F1 2024 Season

hobbers said:
His defending is brilliant. Always been one of the things I appreciate most in drivers. Senna, Schumacher and Alonso the previous masters of the dark arts.

They need to punish the rash or unpredictable moves in the braking zone that create really dangerous situations. But the problem is the laws now over-police everything, and so are often not enforced, probably because stewards see moves that are now technically illegal but also examples of good racecraft. If Norris reacted to the subtle move towards him and avoided colliding rear tyres, there's no way Max ever gets penalised for it.
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You need to take the rose tints off lad, you’ve always been biased in your post and yet again you post drivel time and time again.

Shocking levels of driving by Stappen - up there with his Saudi Arabia brake test on Hamilton which should also have been a DSQ. There's a leniency towards him there that I can't remember Schumacher or Senna being afforded With the stward.
 
And what did he get? 2 penalty points. He’s probably laughing about it on his sim racing stream as we speak.
 
Twice now I've seen people calling out anything remotely defending Max or at least trying to nuance the hate train as being biased - as if some of their comments are free of it.
 
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Leg-End said:
And what did he get? 2 penalty points. He’s probably laughing about it on his sim racing stream as we speak.
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bet he spends all his time on there crashing into teenagers and calling them the n-word.
 
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Always the same mob on here going in two footed on anyone who doesn't think Max is the devil incarnated. Look at the outrage on here now. Max judged to be predominantly at fault by the stewards this time, fine, but when it's the other way around people on here will still blame him. Hamilton at Silverstone anyone? It's especially bad when there's a British driver involved. Any sort of normal discussion is impossible in such a case. Not a word about Norris' multiple divebombs today yet if it were Max that had done what he did people on here would be frothing at the mouth. The predominantly British press surrounding F1 are also far more inclined to stir up shite rather than provide a balanced view.

Truth is both drivers went over the edge today and both have received penalties. It remains to be seen if anything more will come of this for either driver. Max for blocking Norris after the crash, Norris for forcing Max off the track and/or continuing to drive a damaged car and spreading bits of said car around the track causing a VSC. For which Perez for example recently got a grid penalty for the next race. Personally I think it best if the FIA let it rest instead of pouring more oil on the fire.
 
Outrage :lol: Just calling him out for shit driving, driving he was penalised for by the way.

And just like Max fan Bingo, Silverstone gets a mention.
 
Mike Smalling said:
That “Just let me drive” is the most likeable thing I’ve ever heard from Russell.
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Toto apparently started screaming right when Russel was breaking into a corner so no wonder he was pissed.

It was such a strange radio message though as surely he would've passed Lando and Max at that point, so he would've figured out he was in the lead anyway with just a few laps to go. I guess it's been a while since they were in a position to win a race so Toto probably blurted out "GEORGE YOU CAN WIN THIS!!!!" just from pure shock.
 
Leg-End said:
Outrage :lol: Just calling him out for shit driving, driving he was penalised for by the way.

And just like Max fan Bingo, Silverstone gets a mention.
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Yeah don't mind calling any driver out but that's not what's happening here is it? It's toxic behaviour exactly like you're showing now spouting shite like "Max fan bingo" without engaging into any meaningful discussion. "Driving he was penalised for by the way", again, just a lazy comment. Norris was also penalised for what I called him out on :lol:
 
dinostar77 said:
As soon as he's under pressure for a race win or more. Out comes the dirty cheating Verstappen of 2021. Moving under braking, then moving into Norris and causing the crash.

He has so much talent,no need to be so dirty.

Then with a puncture he tries to drive Norris off the track. Dirty fecker. Leopard never changes it spots does it?
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Agree with all of this. Everyone in the media saying that he’s “matured” as a driver, but all he’s done is wipe out the silly crashes he used to have. His wheel to wheel defending is as clumsy/dirty as always, as soon as he comes under any real pressure.

Again, as usual, he expects anyone attacking him to leap out of his way in breaking zones, ruining their move and/or compromising their exit of a corner. Or they collide when they don’t yield & the outcome is a lottery.

It’s a shame it’s part of his racing DNA, as he’s got more than enough talent to win close races & championships without doing so.

His attempt to block Lando after the puncture was pretty mental though.
 
Funny to hear Max on the radio complaining when he's Mr Divebomb.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Yeah don't mind calling any driver out but that's not what's happening here is it? It's toxic behaviour exactly like you're showing now spouting shite like "Max fan bingo" without engaging into any meaningful discussion. "Driving he was penalised for by the way", again, just a lazy comment. Norris was also penalised for what I called him out on :lol:
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At any point have I defended Lando? He’s not innocent in this race either and believe it or not just because he’s British I don’t particularly follow him, or Russell by the way. It’s not just a nationality thing, so you can park that.

None of what I have “spouted” is lazy or toxic, it’s fact. You literally mentioned Silverstone, Hamilton isn’t even involved in this yet it’s mentioned, it’s not a comparable move yet it’s mentioned. You know you can just admit Max was wrong here or does pointing that out just make it a “lazy comment”.
 
Verstappen has always been a reckless, dangerous cnut. Now his car isn’t a billion times better than everyone else’s and he has to compete a little, we see the leopard never changed his spots.
 
Max was a very naughty boy yesterday. He moved several times off his line whilst breaking against Norris and he also took Norris out to when they came together. He was feeling the pressure yesterday after the final pit stop and do the first time in a long time made some rather big errors. That’s still doesn’t mean he isn’t one of the greatest drivers to drive F1 car, but he still is only human.
 
hobbers said:
Nah, my posts just contrast nicely with the furious hysteria we always see from the usual group whenever he does anything sub-perfect.

Max and Lando are my two favourite drivers, along with Alonso. Lando will be the next driver who wins the WDC and I'll be delighted whenever that happens. So there's no tint when I say that Max was technically at fault, but Lando drove pretty ragged and desperately in the two races this weekend and should have done better. Picked a smarter way to get past than the half a dozen dive bombs he tried over the weekend into the same corner.
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Andrea Stella: "The entire population in the world would know who is responsible except for a group of people but the problem behind it is that if you don't address these things honestly they will come back. They have come back today because they were not addressed properly...

(Talking about 2021 Max v Lewis)

It’s a well known fact when Stappen under pressure he sticks his shoulders out and panicks a little. Since he won his first unofficial world title which will always have a * next to it Red bull have a lot of influence in the back ground. Giving Stappen 2 penalty points for a clear breach of weaver birding yet no disqualification of points whereas Lando walks away with nothing once again highlights that there’s still a problem behind the scene.

like I said though it’s not if but when Lando & Stappen fall out. Stappen not called Billy no mates for nothing. He‘l friend anyone when winning but when under the cosh he’d have his own mother over.

Agreed Lando got what it takes to be world champion and arguably the most liked driver on the grid. Reading passed post you do seem to have a liking for the bad boys :lol: So liking Lando bit of a surprise.

Anyway main event next week. In my dreams the result will be Hamilton/Lando/Russell :cool:
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Yeah don't mind calling any driver out but that's not what's happening here is it? It's toxic behaviour exactly like you're showing now spouting shite like "Max fan bingo" without engaging into any meaningful discussion. "Driving he was penalised for by the way", again, just a lazy comment. Norris was also penalised for what I called him out on :lol:
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No he was not. He was penalized for track limits.
 
antk said:
No he was not. He was penalized for track limits.
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Exactly, after the black and white flag he dived down the inside again, missed the corner and overtook Max outside the track thus getting the penalty for track limits. Didn't get a further penalty because he was told to give the position back. Would probably have got another penalty for forcing Max off the track had he been able to continue.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Exactly, after the black and white flag he dived down the inside again, missed the corner and overtook Max outside the track thus getting the penalty for track limits. Didn't get a further penalty because he was told to give the position back. Would probably have got another penalty for forcing Max off the track had he been able to continue.
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So he was not penalized for "dive bombing" or whatever you said? Norris made very poor overtaking moves yesterday, don't know why you need to invent alternate realities to support that point.
 
Leg-End said:
At any point have I defended Lando? He’s not innocent in this race either and believe it or not just because he’s British I don’t particularly follow him, or Russell by the way. It’s not just a nationality thing, so you can park that.

None of what I have “spouted” is lazy or toxic, it’s fact. You literally mentioned Silverstone, Hamilton isn’t even involved in this yet it’s mentioned, it’s not a comparable move yet it’s mentioned. You know you can just admit Max was wrong here or does pointing that out just make it a “lazy comment”.
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It's not just a nationality thing but of course this does matter a lot on here. I'm literally getting replies on here going "You're Dutch eh?" just because I'm defending Max, or at least not blaming him for anything and everything like most on here. As if its not the same the other way around. I mentioned Silverstone because it's an obvious example of this. I have already posted that I'm fine with the penalty for Max, though I think it could easily be judged as a racing incident as these types of moves happen all the time, all drivers do it and it's hardly the moving under braking that we saw years ago when it was still allowed. Just take a look at this clip from last year when Max was in Norris' position and Max overtook Sainz. Sainz does exactly the same thing Max did, it's just Max dodged him and then overtook him.

 
antk said:
So he was not penalized for "dive bombing" or whatever you said? Norris made very poor overtaking moves yesterday, don't know why you need to invent alternate realities to support that point.
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Alternate reality eh? Had he not been divebombing he wouldn't have had the penalty for track limits, that's very real. He divebombs, goes off track as a result, gets a penalty for exceeding track limits.



This video shows the incident starting from 4:47, and directly after that it shows another dive by Lando where he barely manages to keep it on track and forces Max off. Somehow the British commentator manages to make it seem like Max was in the wrong there as well, you'd never have guessed :lol:
 
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hobbers said:
Lando forced Max off the track only 1 week ago in Spain at the start. In a more dangerous situation. But it didnt matter because it was hard racing and Max avoided contact.

And the video of Sainz doing the same thing last year shows how easy it should have been for Lando to avoid contact, switchback and get an easy overtake done, but for some reason he completely botched it.
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What's your point? Norris was wrong and should have been penalized last week too.
 
verstappen expects gaps to be left and drivers to go out of their way to accommodate him and his race when he overtakes, and he expects the same when he’s defending. he’s like the kid with the ball at school, and he’s the only one allowed to take the penalties or score any goals. if anyone else does, he takes his ball and leaves.

he’s a phenomenal driver but he’s a massive twat. defending him or his actions doesn’t help him. he would massively benefit from leaving red bull, but i’m not sure his ego will ever let him admit he did something wrong. so going to a team with racing standards might be off the cards.
 
rimaldo said:
verstappen expects gaps to be left and drivers to go out of their way to accommodate him and his race when he overtakes, and he expects the same when he’s defending. he’s like the kid with the ball at school, and he’s the only one allowed to take the penalties or score any goals. if anyone else does, he takes his ball and leaves.

he’s a phenomenal driver but he’s a massive twat. defending him or his actions doesn’t help him. he would massively benefit from leaving red bull, but i’m not sure his ego will ever let him admit he did something wrong. so going to a team with racing standards might be off the cards.
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Raised by Jos and Horner, married to the old racist cnut's daughter, he didn't stand a chance of avoiding being a thundercnut. If he did leave Red Bull, you might find that like Vettel he becomes a bit of a legend. I won't hold my breath though.
 
rimaldo said:
verstappen expects gaps to be left and drivers to go out of their way to accommodate him and his race when he overtakes, and he expects the same when he’s defending. he’s like the kid with the ball at school, and he’s the only one allowed to take the penalties or score any goals. if anyone else does, he takes his ball and leaves.

he’s a phenomenal driver but he’s a massive twat. defending him or his actions doesn’t help him. he would massively benefit from leaving red bull, but i’m not sure his ego will ever let him admit he did something wrong. so going to a team with racing standards might be off the cards.
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I think it was a combination of him being a bit childish, but also of him not dealing with his anger about the last pit stop because he also made several other errors we haven’t seen him make for quite a while now.
 
hobbers said:
How do you plan on getting a team with racing standards into F1?
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there are plenty of them. just look at the ones that allow their drivers to race each other and look to have two competitive drivers in the seat at the same time.
 
Rams said:
I think it was a combination of him being a bit childish, but also of him not dealing with his anger about the last pit stop because he also made several other errors we haven’t seen him make for quite a while now.
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it’s easy to perform under no pressure. like many have said, he doesn’t look to have matured or learnt anything from 2021. it’s a shame he won it that year, as his penalties for reckless driving costing him the championship might have forced him into a modicum of introspection. looks like it’s same old max when he doesn’t have a car that’s a second a lap faster than everyone else. which is a massive shame, as he’s clearly the best driver of this generation, and in with a shout to be the best ever. time is never kind to dickheads though. he could end up with 20 championships and people will still rate the likes of senna ahead of him.

you can still have an edge and be spiky without being a spoilt brat. max isn’t getting those lessons from those around him. he’s just being told everyone else is wrong.
 
hobbers said:
Sounds like an alternate reality. Whenever a team with the fastest car has two competitive drivers the team dynamic always disintegrates rapidly. Just ask McLaren/Alonso and Mercedes/Rosberg.
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agreed that you don’t want the two best drivers on the grid in the same car as each other, but there’s some good middle ground between that and being happy with a driver that’s not quite so clearly number 2 when it comes to car set up, and means when you have a tangle with another car, a puncture, a penalty and a bodged pitstop, that the second driver finishes ahead of you at the end of the race. it’s just something else max doesn’t need to learn to be an adult about.
 
rimaldo said:
it’s easy to perform under no pressure. like many have said, he doesn’t look to have matured or learnt anything from 2021. it’s a shame he won it that year, as his penalties for reckless driving costing him the championship might have forced him into a modicum of introspection. looks like it’s same old max when he doesn’t have a car that’s a second a lap faster than everyone else. which is a massive shame, as he’s clearly the best driver of this generation, and in with a shout to be the best ever. time is never kind to dickheads though. he could end up with 20 championships and people will still rate the likes of senna ahead of him.

you can still have an edge and be spiky without being a spoilt brat. max isn’t getting those lessons from those around him. he’s just being told everyone else is wrong.
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Yes it’s definitely a weakness and will eventually bite him in the arse!
 
rimaldo said:
verstappen expects gaps to be left and drivers to go out of their way to accommodate him and his race when he overtakes, and he expects the same when he’s defending. he’s like the kid with the ball at school, and he’s the only one allowed to take the penalties or score any goals. if anyone else does, he takes his ball and leaves.

he’s a phenomenal driver but he’s a massive twat. defending him or his actions doesn’t help him. he would massively benefit from leaving red bull, but i’m not sure his ego will ever let him admit he did something wrong. so going to a team with racing standards might be off the cards.
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You really think Merc would tell him to stop being him? That's exactly why they want him. Only massive benefit Merc has is that it's PR/media machine to spin things more positively is far more powerful than RBs.

Also: @rimaldo talking about how he ll never be compared to the likes of Senna if he s a brat. Surely even you don't believe that. He seems to generally very well liked off track. Don't confuse the actions on track and demonize an entire person. By all accounts his own post race response has shown he is much more mature than he used to be. If anything, Lando showed a lot more immaturity this time around. But that's expected regardless. They re still 20 something year olds. We literally had some of the greats looking for fist fights on more than one occasion and demonizing the other driver to great degrees after the races. Today is very tame in that sense.

If you take sports this personal maybe you should step away for your own mental health.
 
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hobbers said:
Lewis has 7 WDCs and most people still dont hold him in the same regard as Senna, so not sure what sort of resonance that's supposed to have anyway.

I dont know how anyone gets invested in this sport without realising that all F1 drivers are brats and divas. Lando is probably the moodiest, mardiest brat on the grid right now. But why wouldnt he be? He's a 24 year old F1 driver from a family with over £200m net worth.
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All good points.

Senna has some mythical deity status in the sport but at least I'm glad some more folks have come around to saying that he was far from being a symbol of purity himself. Time does weird things, and yes - the fact he died in the saddle helped his legacy in that sense. Schumacher, Lewis, Seb and Max will all be more fondly remembered when they are no longer with us. Unfortunately.
 
rimaldo said:
verstappen expects gaps to be left and drivers to go out of their way to accommodate him and his race when he overtakes, and he expects the same when he’s defending. he’s like the kid with the ball at school, and he’s the only one allowed to take the penalties or score any goals. if anyone else does, he takes his ball and leaves.

he’s a phenomenal driver but he’s a massive twat. defending him or his actions doesn’t help him. he would massively benefit from leaving red bull, but i’m not sure his ego will ever let him admit he did something wrong. so going to a team with racing standards might be off the cards.
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Would like to see statements like these backed up. Surely it can't be based on this race where Max had to avoid Norris several times (and then somehow blaming Max for it on the radio as well, which was just weird), or the race before where Norris pushed Max on the grass at the start and they joked about it afterwards with Norris saying he left Max "plenty of space" but he refuses to react and screams bloody murder when Max squeezes him this time around. So based on the last two races it seems to me like it's Norris who's been expressing the type of behaviour you're describing here and not Max.

The truth is it's racing, and racers want to win. They hate it when they don't. And when the pressure is on and you're fighting for the lead in F1, you're probably not going to be your nicest self. Comes down to personal preference which type of cnut you prefer I guess. I mean, even when they aren't really racing they can be hot headed cnuts. You just have to look back at FP3 of last week (Spain) where Leclerc purposely drove into Norris and Stroll into Hamilton just because they were in the way a bit on a push lap.
 
It's Norris' fault. He should've been more patient and kept trying for a better exit at turn 3. I reckon he'd have got him on the straight eventually. Divebombing like a lunatic wasn't the right move here.
 
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