Max wins in that scenario. He's leading in race wins
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Max wins in that scenario. He's leading in race wins
So you need to finish the race in order to get the points for getting pole?
Red Bull has a sister team if you are forgetting. Also Perez. So if Mercs even thought of trying anything fishy, doubt even Lewis finishes the race in points.
Oh right. I think I may have been getting confused with the point for the fastest lap.
As if AlphaTauri are going to get anywhere near Lewis after the start.
That's true, Tsunoda can brake test him.
If that happens Perez should slow down long enough to let Hamilton lap him and then drive him straight into a wall.
It's a measure of how off the walls Verstappen has been this year, that we're even having these conversations in only half joking terms. Being serious for a second, he'll end up hurting somebody eventually if his team and F1 don't clip his wings.
Designing a powerful engine within the rules of F1 is now referred to as "cheat mode".
What a joke. That is a core part of the sport, always has been throughout F1 history.
Hamilton does not come from money. Nor do Vettel or Ocon who both had working class backgrounds.
But what sets Hamilton apart is that he also had to overcome racism, starting as early as his childhood, in his struggle to make it in F1 - being black in a sport made for elite white people was very difficult. In that sense he has broken many barriers on his journey to become the greatest F1 driver of all time.
He is an inspiration for many.
Not worth engaging with those types of posts to be honest. That level of ignorance isn't worth bothering with.
Fair point.
Serious question, how do I put someone on ignore? I don't think I've done it since the layout change!
When did the layout change? I never noticed!
Click on the username, and it takes you to the user's page. You can choose to follow or ignore the user. And of course the choice is reversible.
Martin Brundle column for Sky.
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/2...is-legacy-but-what-a-title-showdown-well-have
Martin Brundle: Max Verstappen must stop these tactics vs Lewis Hamilton for his legacy... but what a title showdown we'll have
"...Such is Max's car control and cunning he's sometimes able to pull off the audacious moves and leave a margin of doubt as to whether it's hard racing or simply a professional foul outside of the regulations. And it's those moments, such as the infamous turn four in Brazil, which are generating the confusion, controversies and inconsistencies.
I'm in awe of Verstappen's driving skills and racing nous, and have championed him since the Chinese Grand Prix of 2015 when he was in the Toro Rosso. His touch and control behind the wheel is something to behold, but it saddens me that he's resorting to such tactics, he's better than that.
And for all his outwardly carefree attitude it will be such a shame if his legacy is to be labelled as an unfair driver.
Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher had their faults too, and I was on the receiving end from both of them on occasions, but it's a sizeable dent on their immense reputations, not a positive...."
https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/2...is-legacy-but-what-a-title-showdown-well-have
Martin Brundle: Max Verstappen must stop these tactics vs Lewis Hamilton for his legacy... but what a title showdown we'll have
"...Such is Max's car control and cunning he's sometimes able to pull off the audacious moves and leave a margin of doubt as to whether it's hard racing or simply a professional foul outside of the regulations. And it's those moments, such as the infamous turn four in Brazil, which are generating the confusion, controversies and inconsistencies.
I'm in awe of Verstappen's driving skills and racing nous, and have championed him since the Chinese Grand Prix of 2015 when he was in the Toro Rosso. His touch and control behind the wheel is something to behold, but it saddens me that he's resorting to such tactics, he's better than that.
And for all his outwardly carefree attitude it will be such a shame if his legacy is to be labelled as an unfair driver.
Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher had their faults too, and I was on the receiving end from both of them on occasions, but it's a sizeable dent on their immense reputations, not a positive...."
No points for pole position. If Max and Hamilton crash out and don't finish, Max wins due to his higher number of race wins, which includes Spa where the race was rained off after one fecking lap.
It's not hype, it's genuine concern. He's seen as reckless to the point of being dangerous.
FP1 ongoing.... and redbull looking good so far ... difficult to know of course who is carrying what fuel etc but max currently a couple of 10ths up on lewis
Mick to run into Lewis to retain his father's record this Sunday
Mick to run into Lewis to retain his father's record this Sunday
The timeline that nobody considered
I was thinking Russel to brake test Max when he's being lapped so he endears himself to his new teamMick to run into Lewis to retain his father's record this Sunday
Where's the evidence for this? If you look throughout this season I cannot remember a single scenario where Max yields or backs out. He cannot stand the thought of being passed and any opportunity he has to close the door, he will.
It might then be a fine line between "reckless racing" and "deliberate shunt", but really its akin to a kid swinging their arms and walking around "I'm going to do this if I hit you its your fault". If Max drives so recklessly he takes someone out, at what point do you basically say "its deliberate".
Its the same as handball, there are times where its handball even though the player doesn't actually deliberately moves their hand to the ball, but the concept is "if you put your hands above your head in the box you're taking an action where a handball becomes a realistic outcome, so its deliberate".
Mazepin to win the raceThe timeline that nobody considered
I've not really been paying attention but i've looked up a couple of times and seen that Lewis has been off the track.. Any particular reason?
Practising for when Max pushes him off the track Sunday
There's a high possibility of skullduggery this weekend. Max is supposed to be the future of F1 and his failure to beat the geriatric version of Lewis in a faster car will seriously undermine any future attempts to hype him up as a superstar, especially given he's such a sour and charmless character. I've got a feeling the brand will have to win above all else.
Wtf is this post. Also Mercedes have much faster car, especially in last few races, but also generally this season. Just look at standings for their respect second drivers and one couldn't be bothered to drive and the other is trying to prove himself.
Got a feeling something will happen, maybe Lewis gets a puncture or Mercedes screw up strategy, and we'll have Max parading round as the winner with a lot of other drivers congratulating him through gritted teeth.
Sums up their run-ins well. If Hamilton had a similar driving style to Max, all these would've been crashes.
This is just not true. But you keep on living in your cuckoo land.
Well played sir...
Pretty much sums it up.
Max always brakes too late to stop Hamilton turning in, then understeers wide and forces them off the road.
I don't know for sure but i'd imagine he was ahead in the points in pretty much all these scenarios? It's a do or die mindset.
I still think he should have pulled out at Silvestone also, once you lose the inside of the corner (especially a high speed one) an accident is always going to happen if you try to force it around the outside.
Anyway, hopefully we get no bad incidents this weekend.
This thread
I wonder if Red Bull will really go for it and turn their engine up for 11. Death or glory approach. Either win or blow the engine up.
That's experience for you. Lewis has learned by now it's better to live to fight another corner than bin it trying to get past at all costs. You'd think after 7 seasons Max was starting to figure that out too. As Karun says in the clip, if Max hadn't done that in Silverstone he'd be 18 points ahead now.
Is it driving style from Max or is it driving tactics.
He does it because he believes that he will get away with it.
There is late braking which is driving style.
But this is different.
It is going into a turn pretty much with the car over the point of adhesion with the absolute intention of going wide and thereby forcing Hamilton in this case off the track.
I have exactly that concern myself.
I just think that events will conspire against Hamilton one way or another.
Truly hope I am wrong though.
I'd say it's both really. His style is naturally aggressive and that shows with his over takes too (which is why he made his name)
I don't think the FIA have helped though, they should have stamped this out a long time ago and told him that sort of defending isn't OK.
They've let him carry on to the point that he and his fans actually think this is 'proper racing'
Up until the last few races, I'd say that the Red Bull has been better than the Mercedes over the course of the season.
The 2nd driver stuff is also bs. Bottas is much better than Perez and that 2nd Red Bull seat is notoriously difficult anyway.
100% it's experience. I think many forget that Lewis was fairly hot-headed when he was Max's age (2011 Hamilton vs Massa, an almost comical battle). It wasn't until he moved to Mercedes that he started to become a lot calmer. Hopefully, Max will trend in a similar way.
However, I've seen a lot of people, inc Karun, saying Max could've backed out in Silverstone and he'd be 18 points ahead now. In my opinion, Max's aggression is the reason why we have a title battle. Everyone was loving the fact that he was taking the fight to Lewis earlier on in the season but now it's being used to criticise him. It's bizarre. I will agree that in Brazil, Monza and Saudi, Max went too far but overall he's towed the line. It's crazy how a 22 race season is being condensed to just a handful of incidents when analysing what may happen in the finale.
I can never understand why Max wasn't penalized in Barcelona or Imola and you can now add in Brazil.