Yawn, and you give people in this thread shit for being new to the sport when you come out with comments like that.
Again, Lewis had the exact same opportunity to pit as max and chose not to.
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Again, Lewis had the exact same opportunity to pit as max and chose not to.
Only he didn't.
Is Max a great driver, yes. Yes I agree and this will be the first on his WC wins
Was he the better driver this season, no. 50/50 for me, the argument is he should have won before the last race
Was he handed the title by the FIA, yes. 100% Yes
Yes he did, but if he had done, he would have lost track position to Max.
Again, Lewis had the exact same opportunity to pit as max and chose not to.
I feel a little sorry for Max I have to admit. The entire world, fans and non-fans, tuned in to witness Masi fix the race live on TV and he didn't deserve that shenanigans for his great season.
Lewis Hamilton hinted at foul play on the part of race control in the heat of the moment during Sunday's dramatic Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
After being overhauled by Max Verstappen on the final lap of the title deciding event and realizing that all was lost, Hamilton buzzed his faithful Mercedes race engineer Peter Bonnington.
The Briton's words to Bono were unequivocal: "The race has been manipulated, man!"
Bono had kept his driver informed of the ongoing process during the safety car period that had been triggered by Nichola Latifi just five laps from the chequered.
Hamilton was initially informed that the train of five lapped cars positioned directly behind him and ahead of Verstappen would not be allowed to overtake.
https://f1i.com/news/428693-hamilto...leL7U-aSOTmNDtxU0NBO45eFFxh_H16Nj1_G7EVQaP7OM
After being overhauled by Max Verstappen on the final lap of the title deciding event and realizing that all was lost, Hamilton buzzed his faithful Mercedes race engineer Peter Bonnington.
The Briton's words to Bono were unequivocal: "The race has been manipulated, man!"
Bono had kept his driver informed of the ongoing process during the safety car period that had been triggered by Nichola Latifi just five laps from the chequered.
Hamilton was initially informed that the train of five lapped cars positioned directly behind him and ahead of Verstappen would not be allowed to overtake.
https://f1i.com/news/428693-hamilto...leL7U-aSOTmNDtxU0NBO45eFFxh_H16Nj1_G7EVQaP7OM
You are clearly on a wum since you know the sport and the ramifications if Lewis had pitted. We get that you are still upset after what happened to Massa. I feel badly for Massa and his dad etc. That was an awful way to lose, although that was done without FIA injecting themselves into the outcome.
Again, Lewis had the exact same opportunity to pit as max and chose not to.
Again, Lewis had the exact same opportunity to pit as max and chose not to.
Lewis would've lost track position. He was leading and had everything to lose.
Max had a free pitstop as he never had track position and had absolutely nothing to lose.
How is that difficult to understand? Or are you just on the wind up?
I agree. I think once this all settles down, it'll leave a sour taste in his mouth over how he won his first WC.
He didn't deserve that after the way he drove this season.
I wouldn't feel all to sorry for Max really - he wouldn't have won the title if it weren't for the ridiculous decision. Sure, he would've rathered win it properly, but I guess for him winning it this way is better than not winning it.
It's been a few years hasn't itFelipe Massa???
For many people this would be true. But from everything we’ve seen from Christian and Max, they are narcissists in a similar mind frame mold as someone like Trump. Max really won’t care, in my opinion at least.
I would say that I struggle with the argument he didn’t deserve the title. I 100% don’t think he deserved it more than Lewis but I think they deserved it equally and I really think they both had a fair right to claim it. Both have been exceptional, let’s face it. If you for a moment ignore his erratic driving and childish behaviour, Max performed in pretty much every single race and drove exceptionally.
Now that behaviour and driving style is why I so much would have preferred Hamilton to win. And, in the context of what happened yesterday, as you say, Max will ALWAYS know that he only won yesterday because of a sequence of multiple things that all went his way. Whether he cares or not, or even sees it that way (he probably thinks he was due some luck, as he’s deluded!), I don’t know.
I think Masi is a goner regardless of the appeal.
Poles don't necessarily mean race pace though. Max got pole by a good margin for this last GP, but Lewis cruised from start to (almost) finish. And either way, Max still ended up with more poles than Merc.
Hungary - Max was hit on the first corner, Lewis should have won but again, that's because Max was virtually out of contention with the damaged car. Monza is the only one I'd agree with Merc having the advantage, Turkey Bottas did dominate so there is an argument for that. That is still only 4 of 14 races.
This, I think, is broadly how I feel.
He would have won the title a few races ago.
After a nights sleep, I can't help but still feel disappointed about the race. It left a sour taste and I feel somewhat sorry for Hamilton who drove very well and suddenly found himself being a sitting duck.
Massa lost the WDC because Glock was on dry tires in 2008 and it started to rain the last couple of laps. That was enough for Lewis to go past Glock for 5th. Vettel also went past him for 4th, and had previously overtaken Lewis. If Glock had had the right tires Massa would have won that year.Felipe Massa???
Totally the same as the FIA deciding a race. I know.
I know it’s not the right way of thinking about it, but I am so glad that he has 7 titles and already done amazing things in his career. This will hurt, and it’s such BS, and it doesn’t make it right, but at least I have confidence when the dust settles he will be able to find peace in a happy place. If it was someone competing for their first ever title and they lost it like this, I’d seriously worry about their future.
Like many others this is my first season watching F1 after watching Drive to Survive and I've thoroughly enjoyed it & it gets me excited for next season, and not off putting for new viewers like some in here have suggested. I like how the series focuses on the mid teams as opposed to just Red Bull/Mercedes but that might have been down to how much of a procession it has been in previous years. But watching all the races live this season I found myself not really caring about anyone below third, but again that might be due to how tight it was between the top two.
My main gripe with the sport is how much of it comes down to circumstantial events which are out of control for the drivers. It definitely creates a thrill knowing that a huge lead can be wiped out in the space of seconds if a car placed 15th crashes into the side but it doesn't sit right. I don't like how a team can benefit from a yellow flag because they conveniently pitted just before. I guess that is what makes it different to other sports but it's too random in that regard and I'm surprised how much is left to pure chance. I don't really know what the alternative should be. It was cruel for Lewis yesterday but the race where Max just skidded off with 3 laps to go and miles in front was also awfully unfair.
Good fun though, and makes a good alternative to "Super Sunday" when it's Burnley vs Norwich.
My main gripe with the sport is how much of it comes down to circumstantial events which are out of control for the drivers. It definitely creates a thrill knowing that a huge lead can be wiped out in the space of seconds if a car placed 15th crashes into the side but it doesn't sit right. I don't like how a team can benefit from a yellow flag because they conveniently pitted just before. I guess that is what makes it different to other sports but it's too random in that regard and I'm surprised how much is left to pure chance. I don't really know what the alternative should be. It was cruel for Lewis yesterday but the race where Max just skidded off with 3 laps to go and miles in front was also awfully unfair.
Good fun though, and makes a good alternative to "Super Sunday" when it's Burnley vs Norwich.
It's not this exciting every year. When Lewis retires (sooner than you think), Max will win the driver's title by 100 points every year until the FIA decide to nerf his car as usual.
I don't see another young driver as fast as him honestly.
Whilst it might take him some time to get up to that level consistently again, Russell was the faster of him, Lando, Max and Albon in their time as they came up together.
Lewis was ahead of Glock when it rained but pitted along with Vettel and the others for inters, Glock just tried to brave it out on the dry tyres which took him from 7th to 4th then back down to 6th on the last lap. Had Glock pitted to get on the right tyres, Lewis would have already been in 5th.
He brought it up earlier in the thread. Gosh, 2008. Where does the time go. I still remember "that's Timo Glock"
Nah the likes of Leclerc, Russell, Norris more than have the potential to match Verstappen IMO.
With a little more experience and a car just as fast they'll be right up with him.
As usual though in F1, things rarely become that even. If the Red bull is the dominant car he will win at a canter (like Hamilton has been)
russell and norris also benefit for the clear bias towards everything british in f1.
The rules change next year for cars. I don't think the Mercedes will be dominant anymore. The rules are meant to nerf their car. Even this year they weren't dominant at all.
If the Ferrari, McLaren or Mercedes don't have a clear car advantage over RB (and Lewis isn't there), I put my money on Max to win, every time. I just don't see the others at his current level.
And with Adrian Newey at RB, it's always hard to beat his cars.
Also true.
When has Russell ever been faster than Max?
Max was pretty much fast-tracked to F1 and barely competed in any single seater series.
They should all have to drive the same car and make it purely about the drivers abilities
Not at all.
Russell GP3 and GP2 champion. He's proved it all through the junior rankings and done a great job at Williams. Let's not forget he more than matched Bottas in 1 weekend with Mercedes, a very impressive feat.
Norris, world karting champion and pushed Russell very close in their GP2 season together. Out driving a well established driver in Ricciardo, and shown his ability in qualifying and wet weather sessions (Belgium,Russia) which many believe equalises the cars and shows a drivers ability to control the car. Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton and Verstappen have all shown great wet weather ability to go with it.
People that dont rate Norris and think think he's just a british twitch streamer are very much mistaken.
Are they popular because they're british? sure, but they got here because they're class drivers, not because of popularity.
Karting.
How about Spa when Russell nearly out qualified Max in the wet in a Williams?
Who ever you support. You take away one of Max/Lewis, we would've had a snoozefest for a championship this year. Be happy with the rivalry and move on...
He needs to be wayyyy better than Bottas to beat Max.
Bottas is this season's biggest wet wipe. While Max could count on Checo for help usually, Bottas is down there racing Latifi and Ocon most weekends. In a fecking Mercedes!
Not many drivers can step into a car that you haven't driven all year and beat the current driver over 1 weekend. No matter who it is, that is very special.
Bottas last year was infinitely better than this year also. (This year he's sucked) People seem to be thinking that Russell isn't that great because he's spent a few years in a slow car?
I think they're in for a rude awakening next year. He's going to push Lewis and Max all the way IMO.