The Pink Mercedes, right? That's why I said 'Stroll's Team', not 'Aston Martin' (Stroll Sr, to be exact). Was that a last-year's Mercedes engine?You're probably thinking of the 'Tracing Point' from last year
F1 2021 Season
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In my opinion F1 made a huge mistake with the Hybrid engine regulations. These engines are incredibly expensive to make and for most of the last decade it just became a development race between Ferrari and Mercedes of who could build the better engine, with astronomical amounts of money being spent to keep a competitive advantage. Hopefully the new cost caps will be enforced strictly and the new engines in 2026 won't be so expensive to design.
Yeah it was a 2019 Mercedes engine, but all teams from that year used the same engine from 2019 in the 2020 season due to the pandemic.
What exactly is wrong with doing media appearances?
I think F1 would probably acknowledge that. The new regs I think are going to be simpler, isn't the MGU-H for example going to be removed?
They called it the pink Mercedes not because of the engine but the fact that they copied the design of the car from the previous year's Mercedes.
All Mercedes customers should be using the same engine as what Mercedes themselves are using for that year. It's in the FIA guidelines and Mercedes would be asking for trouble if the performance of the engines provided is lower than their own.
Ah ok! Thanks for explaining.
Yeah, I knew that, it was just to reference the year. Obviously you can't see that a car has a Mercedes engine just from looking at it from a distance. Even I got that!
Classic Klopp "look at the amount of penalties Utd get" approach.
Putting pressure on the officials if it comes down tight-calls is smart.
This is why I think ultimately the way Horner/RBR are handling him is so wrong. He's not learning anything, he's developing a victim mentality where he can do no wrong and is always being put upon wheras the reality is this season he's got away with more than he's been called for. Genuinely starting to despise this guy, having to listen to him argue black is white and up is down.
Are there any weather conditions that would specifically affect the design of Red Bull's cars?
In my opinion, most drivers are arrogant to the point that they see themselves as never doing any wrong. Some are more overt than others. Whilst I understand it can irritate fans (myself included), I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. Some drivers are so deluded, yet they still manage to be incredibly successful. Wasn't Seb Vettel like this during his time at Red Bull? He never thought he was in the wrong and whenever he got into hot waters, he would just double down. Furthermore, Horner would just indulge Vettel, making him more and more unbearable. But in the end he was a 4-time World Champion. Personally, I don't like it but I'm not going to say it's the wrong approach, since history would say otherwise.
“The track was too dry”
Do you ever see other team bosses doing that many media appearances outside of race weekends (unless it's a new car)? You can't tell me Christian Horner isn't self obsessed, he loves it.
Kimi's livery for his last race.
Sorry, but I just do not see the correlation between doing media appearances and being self-obsessed.
Ted Kravitz thinks Mercedes may give Hamilton a fresh engine and a 5 place grid drop to avoid the chance o max taking him out at the first corner. Theoretically starting 6th or 7th with a new PU he could win the GP without having to pass Max at any stage. Get his overtake done via a overcut or undercut.
Comes down to Friday practise and how quick the Merc is. Also depends whether the new changes to layout actually help overtaking on a track notorious for "track position is king".
Comes down to Friday practise and how quick the Merc is. Also depends whether the new changes to layout actually help overtaking on a track notorious for "track position is king".
Was just watching this
Eerily familiar to this season.
Eerily familiar to this season.
Seems a risk. Surely there’s more chance he crashes in the middle of the pack starting the race? If the Merc is super fast then bottas should be able to get P2 and act as a buffer. I wouldn’t try to get too cute if I was Mercedes.
Lewis will be super cautious in the opening laps, I think he knows he has the quicker package, and over a race distance he’ll win comfortably. I wouldn’t expect him to try anything daring in the opening laps, just ease himself into the race and potentially pass the cars he needs sensibly.
Going to be exciting.
Going to be exciting.
So am I correct or completely wrong here
If Max “accidentally” crashes into Lewis and they are both out the Race….Max is World Champion?
Is that correct, or technically correct in any way shape or form???
If Max “accidentally” crashes into Lewis and they are both out the Race….Max is World Champion?
Is that correct, or technically correct in any way shape or form???
That is correct, as long as it wasn't too obvious
Yes and no, basically the race director has come out today and has explained that should something like the above happen that is deemed not a racing incident, points can and will be taken away.
Cheers guys
Does anyone think regardless to what the race Director says with stating the rules and sportsmanship like behaviour etc…..will Max care? It’s a world Title on the line, and what a way to win it being against the GOAT.
If an opportunity presented itself to take Lewis out with it looking not an obvious take out….surely Max will take it? Win at all costs mentality.
I’m sure however he’ll be aware any such incident will be put under the microscope so even if an opportunity did present itself…perhaps the scrutiny will be in the back of his mind in that it might not necessarily guarantee him the Title
it’s going to be insanely interesting and exciting though regardless
Does anyone think regardless to what the race Director says with stating the rules and sportsmanship like behaviour etc…..will Max care? It’s a world Title on the line, and what a way to win it being against the GOAT.
If an opportunity presented itself to take Lewis out with it looking not an obvious take out….surely Max will take it? Win at all costs mentality.
I’m sure however he’ll be aware any such incident will be put under the microscope so even if an opportunity did present itself…perhaps the scrutiny will be in the back of his mind in that it might not necessarily guarantee him the Title
it’s going to be insanely interesting and exciting though regardless
Which is of course bollocks unless you're a Hamilton fan. It shouldn't matter if it's the first race of the season or the last. The rules should be the same. Suddenly changing the penalties for the last race is ridiculous. 10s penalty then should be a 10s penalty now. It would be very weird to suddenly start handing out WDC point penalties now. If there's a Schumacher style moment from Max (or Lewis) and they disqualify the culprit like they did Schumacher then fair enough. But WDC point penalties now all of a sudden? That just doesn't make sense. What if Max does now what Hamilton did in Silverstone? What happens then?
I see Mercedes comfortably taking 1-2 in quali. That car is a beast on the straights and one of them is an absolute monster so Bottas should be able to help protect Hamilton on turn 1.
I really doubt this will happen. He hasn't tried to bump people off the track either, I think these suggestions are way overblown. Also, in his interviews, he keeps saying that he isn't overly fuzzed with the title - 'I do my best and we'll see what it gets me'.
I'm sure he'll be driving on the edge again, like always, and that's risky of course; and he might do something rash to force a situation out of frustration (like the braking last weekend, in an attempt to push Hamilton into overtaking him). But I'd be very surprised if Verstappen would purposefully cause a collision.
It's really not. Max has shown all season long through his driving that he does not give a shit about coming into contact with Lewis where Lewis has shown all season with the exception of him finally taking a stand once, that he will back out and look for a better opportunity. I think it's ridiculous for the hype to try and say that Max will deliberately do it with the intention of taking them both out so he wins by default - that's clearly not going to happen but if there's a situation where Lewis is P1 to Max's P2 from the start and Max goes into turn 1 with the same aggression and selfish mindset he has done all season long he's not going to pull out and look for a better opportunity even if the other 19 drivers on the grid would pull out 100 times out of 100. There's no reason why he'd suddenly act differently to how he has the entire season and so the end result could be a ruined race for either, or both.
That's obviously bullshit though.
Imagine hearing a player at the CL final say that they aren't bothered if they win or not. This is huge for them, it would be his first and most memorable. He cares about this an incredible amount.Well, yeah, obviously - but I think it does indicate that he's not bigging this up as the be-all and end-all in his mind.That's obviously bullshit though.
For what it's worth when he's actually on the track.
I'm glad they've clarified.
He truly believes it. He is absolutely deluded as must be influential figures around him. He should be thinking how lucky he is he didn't get disqualified for the last race alone. Instead he thinks he is the victim.
If he wins F1 will have created a monster.
The FIA have been building to this all season. It is contrived for commercial gain. In any normal season Max would've had harsher penalties last race leaving him behind in the championship. Also the "half race" with points was ridiculous.
Hamilton needs to nail qualifying and then nail his start. Getting away early and well is his best defence against Verstappen taking him out.
Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
Bottas on the other hand, could redeem his entire Mercedes career by veering into Verstappen off the start.
As an f1 noob but interested spectator, does Hamilton win the championship if he gets poll and then Verstappen takes them both out of the race? Or do you need to finish the race for the qualifying points to stand?
Hasn't he already done that this season.