F1 2021 Season

So you're saying, after watching the entire season, Max doesn't deserve it? Come on man get a grip, both he and Lewis have been far and above everyone else this season.
Both are levels above in these cars. Will be very interesting to see how next season goes with new regs. Hopefully that prat Masi is out too.
 
You are a typical fan who supports people not for what they do on the track but for the twitter drama. Also, your reading comprehension is absolutely dire.

Just put him on ignore, he's been on a wind up all year in this thread, he's rabidly anti Hamilton and is easily the most childish person in the thread.

You'll feel much better just ignoring him, you won't get any sensible discussion.
 
Bigger question is how this guy can be a Verstappen fanboy, when Verstappen has proven to be one of the most awful sportsmen I’ve ever seen in my life, and his coded racist shit he’s done towards Hamilton this season is absolutely disgusting. He’s a complete piece of shit and I can’t fathom how anyone supports him.
Uttertly embarrassing. People should be held accountable for such ridiculous accusations.
 
I mean that's the fair point by Rosberg. Masi could have let them race with those lapped cars between them, as is in the rules. Or you let all of the cars unlap themselves. So for them to just let only the cars in between Max and Lewis unlap themselves makes no sense at all.

yep. that’s the point for me. it’s how it’s been contrived to get max a chance regardless of the rules.
 
They can't change it now. Would be even worse for F1.
Why would it?

It feels like they've taken a stance this season to let as much play out on the track as possible because it appeals to fans.

The trouble with that is it can benefit some drivers over others. If you have rules, stick to them, everyone knows where they stand.
 
They are playing to the casuals, people like me these days (I used to watch ot all the time, but went off it). And it worked today as I enjoyed that.

Not sure how people can defend that's what they do though, it is clearly what they do and what happened there. They want us to watch more and they care about that over any kind of "sport" as it's what lines those pockets.

The 10second penalty last race set this showdown up, the Horner calls for a 1-lap shootout and they give it to him. It's all for the drama, all for the moneymen.

And for the record I don't think they even care who won, it wasn't fixed in favour of a particular team, it was fixed in favour of the people who pay the money.


Coultard just touched on that about the appeal. They just mentioned about what's good for TV vs what's good for the sport.
Totally agree with all that, it’s not fixed for a particular team, just fixed for the drama. To create headlines, to get the quick views, to sell their docu series.

There’s always been drama but I just find it a shame it’s gone this way so blatantly. That ending was ridiculous today no matter who you’re a fan of. It wasn’t even racing, it was so lobsided with one driver having a clear advantage over the other.

like I’ve said previously I’ve never been a massive Lewis fan anyway but that ending made me sick.
 
Deserving is relative though right? Norris has driven brilliantly this season, he's deserving of the title given how well he's done in an inferior car. This season Max deserves it less than Lewis, who managed to stay within touching distance when Max had the faster car, and reeled him in when Mercedes caught up and eventually overtook.

I've said earlier, it's felt all season that this was Max's year, the F1 winds just seemed to be blowing in his favour, but literally making up rules to give him a free overtake that he didn't earn is terrible for the sport.
Thanks for proving my point, "deserves it less", still means he would deserve it. Why should a decision not made by Max, change the opinion of whether or not he deserves it?

And jesus the state of this comment: "Norris has driven brilliantly this season, he's deserving of the title given how well he's done in an inferior car." That is not at all the point.

Some of you really need to come back tomorrow, saying Max doesn't deserve it is ridiculous. I'm saying this as a Hamilton fan through and through.
 
Delighted for Max, Hamilton is a great driver but a total baby when it comes to sportsmanship.
Right, Hamilton is a baby and Max 'I push drives out of the track if they try to overtake me' Verstappen is a paragon of sportmanship? Get over yourself.
 
Do you guys think George Russell will challenge for the title straight away ? Because that could make next year really, really more intense if that's even possible.
 
I mean penalising for that would be a bit of a joke to be honest. But the breach of protocol for the safety car needs to be addressed. Even if not to change this result, Masi must be removed and application of rules must be followed and not just “want to go racing” and for the spectacle.

All perfectly understandable and correct.
And when Masi is removed for making the rules up on the hoof, we have just the job for him. UK Prime Minister.
Yes he is not British, but don't let that stand in the way of a wonderful career.
 
Lewis with fresh tyres on the last lap leads to Max causing a crash I'm sure.

that was the post season controversy i could sign up for with protests and counter protests. this is just shit.
 
So you're saying, after watching the entire season, Max doesn't deserve it? Come on man get a grip, both he and Lewis have been far and above everyone else this season.

I'm literally agreeing with you it is an absolute farce, but one decision that Max has no involvement with, shouldn't change whether or not he deserves it.

Yep. Whoever won that championship would've deserved it.
 
Why would it?

It feels like they've taken a stance this season to let as much play out on the track as possible because it appeals to fans.

The trouble with that is it can benefit some drivers over others. If you have rules, stick to them, everyone knows where they stand.
If they have done it all season then they are not going to change the effect for one race
 
They hung Hamilton out to dry there. Dispicable.

If you want it to be a spectacle then let them fecking both pit.
 
Don’t think even Lewis and Totto would want to win it like this

Mercedes were the ones that sent in the protest. Both drivers have been summoned for alleged breaches

One for 48.8, and Max was indeed in front of Lewis by a few inches, prior to the restart, but not sure it'd be enough to warrant an 'overtake'.

48.8 said:
With the exception of the cases listed under a) to h) below, no driver may overtake another car
on the track, including the safety car, until he passes the Line (see Article 5.3) for the first time
after the safety car has returned to the pits.
The exceptions are:
a) If a driver is signalled to do so from the safety car.
b) Under Articles 36.15 41.1c), or 3948.12, 51.6 and 51.12 below.
c) When entering the pits a driver may pass another car remaining on the track, including
the safety car, after he has reached the first safety car line.
d) When leaving the pits a driver may overtake, or be overtaken by, another car on the track
before he reaches the second safety car line.
e) When the safety car is returning to the pits it may be overtaken by cars on the track once
it has reached the first safety car line.
f) Whilst in the pit entry, pit lane or pit exit a driver may overtake another car which is also
in one of these three areas.
g) Any car stopping in its designated garage area whilst the safety car is using the pit lane
(see Article 3948.11 below) may be overtaken.
h) If any car slows with an obvious problem.

and one for 48.12, unsurprisingly. Which was also posted earlier in this thread.

48.12 said:
If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW
OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that
have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety
car.

This will only apply to cars that were lapped at the time they crossed the Line at the end of the
lap during which they crossed the first Safety Car line for the second time after the safety car
was deployed.
Having overtaken the cars on the lead lap and the safety car these cars should then proceed
around the track at an appropriate speed, without overtaking, and make every effort to take up
position at the back of the line of cars behind the safety car. Whilst they are overtaking, and in
order to ensure this may be carried out safely, the cars on the lead lap must always stay on the
racing line unless deviating from it is unavoidable. Unless the clerk of the course considers the
presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the
safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap.
If the clerk of the course considers track conditions are unsuitable for overtaking the message
"OVERTAKING WILL NOT BE PERMITTED" will be sent to all Competitors via the official messaging
system.
 
Do you guys think George Russell will challenge for the title straight away ? Because that could make next year really, really more intense if that's even possible.
Doubt it, he will be a no2 for Lewis and I won’t have any issues with it considering how many years he has ahead of him
 
Horner "let them race, one last lap"

Absolute joke of a comment. Yeah let them race but then do it fair then. Both on fresh tires.

I'm honestly interested in hearing Max fans opinion on that comment from Horner there. And this has nothing to do with the result or the championship, it's a straight forward question:

Do you think that was a fair "let them race" last lap showdown?
 
Bigger question is how this guy can be a Verstappen fanboy, when Verstappen has proven to be one of the most awful sportsmen I’ve ever seen in my life, and his coded racist shit he’s done towards Hamilton this season is absolutely disgusting. He’s a complete piece of shit and I can’t fathom how anyone supports him.
And lets not forget his wife beating dad.
 
Totally agree with all that, it’s not fixed for a particular team, just fixed for the drama. To create headlines, to get the quick views, to sell their docu series.

There’s always been drama but I just find it a shame it’s gone this way so blatantly. That ending was ridiculous today no matter who you’re a fan of. It wasn’t even racing, it was so lobsided with one driver having a clear advantage over the other.

like I’ve said previously I’ve never been a massive Lewis fan anyway but that ending made me sick.

Very well said.
 
Do you guys think George Russell will challenge for the title straight away ? Because that could make next year really, really more intense if that's even possible.

He will hit the ground running I'm certain. I don't think he's likely to be quite as nice as Hamilton is in wheel to wheel battle either, he's got a point to prove etc. We need Leclerc competitive against Max too, no quarter given.
 
Oof, racist even, maybe you need to calm down a bit.
Uttertly embarrassing. People should be held accountable for such ridiculous accusations.

Yeah I mean I have a healthy dislike of Verstappen, I think he's spoiled, dangerous, and treated unfairly leniently compared to everyone else, but the racism accusation just doesn't land.

It's bizarre, there's more than enough to dislike about him without making stuff like that up.
 
Do you guys think George Russell will challenge for the title straight away ? Because that could make next year really, really more intense if that's even possible.
I think he'll adjust and settle in much quicker than some people think.
 
So you're saying, after watching the entire season, Max doesn't deserve it? Come on man get a grip, both he and Lewis have been far and above everyone else this season.

I'm literally agreeing with you it is an absolute farce, but one decision that Max has no involvement with, shouldn't change whether or not he deserves it.
No doubt Lewis and Max have been the fastest drivers this season.

But for the reasons in my post which you replied to, Max did not deserve to win over Lewis. He drove dirty and the FIA let him get away with it to create "drama". It's a farce.

What Max deserved imo is to come 2nd after some great driving this season.
 
Horner "let them race, one last lap"

Absolute joke of a comment. Yeah let them race but then do it fair then. Both on fresh tires.


I'm honestly interested in hearing Max fans opinion on that comment from Horner there. And this has nothing to do with the result or the championship, it's a straight forward question:

Do you think that was a fair "let them race" last lap showdown?
I agree entirely with this but I don't at the same time.

I really despise the fact that Max got the chance to 'race' after pretty clearly being beaten by Lewis today and coming out second best.
 
Sky F1 may as well put Horner on the Red Button at this point, just a PR mouthpiece for him for the last few years.
 
He will hit the ground running I'm certain. I don't think he's likely to be quite as nice as Hamilton is in wheel to wheel battle either, he's got a point to prove etc. We need Leclerc competitive against Max too, no quarter given.

I'm not sure if Ferrari will improve enough for Leclerc to be up there. It's more likely that Mclaren can do that with Norris.
 
I thought I’d be delighted to see Max win just because I wanted someone other than Hamilton and Mercedes to win but as it’s settled down I do think the better driver on the day by a mile lost and only because of a ridiculous decision. Leaves a bit of an empty feeling really.
 
I mean is there any real shock that certain posters that like Max aren't gracious winners?

Of course not.

I'm surprised it's not even worse tbh. I was looking forward to some right arguments!

All we are getting is some pitifully unfunny woodworms and basic bitch calls of salt. This was supposed to be my post-race entertainment :(
 

I can’t be bothered to go trawling for quotes but he has a clear beef with Hamilton being in the sport at all. The way he talks about it is questionable, to say the least. I’m not the only person to notice it, I know that much.
 
Do you guys think George Russell will challenge for the title straight away ? Because that could make next year really, really more intense if that's even possible.
I seriously hope so, he showed in his chance with Mercedes last year that he'd be capable of winning races so.
 
They hung Hamilton out to dry there. Dispicable.

If you want it to be a spectacle then let them fecking both pit.

Exactly. The last lap was most certainly not a race. It was a walk over due to circumstances.
And don't forget the weaving Verstappen was doing after he had passed Hamilton.
As you say. The so called last lap racing was not racing.
 
Horner "let them race, one last lap"

Absolute joke of a comment. Yeah let them race but then do it fair then. Both on fresh tires.

I'm honestly interested in hearing Max fans opinion on that comment from Horner there. And this has nothing to do with the result or the championship, it's a straight forward question:

Do you think that was a fair "let them race" last lap showdown?
Yes. Street rules.