We should all be a bit more rational in politics.
 
Is Lando about to con me out of yet another pole... he's done it many times this season when I've picked him
 
Just 0.5s from P1 to an elimination. Incredible how close qualifying has been this year
 
Again we have problems with tracks with excessive run off stick some bloody gravel in that'll make them stay on the track!
 
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