F1 2024 Season

Just caught up with the race. Norris a lucky boy with twice clipping the wall. That high downforce package on the mclaren in clean air is something else.

Max doing exactly what he needs to, to win the WDC. Driving like a experienced multi world champion.

So are we expecting RB CashApp to sacrifice their position outside of the top ten every race now till the end of season, just to stop Norris from getting the fastest lap? I think it's in poor taste personally

About time Riccardo left, he's been way past his best for a long time now.

4 week break is just stupid till next race. What's the reason for it?
 
dinostar77 said:
4 week break is just stupid till next race. What's the reason for it?
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We had Japan and Qatar last year in this 4 week gap.

Main reason for their move this season was weather based, Japan being in the middle of the rain season and Qatar being hot. The secondary reason was more logistics based, moving Japan closer to China and Qatar closer to Abu Dhabi.

This looks to be a one off and next years calendar follows with a bit more structure.
 
dinostar77 said:
Just caught up with the race. Norris a lucky boy with twice clipping the wall. That high downforce package on the mclaren in clean air is something else.

Max doing exactly what he needs to, to win the WDC. Driving like a experienced multi world champion.

So are we expecting RB CashApp to sacrifice their position outside of the top ten every race now till the end of season, just to stop Norris from getting the fastest lap? I think it's in poor taste personally

About time Riccardo left, he's been way past his best for a long time now.

4 week break is just stupid till next race. What's the reason for it?
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Agree was really poor taste for RB lite to be used to take Landos fastest lap, they're the only team with 2 teams, would be interesting to see who made that call. Be nice to see a ruling teams have to operate as separate entities but it won't happen

The gap sucks, just as everything is getting interesting. Can see RB closing the gap during this time
 
United Hobbit said:
Agree was really poor taste for RB lite to be used to take Landos fastest lap, they're the only team with 2 teams, would be interesting to see who made that call. Be nice to see a ruling teams have to operate as separate entities but it won't happen

The gap sucks, just as everything is getting interesting. Can see RB closing the gap during this time
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I guess nobody's buying the "we wanted to let Danny Ric go out with a fastest lap" line then :lol:
 
I wish there would be a period, a decade or so, where we get alternating teams being good and everyone at the top being close.

Rather than 5 years of Red bull, followed by 7 years of Mercedes, followed by 3 more years of Red bull.
 
Singapore is a nice backdrop but no amount of city lights, fireworks can elevate this layout and look. Very bleak and austere when the cameras are focused on the cars. Reminds me of some disused barricaded side area in Running Man.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I wish there would be a period, a decade or so, where we get alternating teams being good and everyone at the top being close.

Rather than 5 years of Red bull, followed by 7 years of Mercedes, followed by 3 more years of Red bull.
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Ironically the reg change at the end of 2021 to improve the racing resulted in removing the competition, just as Merc and Red Bull were finally on an even footing. Just hoping 2026 doesn't do the same again.
 
AfonsoAlves said:
I wish there would be a period, a decade or so, where we get alternating teams being good and everyone at the top being close.

Rather than 5 years of Red bull, followed by 7 years of Mercedes, followed by 3 more years of Red bull.
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The annoying thing is that if we kept the current rules for another 5 years I reckon there's a good chance of 5 different champions. The grid has closed up so much and with the likes of Newey moving to Aston it could change again.

Always seems to happen right before a rules set change. 2021 whilst only being between two was a stonking year and the final year of a regulation set.

I wish every season was like 1997 though, aside from the wonderful looking cars, I remember they had tyres that meant they could divebomb at basically every turn and one of about six teams were in it for the win with basically everyone else except Tyrrell and Minardi on for podiums and points at any given race. It still ended up being Villeneuve v Schumacher but it was a fantastic year for the variety of people on the pace at each round. Prost, Benetton, Jordan and Sauber were all top six contenders and depending on the weather you had Stewart and Arrows in there too - Damon at Hungaroring being the famous example but Panis nearly beat Villeneuve at Argentina for instance. Fisichella should've won in Germany but at least Berger did instead and Trulli could've won on his Prost debut in Austria until his engine blew. Williams/JV had a real off period mid season and the Ferrari was never really good enough to be dominant aside from Schumacher's brilliance so the other teams were always there. Well worth a watch on F1TV that season was.
 
hobbers said:
Tell me you cant read without telling me you cant read.
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You said the DNF’s weren’t an issue now because they aren’t finishing one and two. Then seven days later they finish one and two, with Max comfortably in the top five and then some - definitely not a struggle.

Like I said before, you use worst case scenario for Max and best case for Norris. The reality is that Norris had his best case scenario race and didn’t even get the 8 point average needed.

Each race that ticks by where Max can stick to the back of Norris, he becomes an even bigger favourite as Norris has no wiggle room for penalties or reliability.
 
gormless said:
Ironically the reg change at the end of 2021 to improve the racing resulted in removing the competition, just as Merc and Red Bull were finally on an even footing. Just hoping 2026 doesn't do the same again.
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i wouldnt count on it. The current view is that the field spread will be bigger than 2022. We can blame movable aero for that.

Someone will nail it and be next in line to dominate ala vettel - hamilton - verstappen.

it would nice as others have said, if they left the regs alone and tweaked for increased wake on a season by season basis.
 
redshaw said:
Singapore is a nice backdrop but no amount of city lights, fireworks can elevate this layout and look. Very bleak and austere when the cameras are focused on the cars. Reminds me of some disused barricaded side area in Running Man.
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i really like it and think it look awesome. Probably cause its a night race. Its not as processional as the snore bore thats monaco.

if you've ever driven it in the f1 game, its a brutal unforgiving track, but so enjoyable.
 
Vidyoyo said:
That section after the bridge :mad:
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I'm being dense. You don't like the changes to the track? Or prefer the way it was previously? S3 caused the most safety cars at the GP. Even in the game, S3 and the approach to the bridge was a b*stars.
 
F-Red said:
A few sources reporting that Bottas will have the remaining Sauber seat in 25.
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It's a solid midfield line up of Bottas and Hulkenberg. Both experienced and Bottas has the experience of a top end team which could be useful to Audi.

However if you offered the Williams lineup of albon and Sainz to Audi, I bet they wouldn't hesitate for a second.

Big season next year for Leclerc, Sainz and Russell, they have alot to lose if they don't beat their teammates over the course of the season.
 
Vidyoyo said:
Yeah I mean I always crash at that section in the game :lol:
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Same here, the rewind function is a good send. Especially if you playing half or full distance, one slight mistake in braking half a second too late or the wrong angle of approach and the car doesn't rotate and into that stupid wall you go.
 
F-Red said:
Another key, long term, Red Bull employee switching teams.

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And another reason why I can't see Max staying beyond 2026. I do think too much sometimes is read into these things at times: top level employees are always on the move when a company has been successful (hell, we wouldn't have many of the great companies in the world if they had stayed with their then great companies) and most people at that level are highly motivated by challenges, but the short order of departures does raise some questions..especially with them being announced mid season.

I'm guessing Mateschitz leaving truly did unsettle the organization. A bit like when the parents hold a family together and when they pass a lot of those remaining fight over the scraps.
 
Really interesting article about the RB20. RedBull in FP's tried to mimic the soft suspension / medium downforce wing setup of McLaren, but it fundamentally doesn't work with the RB20. RB20 needs a stiff suspension. RedBull switched to a stiff suspension setup and prioritised aerodynamics over mechanical grip (the latter a strength of the McLaren).

They also used the Monaco high downforce rear wing on verstappen's car and changed the diffuser on both cars, to give up some peak downforce for more rear stability.

I had absolutely no idea that its a soft suspension and excellent mechanical grip that makes the McLaren so good.

Also think it's crazy that RedBull start to get beaten by a design philosophy very different to there's, when we all thought the only answer was to copy the design philosophy of the RedBull (last year's).

It's not the first time mechanical grip has reared it's head under this ruleset. The cars can produce more downforce than the mechanic suspension can handle. We've seen that with Mercedes, Ferrari and now RedBull.

Kudos to Adrian Newey, he had the foresight going into 2022 season, to focus mainly on the suspension of the car. It seems to be key to this ruleset.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/3032...red-bull-turned-rb20-around-after-friday.html
 
klsv said:
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Kinda wish they could do some send-off at Austin in a place he seemed to always love so much. But I would also understand if he doesn't want to show his face right now. Hopefully they can at least do something on the team side to show their appreciation - even if it's just a thank you Daniel on the car or something.

Plenty of drivers have come and gone in F1 - but not many with some of the successes and impact on the sport this guy has had. He has been a great ambassador for the sport, even the season he wasn't driving.
 
Redplane said:
Im happy to see they also cast someone to play Ratzenberger. Gives me some hope they give him the proper recognition. Til this day it feels a bit like a stain on the sport to me his crash was so overshadowed by everything Senna.
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I saw that and said to myself, I was glad they included him.
You are right Roland is always forgotten, he is never really officially remembered , it is always as an after thought about Senna, we all know the story about Senna almost not driving the race and the Austrian flag he had, if he had listen to Sid he would have been fishing.
 
To be fair to VCA RB they should be using that seat for development drivers and Danny Ric was never getting a seat back at RB so it's a fair decision.

Hopefully he lands on his feet and I'm sure he will. Either with another team or in the media because he'll be good at that. Fresh even.
 
Horner shuts down McLaren's Ricciardo claim:
- Christian Horner has refuted the suggestion that Daniel Ricciardo was used to intentionally deny McLaren and Lando Norris the bonus point for fastest lap during the Singapore Grand Prix. The RB driver was pitted on the penultimate lap and secured the fastest lap of the race. However, because he finished outside the top 10, he did not receive the extra point and merely prevented Norris from claiming it.
- Zak Brown questioned the move, highlighting the potential conflict of Red Bull owning two teams, as the late call benefited Max Verstappen in the championship. Due to that intervention, Verstappen can afford to finish second to Norris in each of the final nine races and still win the drivers' title, regardless of fastest lap points.
- Horner denied any accusations of impropriety, stating:
"Racing Bulls [RB] stopped and did the fastest lap at the end of the race. There’s nothing more to it than that."
- Horner further explained:
"Kevin Magnussen would have had it had he not gone wide earlier in the race and he has a Ferrari engine. Every team has its own independence."
- Brown has continued to highlight potential issues regarding Red Bull’s relationship with its sister team RB, especially with two championships on the line. Although not directly responding to Brown’s claims, Horner noted:
"It’s always going to get raised because it’s the same ownership, so it’s inevitable that question’s going to get raised."
- He also pointed out a motivating factor for Ricciardo:
"Remember, he [Ricciardo] gets paid a bonus on a fastest lap."
 
Bin Sulayem thinks FIA isn't getting enough credit: "We only get rubbish"

- FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem believes it's "impossible" for the federation to receive the credit it deserves for improvements made in the sport since he became president in December 2021. These include introducing a remote operations centre, launching programs to train and mentor stewards and race directors, and creating a new officials department to support officiating talent recruitment.

- The FIA also implemented a new track limits solution at the Austrian Grand Prix, which seems to have resolved a longstanding issue at the Red Bull Ring and may be used at other circuits.

- When asked if he felt the FIA has received enough credit for solving the track limits problem, Ben Sulayem replied:

"No, we will never get the credit. Impossible. We'll only get rubbish. That I know."

- Ben Sulayem also thinks the FIA deserves more recognition for its financial investments in the sport, explaining:

"When you look at it, everybody made money out of the FIA, everyone except the FIA. Everyone gets the credit, except the FIA."

"It's true. When I took over, we had a running operating cost of minus 20 million. Why? Because we have our income as everybody. But look at the promoters… And good on them and I congratulate them, they are smart enough to do that…"

"But I'll be very, very honest, as always. So Liberty Media did a great job in transforming Formula 1. If you tell me if I could go back in time, would I undo [that]? No way. I wouldn't undo that, but I would just make sure that the FIA is two equals with them."

"They are a good promoter, they are. If you ask me today: is there anyone who is capable as much as them? I can see that [there isn't]. I support them in what they are doing. The FIA works with them in the best [possible] way."

"But then, the regulations and the governance is the [work of the] FIA."

"And then, let everyone make money. Let the drivers have fun, race in a safe way and make money. And let the team principals make more money, [and] they are."

"But the FIA will never get the credit. Impossible."

VIA: [motorsport]
 
Ahmer Baig said:
Bin Sulayem thinks FIA isn't getting enough credit: "We only get rubbish"

- FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem believes it's "impossible" for the federation to receive the credit it deserves for improvements made in the sport since he became president in December 2021. These include introducing a remote operations centre, launching programs to train and mentor stewards and race directors, and creating a new officials department to support officiating talent recruitment.

- The FIA also implemented a new track limits solution at the Austrian Grand Prix, which seems to have resolved a longstanding issue at the Red Bull Ring and may be used at other circuits.

- When asked if he felt the FIA has received enough credit for solving the track limits problem, Ben Sulayem replied:

"No, we will never get the credit. Impossible. We'll only get rubbish. That I know."

- Ben Sulayem also thinks the FIA deserves more recognition for its financial investments in the sport, explaining:

"When you look at it, everybody made money out of the FIA, everyone except the FIA. Everyone gets the credit, except the FIA."

"It's true. When I took over, we had a running operating cost of minus 20 million. Why? Because we have our income as everybody. But look at the promoters… And good on them and I congratulate them, they are smart enough to do that…"

"But I'll be very, very honest, as always. So Liberty Media did a great job in transforming Formula 1. If you tell me if I could go back in time, would I undo [that]? No way. I wouldn't undo that, but I would just make sure that the FIA is two equals with them."

"They are a good promoter, they are. If you ask me today: is there anyone who is capable as much as them? I can see that [there isn't]. I support them in what they are doing. The FIA works with them in the best [possible] way."

"But then, the regulations and the governance is the [work of the] FIA."

"And then, let everyone make money. Let the drivers have fun, race in a safe way and make money. And let the team principals make more money, [and] they are."

"But the FIA will never get the credit. Impossible."

VIA: [motorsport]
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Cnut reminds me of Mourinho
 
Ahmer Baig said:
Bin Sulayem thinks FIA isn't getting enough credit: "We only get rubbish"

- FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem believes it's "impossible" for the federation to receive the credit it deserves for improvements made in the sport since he became president in December 2021. These include introducing a remote operations centre, launching programs to train and mentor stewards and race directors, and creating a new officials department to support officiating talent recruitment.

- The FIA also implemented a new track limits solution at the Austrian Grand Prix, which seems to have resolved a longstanding issue at the Red Bull Ring and may be used at other circuits.

- When asked if he felt the FIA has received enough credit for solving the track limits problem, Ben Sulayem replied:

"No, we will never get the credit. Impossible. We'll only get rubbish. That I know."

- Ben Sulayem also thinks the FIA deserves more recognition for its financial investments in the sport, explaining:

"When you look at it, everybody made money out of the FIA, everyone except the FIA. Everyone gets the credit, except the FIA."

"It's true. When I took over, we had a running operating cost of minus 20 million. Why? Because we have our income as everybody. But look at the promoters… And good on them and I congratulate them, they are smart enough to do that…"

"But I'll be very, very honest, as always. So Liberty Media did a great job in transforming Formula 1. If you tell me if I could go back in time, would I undo [that]? No way. I wouldn't undo that, but I would just make sure that the FIA is two equals with them."

"They are a good promoter, they are. If you ask me today: is there anyone who is capable as much as them? I can see that [there isn't]. I support them in what they are doing. The FIA works with them in the best [possible] way."

"But then, the regulations and the governance is the [work of the] FIA."

"And then, let everyone make money. Let the drivers have fun, race in a safe way and make money. And let the team principals make more money, [and] they are."

"But the FIA will never get the credit. Impossible."

VIA: [motorsport]
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Sulayem is incapable of processing the fact that viewers and fans don't give a flying feck about who makes what. For spectators it was better when the largest and richest companies on earth were burning money. Reassuring to know the feedback reaches him though.
 
Nobody gives a shit about the FIA, we don't even want to hear from them, ever. I'm sure the money in your bank account is credit enough mate.
 
Daniel Ricciardo’s tenure at RB this season lasted longer than it might have, thanks to the personal backing of Red Bull team principal Christian Horner.

While Ricciardo has now been replaced by 22-year-old Liam Lawson for the remainder of the year, Horner revealed that he worked behind the scenes to keep the Australian driver in the car despite increasing pressure from others in the Red Bull camp – namely Helmut Marko, Red Bull’s motorsport advisor.

Speaking on the F1 Nation podcast, Horner admitted that while he would have preferred to let Ricciardo complete the season, even despite the latter’s inconsistent performances, Red Bull’s need to plan for the future forced the change.

https://f1i.com/news/520733-horner-...zoo2YKRNJtvVZ0N5jA_aem_OjsxzEx4Jq--eqZ04FOFng
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Daniel Ricciardo’s tenure at RB this season lasted longer than it might have, thanks to the personal backing of Red Bull team principal Christian Horner.

While Ricciardo has now been replaced by 22-year-old Liam Lawson for the remainder of the year, Horner revealed that he worked behind the scenes to keep the Australian driver in the car despite increasing pressure from others in the Red Bull camp – namely Helmut Marko, Red Bull’s motorsport advisor.

Speaking on the F1 Nation podcast, Horner admitted that while he would have preferred to let Ricciardo complete the season, even despite the latter’s inconsistent performances, Red Bull’s need to plan for the future forced the change.

https://f1i.com/news/520733-horner-...zoo2YKRNJtvVZ0N5jA_aem_OjsxzEx4Jq--eqZ04FOFng
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When it comes to "news" coming out the Red Bull camp these days I don't often know who even stirs shit up. In some ways the above - even if that's slightly spun - still sounds pretty normal but it's so easy to turn it into something more sinister or dramatic like "Horner wanted to keep Ric, but Marko said NO!"
"More cracks at Red Bull: Horner and Marko have MAJOR disagreement" Etc. etc .

F1 related press so often really seems solely designed to to create more drama and in turn some people in the teams obviously feed into it. The fact we sometimes have relatively long times between races or how few teams of drivers actually create continued public interest just means dead horses get kicked over and over again. I can see why several drivers have spoken out about the mental toll the sport takes on them.
 
Had a tour of the Mercedes factory today. Ridiculous operation they've got going on there, I'm not sure NASA would look much different. Yet its all just to drive a car round a circuit 24 times a year.
 
Red Bull: RB21 will simply be an evolution of the current car

Red Bull does not want to design a completely new car for 2025, but rather develop the RB20 despite current weaknesses

"In this business, you are always juggling and you have to put one foot in front of the other," says Red Bull team boss Christian Horner. "You can't look too far into the future. Long-term in Formula 1 means two and a half months, and what we learn this year is also relevant for next year."

"So next year's car will be an evolution of this year's car. I mean, there are many components from last year's car that have been carried over into this year, because with the way the budget limit works, it doesn't make sense to change anything unless there is a significant increase in performance," says Horner.
 
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