Yeah. There's no real heart in the post match arguments either.
Even the commentators are flat, I think they all feel it too. The farce has killed it.
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Yeah. There's no real heart in the post match arguments either.
Even the commentators are flat, I think they all feel it too. The farce has killed it.
I think I read once that the Schumacher and Verstappen families used to go on holidays together back in the day.
Always made me wonder if.....you know
Always made me wonder if.....you know
Street rules isn't letting one side have a huge advantage.
Article 39.12 of sporting regs says: "If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
Im not even sure the rule actually applies to this specific situation.
The message wasn’t sent to all teams and the rule doesn't say it needs to be.
Can't ignore him. When I click his profile I don't get the option?
Riiiiiiiiiight.
Everything from the SC onwards has been absolute nonsense and is tarnishing the whole season. What a ridiculous way to end this season.
If Max was ahead though, even if only by an inch, then it’s a nailed on penalty isn’t it? Lewis was penalised for about 0.08mm in Brazil wasnt he ?
If Max was ahead though, even if only by an inch, then it’s a nailed on penalty isn’t it? Lewis was penalised for about 0.08mm in Brazil wasnt he ?
Even the driver interviews were somewhat flat I felt. Specifically Alonso.
How on Earth have you got to the point you're saying that?
I'll say it as simply as I can for you. He's undeserving today because rules had to be broken for him to win. It just so happened that today also decided the championship. He's in that situation because of how good he's driven over the last 20 races or so.
But one more time, he didn't deserve to win today because rules had to be broken for him to win.
Also, honestly no point in keeping on repeating yourself with a point I said ages ago that I agree with.
I knew there was a reason I stopped following this sport ten plus years ago.
proper thumbed in softie vibes.
Bookies still taking bets on this outcome?
Sure, Lewis probably deserved it MORE, but not only one person can deserve it?
A person at their work probably deserves employee of the month, but another employee could've performed better and deserved it more.
That's your opinion anyhow.
Tbh I didnt have a problem because i think many people wanted a racing lap. It was the moving the other cars out of the way that was a bit dodgy. Then again there was only one lap left, because they took forever to make the decision. If it was 2-3 laps then it would've made for a grand, and fairer, finish.
True.
But it happened and he was gloating about it. That wasn't a fair shoot out, regardless of if it was even fair to have one.
That's the thing that bothers me more tbh.
Let them race you prude!
Was quite mature that from Max just then. Pleasantly surprised.
Why does Lewis deserve it more? A lot of bullshit decisions earlier in the seasons…
I don't like this narrative that you can't let this be overturned because it's for the title. The title just literally got decided by outside forces other than on the track 
There's no moral high ground in the way Max 'won'
There's no moral high ground in the way Max 'won'
Correct.
Hamilton was free to pit….
I think it is obvious that both drivers were miles ahead of the field. Max deserved 2nd place. Of course that's my opinion but I'm sure many agree.
Ok, so one race determines who is deserving for you, in which Max had no impact on. That's your decision.
And to repeat myself, I'm not talking about the race today, I'm talking about the whole championship, it's a totally different conversation.
Think he's worried.
Why no uproar about the first lap anymore?
But he didn't based on their decision to not let them pass presumably?
Yep. Should be.
Wow. What a finale.
Haven’t read through all the posts here but wasn't Max screwed out the early decision when Hamilton went off track & got ahead of Max - and so the decision to race at the last lap just evened out Max’s luck for the day?
Haven’t read through all the posts here but wasn't Max screwed out the early decision when Hamilton went off track & got ahead of Max - and so the decision to race at the last lap just evened out Max’s luck for the day?
In that case Verstappen probably would have stayed out and got track position, and then god knows what the decision at the end would've been. Probably would not have been that gracious towards Lewis.
Went for a walk, what did he say?
Technically yes, but realistically no. That's notwithstanding that would the farcical application of the rules would have been the same had Hamilton pitted and not Verstappen?
His privacy settings means you can't block him.
And won under SC until they changed it.
Evened out? Come on haha
But that wasn't a fair racing lap though. One car had the clear and unfair advantage and was always going to win.
A manufactured one lap shootout was a terrible enough farce, but I still was happy to see it. But the question is more, if we are going to make this happen, how can it be fair if one side is given such a drastic advantage?
The pits rules are a joke. As has been discussed before, they should be abolished. Nobody should be allowed tyre changes under SC/flags and if they are for damage reasons, they lose the places. It can never be fair otherwise.
Hamilton couldn’t pit because if the regulations were actually followed that race would have finished under a safety car. So if he pitted and max didn’t then title gone. Mercedes didn’t know Masi was going to make shit up on the fly.
OFFICIAL: Mercedes protesting Abu Dhabi GP result
Indeed Mercedes have launched two protests.
One is against Max Verstappen for 'breach of Article 48.8 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
One is against the classification, for 'alleged breach of Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
What are Mercedes are protesting
Verstappen
Article 48.8: "With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits."
Classification
"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
"This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car.
"Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap."
Indeed Mercedes have launched two protests.
One is against Max Verstappen for 'breach of Article 48.8 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
One is against the classification, for 'alleged breach of Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.'
What are Mercedes are protesting
Verstappen
Article 48.8: "With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time after the safety car has returned to the pits."
Classification
"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.
"This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car was deployed. Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car.
"Whilst they are overtaking, and in order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap."
He’d have lost track position when all indications were that the race would finish behind the safety car
Like a missed throw in in the first minute being equaled out through an injury time penalty, yes.
Not really, Lewis was much faster early on so I personally don’t think it would have made any difference and Horner said similar during the race.