F1 2021 Season

Not as bad as this week. Hamilton losing like that has pissed off all his fans. I cam understand to a certain extent, but give it a rest.

At least in match threads most of the anger is directed at the people doing the sportsing, but this thread really is different. So much animosity and outrage from so many participants, everybody's ready to jump at the next throat. I'll lurk the 2022 thread just for entertainment, I guess. Keep it up!
 
I don't think Lewis will quit. I think Mercedes are playing a bit of Holywood here. If Lewis quit there would be a strong narrative around 'Max retired him', a bit like when Rosberg won the title and then retired and a lot of the narrative was about him not wanting to take Lewis on again. Perhaps Lewis doesn't care.

A lot might depend on how strong they think the car is, Ted Kravitz was talking over the weekend about how it seems Mercedes seems to be ahead in the development than the other teams. Which incidentally, if true, would be worrying for Ferrari as didn't they declare their new car as being "done"?
 
I agree with this. Lewis didn't need to give the place back, but he should have dropped a bit further back. Although as you say, it would have had little effect. Perhaps because the stewards thought the move wasn't fair, they weren't inclined to quibble over 0.5s-1s?
Maybe. Thought it was a weird decision at the time by the stewards. It probably didn't matter in the end, but they couldn't have known that. Although letting Lewis keep the second advantage also made sure he wouldn't be attacked for the rest of the lap. Oh well, we've come to expect such decisions from the stewards this season. It is what it is.
 
I did see some rent-a-quote tabloid article with Bourdais saying Perez holding Hamilton up was unsportsmanlike.

Firstly, obviously it isn't unsportsmanlike. It's a team game and tactical driving to help your team mate is not only fair but necessary. Ask Ocon and Alonso.

Secondly, that idiot obviously has a very short memory because cast your mind back to 2016 and what was Lewis trying to do to Rosberg, his team mate, in the final race? Hold him up. Which was also absolutely a fair and smart thing to try.
Of course it's not unsportsmanlike like. It was his job. I thought that Checo played his part in the contest as good as could have been expected. If Checo had taken Lewis of the track deliberately then that would have been unsporting but holding him up is totally in the rules of the sport.
 
No it's homophobic and racist...
perhaps that's why you support it?

The meltdown on here is glorious.

Especially from this clown who thinks the race was decided due to homophobia and racism. You are an embarrassment.

Lewis Hamilton has never made a mistake? Toto Wolff has never made a mistake? the Fanboys on here have never made a mistake?

Masi made a mistake, only in that he never allowed all lapped cars through. He could have done so and the end result would have been the same.
Laughable thing is the same people who are pissing their pants over this are the same ones who will tell you how great Senna was, how great Schumacher was despite the fact they both blatantly took people out to win or try to win Championships.

Sennas actions were disgusting but he won the title. He basically cheated, it was premeditated.

There is no evidence that anyone cheated here, just that one person made a mistake.
Despite what people say this will not have any negative affect on F1.
Get a grip ffs, nobody died.

Roll on March
 
There were many posts quibbling about the loss of a 12 second lead Hamilton had built up. It was always been thus. I understand and empathize with the unlapping cars fiasco but many people were genuinely complaining that he lost a 12 second lead and they were complaining about F1 prioritizing new generation fans. Bit of a head scratcher that as Safety car, yellow and red flag rules are not new. Hamilton in this very season benefitted with a red flag scenario. I'm just saying that F1 is out to get Lewis Hamilton is a bit tiring. If anything, Lewis Hamilton is the 7 time champion, on the verge of breaking Schumacher's record.

Sorry, it's just a bit baffling.
The issue isn't that F1 is out to get Lewis Hamilton. So I can understand why that would be baffling!

The issue is Masi/the FIA not following the safety car rules. Which unfairly handed the title to Max, maybe because Masi wanted "entertainment", maybe because a different champion would increase ratings, who knows why? But the issue is rules were broken in an unprecedented way, which effectively chose the winner of this year's championship.

That is hard to take, no matter who won or who lost. Losing faith in the fairness of any sport makes that sport hollow.
 
Not surprised, I am also disillusioned and I'm just an observer.
Honestly I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hamilton does call it a day, because I don't know where he goes from here, not sure that I can see him winning the title back, so perhaps it is the right time to step down..
I could see him winning the title back, but I totally understand if he leaves. It would be a loss to F1, but they have caused so much damage to the integrity of the sport.
 
That's a myth. Lewis didn't give back the same and even IF he did, its ridiculous because any other time a driver has to give position back
But Lewis didn't gain a place. He was ahead going into the corner and after going off the track was ahead coming out of the corner his lead was just bigger.
 
Was the lead really that much bigger before the braking zone. I look forward to every driver taking a leaf out of Max's book and dive bombs galore next season.
 
Of course it's not unsportsmanlike like. It was his job. I thought that Checo played his part in the contest as good as could have been expected. If Checo had taken Lewis of the track deliberately then that would have been unsporting but holding him up is totally in the rules of the sport.
Yes Checo did well to be fair and helping Max in qualifying. Fair fecks to him.
 
I could see him winning the title back, but I totally understand if he leaves. It would be a loss to F1, but they have caused so much damage to the integrity of the sport.
sorry but the majority could not give a monkeys,
the crowds will be there next season same as always.
The rules / regulations in F1 have been inconsistent at best for many years.
Senna, a hero to many won a world title through cheating.
Worse than this episode in my opinion.
 
I don't think Lewis will quit. I think Mercedes are playing a bit of Holywood here. If Lewis quit there would be a strong narrative around 'Max retired him', a bit like when Rosberg won the title and then retired and a lot of the narrative was about him not wanting to take Lewis on again. Perhaps Lewis doesn't care.

Exactly. We’re all being given the Hollywood treatment here, especially from the FIA. They couldn’t have dreamed for a bigger ending than that which will live on into next season regardless of whether he comes back.

Arguing pro Max or Lewis is a bit of a moot point and a waste of energy for everyone. They were both fantastic and overall Max probably deserved it (based on race wins, laps lead etc.) but certainly wasn’t going to win it until that intervention in the last 5 laps.

I really like Lewis as a person. I think he’ll come back if the new car is competitive and he’ll get the 8 and it’ll be even more Hollywood that he finally smashed the record and a whole new generation will have been sucked into F1.
 
sorry but the majority could not give a monkeys,
the crowds will be there next season same as always.
The rules / regulations in F1 have been inconsistent at best for many years.
Senna, a hero to many won a world title through cheating.
Worse than this episode in my opinion.
WWE also attracted big crowds.
 
Checo's bit of defending was the best piece of driving all race. How can anyone hate that? He legitimately made the race exciting. Great stuff.
 
Who cares when it's scripted? If i'm watching Hollywood at least I don't get a pathetic clueless weasel in the commanding role of the movie.
Oh give over with the scripted bullshit. If Latifi didn't crash, what would the script have been then?
 
sorry but the majority could not give a monkeys,
the crowds will be there next season same as always.
The rules / regulations in F1 have been inconsistent at best for many years.
Senna, a hero to many won a world title through cheating.
Worse than this episode in my opinion.

How do you know that the majority could not give a monkeys?
 
The issue isn't that F1 is out to get Lewis Hamilton. So I can understand why that would be baffling!

The issue is Masi/the FIA not following the safety car rules. Which unfairly handed the title to Max, maybe because Masi wanted "entertainment", maybe because a different champion would increase ratings, who knows why? But the issue is rules were broken in an unprecedented way, which effectively chose the winner of this year's championship.

That is hard to take, no matter who won or who lost. Losing faith in the fairness of any sport makes that sport hollow.

Some guy on internet is making ridiculous post like yours saying verstappen only lost because hamilton took him out on Silverstone. Commiserations
 
I’m going for a left field take here. I actually think this is benefitting Hamilton’s legacy. Yes 8 would take him past Schumacher. But, if there was always something which held Lewis back from a likeability perspective it was always his perceived arrogance and lack of sportsmanship. Heck, I didn’t like him for a long time.

In the context of what he’s trying to do now, from race equality in the sport, creating a platform for young minority children to have a shot, being seen as a role model. In a bizarre way, the way he’s carried himself after the race will cement him with a legacy that far exceeds what the 8th title would have.

He might walk away now. He might not. I don’t know. But in some ways being the “victim” here will have changed his image drastically to everyone who isn’t a huge Max fan. From neutrals to even less hardcore Max fans, his standing has taken a significant boost. Good for him.
 
Oh give over with the scripted bullshit. If Latifi didn't crash, what would the script have been then?
The race I watched Sunday was very much influenced by the stewards to make it "entertaining". They do not even claim otherwise. The same has been true for much of this season, which has left us with many baffling decisions. Maybe scripted is the wrong word, maybe tempered suits it better. It was influenced from the outside from people who believe they can artificially create something that is better than racing.
 
As a casual viewer I've noticed lots of whining about Horner but I can't help but love his sly digs and shithousing remarks. :lol:
 
As a casual viewer I've noticed lots of whining about Horner but I can't help but love his sly digs and shithousing remarks. :lol:
I actually dislike him less than Toto who seems like a genuine arsehole. Both are just a bit special and very competitive though.

Never knew F1 was such a handbags out sport.

Well before I entered the caf F1 thread anyway.
 
I actually dislike him less than Toto who seems like a genuine arsehole. Both are just a bit special and very competitive though.

Never knew F1 was such a handbags out sport.

Well before I entered the caf F1 thread anyway.
There both arseholes, toto does seem like a primadonna though with all his antics and playing up for the camera the whole time, the hammerheads don’t like it when you call there toto an arsehole do they.

the thing is you have to be an arsehole to be at the top of this sport