No Mercedes didn’t pit him because he would have lost track position. It was before that decision was made by race control.
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No Mercedes didn’t pit him because he would have lost track position. It was before that decision was made by race control.
This. That's what makes this stink so much.
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Masi in his Red Bull team gear would have red flagged it if Hamilton pitted, I bet Mercedes legit thought that as well so didn't want to give up track position.
Max did go ahead of Lewis under the SC too, inches obviously but he shouldn't really be alongside someone like that so again another rule they need to clarify next season.
Max did go ahead of Lewis under the SC too, inches obviously but he shouldn't really be alongside someone like that so again another rule they need to clarify next season.
Yes agree. Hence why Mercedes didnt pit him
To be fair, surely their decision to pit would have been before the radio message anyway.
The didn't do it right away, so it would have been too late to pit anyway
It looked like they would be finishing under SC
What a mess, none of this would have happened had they made the correct decision on lap 1 but I feel like Masi wanted to make it even at the end by giving Red Bull a chance to win at the end.
To be fair I respect that - top WUM
Because Hamilton was consistently faster, by a massive margin, throughout the entire race both on older and slower tyres. Because Verstappen started on softs, he would almost certainly had to pit first, meaning Hamilton could bang more fastest laps in, thereby giving him the undercut when he made his own stop.
I follow F1, football, Gaelic football, Hurling and Rugby. There's moaning about referees in every single one of them, as well as tennis, cricket, NFL and golf. If this isn't sport then nothing is.There was a crash with 5 or 6 laps to go. The race director brought out a safety car to slow everyone down while the crash is cleared. The crash was cleared with about one lap to go. The problem is that there was several lapped cars, including about 5 lapped cars physically between Max and Lewis that couldn't unlap themselves because of the safety car. There was confusion as to whether the lapped cars could unlap themselves (allowing Max to go right behind Lewis) or not (giving Lewis a 5 car barrier). In the end, they decided to let the 5 cars between Max and Lewis unlap themselves but not the others.
Lewis' team and fans think this is robbery because it helped Max and that all of the lapped cars or none of them should have been let through.
Red Bull and Max fans argue that if all of the cars were made to unlap themselves, it would have taken too long and the whole thing would have been decided by a safety car.
None of them do. Totto and Horner are competitors. Same as Ferguson or Pep. They'd do anything to win.
Yes I know that
Yes I know that
They all clearly know this isn't good for F1.
When even the sky mouthpieces are struggling to raise any kind of enthusiasm, you know what they all truly think.
Forget everything, how anyone can think that’s a just end is just nonsense. As fans of the sport, everyone should not be happy by that. Hamilton has won the race all apart from a string of unlucky moments and questionable decisions. Taking a step back, even if everything was done by the book, Max didn’t deserve this race. The title overall? Sure. But not this way.
I think Mercedes are correct in their protest, but if they win and Max is well I dont know what they would do DQ him add time on , who know, but if any other then Mercedes being told accept it happens, it will be a bigger farce than it already is.
Yes looked like.
RB were free to gamble. Mercedes were not. Hamilton was also very unlucky with the timing of the SC being after he passed the pit entry.
And then the timing of when the track was clear for overtaking.
I dont think there is really any issue with the decision to allow the overtaking. The first call not to allow it was made as they didn't think there would be enough time to clear the track. Then it turns out there was, the main problem for me is they only let 5 cars do it instead of all
It's ironic you insult the "state of my comment" when yours is just platitudes without any logic.
You say its not the point, but your point seems to be nothing more than Max deserves it because he deserves it, even though he wasn't faster today and the rules had to be rewritten on the fly for him to do it.
I genuinely don't feel Max has deserved this title, he drove brilliantly when he could race off ahead in the faster car, but when Mercedes caught up he lost the plot and got incredibly dirty. You're welcome to disagree, but the idea that your opinion is the only correct one is beyond arrogant.
Good 4th place for Yuki Tsunoda
Any developments, or them handbags still piling up?
• He maybe crosses the line sometimes but Max is unbelievably talented and has been the quickest driver this season, whether that means he’s the deserved world champion or not I don’t know.
• Mercedes had the faster car for the majority of the races this season so deservedly take home the constructers trophy, although I feel Red Bull have been better on strategy this year.
• Today was an absolute farce, Masi should not be race director, he has absolutely no authority over the team principals and seems to change his interpretation of the rules each week. Rules are rules, you can’t adjust them during weekends for entertainment purposes.
• Can’t imagine the Verstappen’s would have been quite so graceful in defeat as the Hamilton’s. Baffles me why so many dislike Lewis, he’s one of the more likeable guys on grid.
• Mercedes had the faster car for the majority of the races this season so deservedly take home the constructers trophy, although I feel Red Bull have been better on strategy this year.
• Today was an absolute farce, Masi should not be race director, he has absolutely no authority over the team principals and seems to change his interpretation of the rules each week. Rules are rules, you can’t adjust them during weekends for entertainment purposes.
• Can’t imagine the Verstappen’s would have been quite so graceful in defeat as the Hamilton’s. Baffles me why so many dislike Lewis, he’s one of the more likeable guys on grid.
What penalty did Lewis get for overtaking under the safety car which was said to be earlier on this season?
This whole thing is a mess. Even if they do overturn it, what a joke it’d be in that case too, even if right.
Haha I post them when I laugh, it's just that you're very amusingly transparent, you describe yourself in every post you make about others.
It's a shame, you've posted some decent stuff on the football forum, which is why I haven't put you on ignore yet, but in this thread you're easily the worst poster - something about Hamilton turns you into a rabid child.
Anyway I was telling someone else to ignore you and your gloating so they could spend their time more productively. Given that, I'm going to take that advice and deny you the tears that you're here to taste.
There is no good outcome now apart from it being done and dusted today with no tribunals.
Like conversing with a child.
Absolutely. And additionally, even if they decide the outcome was irregular and should be overturned, can they even decide Lewis to be the winner? The race wasn't finished. Replay the match?
Mercedes really could hammer the shit out of the FIA to be honest.
There's been a clear breach of the rules, just because they wanted a spectacle.
Would finishing the race under a safety car been bad? sure. But Hamilton was coasting to a victory anyway. They can't just decide to Deux Ex Machine the last 2 laps to suit their own ratings.
I think they'll take this to CAS and get it over turned.
There's been a clear breach of the rules, just because they wanted a spectacle.
Would finishing the race under a safety car been bad? sure. But Hamilton was coasting to a victory anyway. They can't just decide to Deux Ex Machine the last 2 laps to suit their own ratings.
I think they'll take this to CAS and get it over turned.
I got a tenner for the person who dares start the Let's all laugh at Lewis Hamilton thread.
Hamilton wasn't faster for a lot of the races this season either so.
Fair enough, that's your opinion, that's all you had to say (bolded in red). Like my original post, I believe he did deserve it this season, as did Hamilton.
Yup Masi really fecked up either way. He can't be allowed to continue for next season regardless of who wins the title this year.
You cannot be making shit up as you go along as race director.
They have taken a barrister with them so it's going to drag out which is totally unfair on Max as he's having to pay for FIA / Masi feck up.
Called having a debate.
I haven't watched in years and only watched because it was a decider. I have no horse in this race.
But isn't that all hearsay?
Based on want the, I suppose, experts, said on sky, the people got both decisions wrong.
I'd like to see equal uproar.
Well this whole conversation started because you couldn't accept people disagreeing that Max deserved it. Still, we can disagree, so let's leave it at that.
Anyway, imo, for the neutrals it was very exciting today. A bit of the old back & forth on the 1st lap and last lap.
I don’t recall it being that exciting for quite a while.
I don’t recall it being that exciting for quite a while.
Odds on?
Not sure it's hearsay. I didn't agree with the steward's ruling on the lap 1 incident, but believe in the whole race it wouldn't have mattered. Hamilton was just too quick, and Horner admitted as much shortly before the end of the race (about 12 laps to go).