fiat can’t let mercedes protest stand. mercedes won’t take it on the chin. going to be a long break of posturing.
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Absolutely they didn't need to do anything after they said that the cars wouldn't be allowed to pass. You can't then suddenly change that decision minutes later for nothing other than dramatic effect.
Surely, since they clearly care a lot about the spectacle, they can easily market a LEWIS v MAX winner takes all with only two of them on the track to settle this once and for all.
Hamilton clearly the Better driver on championship day which makes him a far more deserving winner. He drove spectacularly on those tyres for so long, and max couldn’t get close to him even with brand new ones. To be so far ahead, and so obviously about to win, then to have it taken away like that… it’s just not fair. The stewards should restart the race with the exact time gaps between each racer when the accident happened. You lose a race because another driver didn’t do his job, and crashed? Come on.
Hamilton clearly the Better driver on championship day which makes him a far more deserving winner. He drove spectacularly on those tyres for so long, and max couldn’t get close to him even with brand new ones. To be so far ahead, and so obviously about to win, then to have it taken away like that… it’s just not fair. The stewards should restart the race with the exact time gaps between each racer when the accident happened. You lose a race because another driver didn’t do his job, and crashed? Come on.
How about combining today's decision with the half points awarded in Spa for a non race? Which also benefited Max and Red Bull.
Yeah exactly, it's not Max's fault, so how's he undeserving if there's nothing he could have done there? What do you expect him to do in the last lap, slow down and let Lewis WIN the championship because he was the faster driver on the day?
Yeah, it does takeaway some merit, but that doesn't change the fact that he DESERVES the championship, 1 race IS NOT a championship, it's made up of 20+ races.
The more I think about it, the more I think if they wanted to go down the “let them race” route, they should have red flagged it.
Leaving bbc may have something to do with that in the UK
Imagine if Hamilton had won it like that, I think the whole of Holland would have invaded Stevenage (or Monaco).
my bad!
They have..
(1) the decision on the penultimate lap was outside the rules set, and
(2) Horner is a twat so how can he be allowed to win anything?
Both fair protests t.b.f.
yep. 5 laps, both on fresh softs. it would have been immense.
Imagine a marathon runner 5 minutes ahead gets told to stop with 200 meters to go and it's a sprint finish to decide the winner.
That's what I'm saying though, events like this put it more in the public consciousness. Right or wrong decision, Twitter is popping off, Reddit going mad, here going crazy...it'll monopolize the papers for a while. Its a long road back to the halcyon days of Eddie Irvine and Ralf Schumacher but events like these are how you get there.
Dunno how snooker gets back into vogue like the 90's though, there's just not the same potential for drama creation there!
And its Usain Bolt in a new pair of trainers.
Again, not Max's fault. He's not the one making that decision. He deserves the championship there's no arguing that. Whether they should have won is a different question, take away these results and sure, Lewis should be winning.
My argument here is both Max and Lewis have deserved this championship as my original post states.
I'll make myself clear, I absolutely cannot stand Max and my post history in this thread show that. But he's fully deserving of being a champion this year.
Leaving free-to-air TV has definitely done that.
And I'm amazed that it's continued on satellite TV as long as it has. The viewership is paltry.
And a follow up from BBC...
'There is also this part of that article: "Unless clerk of the course considers the presence of the safety car is still necessary, once the last lapped car has passed the leader the safety car will return to the pits at the end of the following lap."
There was no lap in between.'
If the regs are implemented inconsistently or to favour "drama" or the best "story" then it is contrived. Serious changes needed at the FIA.
It's funny watching people just accept what happened there as part of the sport.
Personally I've not been more glued to an F1 race in years. So in that the farce it has become has worked.
But people actually arguing that it's good that rules can be changed on the fly to suit the tv/sponsors/teams and anyone questioning it is just "salt" seems incredibly odd and sellout to me.
Imagine this kind of on the fly rule changing in football. Bad enough when referees make bad calls, but imagine deciding to change the laws to suit what Sky want, or a manager in the earpiece?
F1 has no integrity. And it sucks as the drivers themselves, dicks or not, are incredible.
Personally I've not been more glued to an F1 race in years. So in that the farce it has become has worked.
But people actually arguing that it's good that rules can be changed on the fly to suit the tv/sponsors/teams and anyone questioning it is just "salt" seems incredibly odd and sellout to me.
Imagine this kind of on the fly rule changing in football. Bad enough when referees make bad calls, but imagine deciding to change the laws to suit what Sky want, or a manager in the earpiece?
F1 has no integrity. And it sucks as the drivers themselves, dicks or not, are incredible.
I agree. People that are arguing that the season couldn’t finish under a safety car, im assuming, had no issue with max winning a “race“ that was completely under a safety car for its entirety.
Needed.
When Drogba scored an offside goal at Old Trafford that won the title for Chelsea, it wasn't his fault that the linesman didn't apply the rules correctly. At the end of the day, he scored a goal that was given as legal.
Max has driven brilliantly when he was in the faster car, Lewis has done the same. The idea of "whoever wins this race deserves the title" only works if this race wasn't a robbery.
This has happened in football with Zidane red card in the final and Clattenburg reffing by narrative in the Chelsea v Spurs game
Agree with all of that well said.
Yeah, but that would've been a bit artificial also I think. It was exactly the kind of incident that usually is a full Safety Car but no more. Car crashed not too hard but is stranded on the racing line + debris strewn around. If it had happened 2-3 laps earlier we'd just have to accept that RB gets massively lucky, but what was messed up was the FIA not following prescribed procedure to end the SC.
Look, the title isn’t won in one race. So over a season, Max has done amazingly well and is deserving of his title just as Lewis would have been. Let’s get that straight as I think it’s fair.
But, the way this race has ended is just not right. If they wanted to reset and let them race they should have red flagged it. The way it was done wiped out a lead Lewis had worked on for the whole race to build. And it isn’t a strategy call because Lewis couldn’t have pitted. If he had, Max might not have and then what happens if they don’t start racing again? He loses. Turned out to work against them, but as I said all along I just wanted this race to be won on merit. In the end all of Hamilton’s work was undone because of dubious decisions and bad luck.
But, the way this race has ended is just not right. If they wanted to reset and let them race they should have red flagged it. The way it was done wiped out a lead Lewis had worked on for the whole race to build. And it isn’t a strategy call because Lewis couldn’t have pitted. If he had, Max might not have and then what happens if they don’t start racing again? He loses. Turned out to work against them, but as I said all along I just wanted this race to be won on merit. In the end all of Hamilton’s work was undone because of dubious decisions and bad luck.
How far back were the other unlapped cars? I saw some were in the pit and almost a minute behind. I’d have hated to see it finish under a safety car. A red flag was probably the best option.
Masi got his entertaining last lap.
Now, you can sort the correct winner.
Now, you can sort the correct winner.
And that’s just TV, each year I take my child to Silverstone and it’s £500+ for the two of us just for tickets, never mind accommodation, its a dream one day to go to a foreign weekend, it’s a ridiculously expensive sport to follow for the average fan. And days like today just make it even more sour that they’re playing up to the one day quick drama fan.
And the person they are running against was allowed to eat some glucose sachets just before the sprint.
That's true, but that kind of lift will never compare to the sheer reach of free to air TV. Even people who weren't really interested in the sport used to have an idea of who the champion was etc. But now?...nope.
I was thinking more of Ralf's older brother and Hakkinen....
The exact reason why I lost interest too. Specifically the 2009 season, when in reality Ross Brawn won the title, rather than Jenson Button. Button won 6 of the first seven races and then didn't win another race in the next 10, with only two podiums in the final 10 races.
Now I can't get the mental picture of olympic walking with a safety walker wearing a yellow flashing light on his head out of my head
I thought Masi’s answer at the end was pretty embarrassing tbh. A race director should be saying stuff like well I used this rule or this was the reason I did it . To say well it’s motor racing is just for the cameras & in poor taste
Which they did because they didn’t want to finish under a safety car. Which I get. But if they want to artificially go racing in that scenario then it would have been less egregious to red flag. Then at least it’s a fair fight. Whatever the rules, fundamentally Lewis’ brilliant race to that point was completely wiped out. On a macro level, that’s what is just wrong. Max wouldn’t have even been close without the safety car. So to end up in that scenario, with a huge advantage (insurmountable really), is just incorrect.
Surely they’re not going to change anything to do with result? Would probably outdo what went on in that final lap 
Yup...the worst option though wS allowing the unlapped cars only between max and Lewis to overtake and setting up a turkey shoot into the last few corners
Not racing and merc should just withdraw from f1 as a responce
Work with formula e audi and Renault to make some new series with competent people in charge... ferrari would be welcome if the expected to be treated equally