Horner has been cleared of any wrongdoing.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...d-wrongdoing-red-bull-investigation/10580795/
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...d-wrongdoing-red-bull-investigation/10580795/
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Glad he has been cleared, from what I have read, the person disliked his style of management.
Not a fan if his TBH but his style works and work well.
Not a fan if his TBH but his style works and work well.
Expect details to be leaked over the next few days. Depending on what comes out it's still not over.
so many questions... was she lying? what was the actual act he was alleged to do? what happens to her now?
How long will Marko and jos be around, before shit hits the fan with them
I’m not having a go at you here but whenever the alleged perp is cleared in cases like this, the first question is always “was she lying?”.
It often overwhelms the point we should be considering - where the power lies.
I have no horse in this race whatsoever. I won’t lose sleep over the fact he’s been cleared and he may well have done absolutely nothing wrong.
However it does unsettle me slightly that it’s often the complainant that gets an earful whenever a case falls on it arse. So many do in relation to these sorts of accusations - a lack of evidence doesn’t mean someone is lying. There are so many cases like this that are dismissed on similar grounds.
A very low percentage of these cases actually ever land a successful conviction/find some sort of justice.
A statement issued by the Red Bull company in Austria said: “The independent investigation into the allegations made against Mr Horner is complete, and Red Bull can confirm that the grievance has been dismissed. The complainant has a right of appeal.”
“The investigation report is confidential and contains the private information of the parties and third parties who assisted in the investigation, and therefore we will not be commenting further out of respect for all concerned.
“Red Bull will continue striving to meet the highest workplace standards.”
“The investigation report is confidential and contains the private information of the parties and third parties who assisted in the investigation, and therefore we will not be commenting further out of respect for all concerned.
“Red Bull will continue striving to meet the highest workplace standards.”
Some comments from Hamilton, and further comments from Zak Brown, in here: Christian Horner: Lewis Hamilton says allegations against Red Bull boss 'a really important moment for F1' - BBC Sport
I can't take shit stirrers Lewis and Brown serious anymore. Regardless of whether there was any validity to the claims or not, commenting like that on things they have zero knowledge of in some ways is more damaging IMHO. Not saying Horner isnt one himself, but some of it borders on defamation. F1 is a nasty sport indeed.
And then you read the quotes and realise that Lewis just said that it needed to be dealt with quickly and appropriately. He was probably also asked a question about it. Defamation
I didn't say the alleged was lying. I'm wondering if they did. which obviously means it could be yes or no, which would leave a reasonable person to come to the conclusion that I acknowledge that the Horner can be cleared of wrong doing and still have a possibility that more than one outcome of well that means the accuser was lying can happen.
but maybe that thinking doesnt fit into the narritive?
My good man, the article has these quotes from him:And then you read the quotes and realise that Lewis just said that it needed to be dealt with quickly and appropriately. He was probably also asked a question about it. Defamation
Mercedes driver Hamilton, speaking in a news conference before the opening race of the season in Bahrain on Saturday, added: "It is a really important moment for the sport to make sure we stand true to our values.
"We always have to do more to try to make the sport and the environment people work in feel safe and inclusive. Any allegations have to be taken very seriously."
That implies a lot more than what you said.
That's pretty pointless comment from Hamilton, if it turns out that it was overblown, and considering the verdict, it seems like it was nothing after all. Many people here made an early conclusions too just because they don't like Horner.
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It’s not pointless though. It’s just a very generic statement people typically make in these situations about reaffirming inclusivity and values and culture. He’s simply saying that when allegations arise they need to be pursued and that the F1 workplace environment should continue to be made more inclusive and safe. To read that statement as if he’s suggesting Horner should be punished or that he actually did something wrong even though cleared is reading it in a very bizarre way.
As quoted above - this is from RBs official statement:
“Red Bull will continue striving to meet the highest workplace standards.”
Is this therefore suggesting they didn’t meet the highest workplace standards in this specific matter?
The answer is no, it’s not.
Ah yes, the standard response to being critical of Lewis. It must be racial or something. Can we at least agree sometimes it's better to just not comment on things? (And no, that doesn't just apply to him) - his words carry a lot more weight than us shooting the shit on a message board. I'm probably extra sensitive bc in my line of work I've seen lives quite literally being destroyed because people implied certain things, or left the door open for a lot of interpretation.
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1) To suggest I was saying it must be racial from you is hugely below the belt and you should be ashamed of yourself for even posting that.
2) Do you think Lewis called up a journalist and said “Hi, can you print this comment by me please?” Of course not. He was obviously asked. And do you genuinely think saying “No comment” would be an acceptable response if asked a question? He’s arguably the highest profile person in the sport. To not have a view on matters of D&I, which he champions, is bonkers. And the fact you even think that’s a viable option is also bonkers.
What was the "tint" comment supposed to mean? At the very least I interpret for you to imply I solely have it out for him alone. Maybe a non American thing that I don't understand, so apologies if I implied too much.
And yes, no comment is absolutely an option. Or at the very least keep it simple like: "I hope people are treated fairly, and it is brought to a conclusion soon for all involved."
Just on your edit - you are being extra sensitive and you’re completely misunderstanding what Lewis is saying as a result. Do we even know what question Lewis was asked? But to be honest it doesn’t matter. Even without context he hasn’t in any way implied Horner has done anything wrong. If you disagree that’s fine but I strongly believe that.
You're making my point for me though. It should not require deciphering. I guarantee you many took it the same way I did.
It means you dislike Hamilton irrationally, and yes him alone. But that could be for a million reasons, not just race. It’s not complicated.
And to the rest of your post,
If you think no comment is an option, then I can’t really have a meaningful conversation with you so comfortable to leave it where we are. His comment is already as basic as it pretty much gets. You’ve just decided to interpret in a way my mind can’t comprehend.Let’s not derail the thread and leave it at that. We will simply not find common ground. And that’s fine.
You're being dismissive and facetious of any arguments I make. Not very accepting of you.“Guarantee”
Let’s leave it and move on.
No. This is where the nuance comes in. I am not disagreeing with the principle of what you’re saying. I am disagreeing with your interpretation of what was said. I have explained to you my view on why Hamilton commented, and why I feel his statement doesn’t imply anything and how it’s very consistent with what I would consider a bog standard response.
You haven’t explained your view though. I can’t begin to understand why you think what you do, because you haven’t explained what it’s implying, how it’s implying it, and why you think it’s being implied. You also haven’t explained why you think a “no comment” is an acceptable response. Of course it is an option, but it’s not a practical option.
Sure I could cut out the laughing GIFs but genuinely from my perspective its absolutely farcical that you can call this defamation and that you can “guarantee” others saw it this way too.
And I’ll be brutally honest with you, the fact you came immediately suggesting I had a different view to you and that I thought you were biased because of Hamilton’s race has probably irrationally riled me up. It’s pathetic and descends this conversation into something it doesn't need to go to. Do you immediately think that people have an irrational hatred of Max because he is white also?
Oh come on this is classic gaslighting/deflection. Your initial response to how I read your comment still implies it could be racism and then you try to spin it around and make yourself a victim. You speak of nuance yet have none yourself.
It doesn’t in any way imply racism.
Agree to disagree. Let's get back to talking about cars going vroom I guess.
Come on lads , let’s not go down the racism road, it never ends well
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Does it? It’s the most bland, corporate, PR pre-prepared, statement ever. I genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about, but then again, that goes for all your other posts following on after too.
@Redplane no offence but it does come across like you just dislike Lewis and are trying to pick fault with his comments. It's clear what he means as he's been quite active in the sport in trying to make things more diverse, equal and in line with important topics within the world. His comments are quite simple and aren't shit stirry at all.
Man you guys are exhausting. Yes, I absolutely loathe Lewis and that is the sole reason why I made the comments I did. Ffs 
First real glimpse of the actual cars today - exciting!
A glimpse is all the grid will see of Max's rear wing for most of the season.
I'm still looking forward to it for my sins, but I do feel like the energy around the sport is a little bit flat at the moment. Max fans loving life of course and so they should but even winning becomes boring without competition.
Things I'm mostly interested in this season:
- How badly Perez can manage to get beaten by his teammate again.
- Hamilton's relationship with Mercedes ending, he's already thrown some shade George/Toto's way this week.
- How long it takes before Williams finally give up on Sargeant.
- Piastri/Norris battle could be tasty this year.
- Alonso flirting with Mercedes until they announce LH's replacement.
- Ferrari strategists throwing away at least 10 good opportunities, "we are checking".
- David Croft not commentating on at least 3 races.
Yep, Emilia-Romagna, Austrian and Azerbaijan. Stick them in your diary.
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It's 24 races or whatever, all the commentary crew have weekends off.
That’s not true, they’ll also see his front wing as he approaches them to lap them.
Think we'll have a closer season than people expect.
Ferrari will challenge Red Bull(Max to be precise) on a lot of tracks much like McLaren did but with a lot more straightline speed and qualy performance.
Perez will be useless as usual though I predict 4th place in the Drivers standings for him
Ferrari will challenge Red Bull(Max to be precise) on a lot of tracks much like McLaren did but with a lot more straightline speed and qualy performance.
Perez will be useless as usual though I predict 4th place in the Drivers standings for him
Is it doom mongering to not expect a team that won 21 out of 22 races last season, no regulation changes, no driver changes, to not dominate again the following year?
I absolutely hope it isn't the case, I'll be watching anyway but its realism to not hold out too much hope for a battle for P1.
I absolutely hope it isn't the case, I'll be watching anyway but its realism to not hold out too much hope for a battle for P1.