How many other times other than those times have they genuinely been wheel to wheel racing? It seems like if they ever get close to one another it’s always an incident. I get your overall point but it’s a bit of a straw man to suggest that this isn’t somehow a discussion topic because the season is so long.
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How many other times other than those times have they genuinely been wheel to wheel racing? It seems like if they ever get close to one another it’s always an incident. I get your overall point but it’s a bit of a straw man to suggest that this isn’t somehow a discussion topic because the season is so long.
Yeah, Hamilton has become less aggressive as he's matured. He was similar in some ways to Max when he was younger, although I think Max hasn't really shown that he can go side by side with a car for a few laps without an incident yet which Hamilton had definitely shown by 24.
Agreed with the point about the title race though. It's very easy to say Max would have been 18 points ahead if he had backed out at Silverstone, but he wouldn't have kept the lead in any of the other incidents so who knows what position they would have ended up in during those races.
I haven't got a huge issue with Max's aggressiveness as a lot of drivers are that way at the start of their career, where I have an issue is that he doesn't seem to be improving it at all but maybe he'll learn if he loses this title chance. The best F1 to watch is two quick drivers going side by side over multiple corners like Lewis and Alonso have done for years. Both of those give each other space to do that and it is really the pinnacle of the sport going 140mph into corners with an inch between the cars and Max hasn't really shown that yet due to his style.
Lewis and Bottas are flying
Either Red Bull have a lot of fuel or Horner is about to run to the stewards and moan about the flexible wing..
Either Red Bull have a lot of fuel or Horner is about to run to the stewards and moan about the flexible wing..
I think Albon didn't always have it easy either (again based on Drive To Survive). Looks like a pattern.
I love that the state of this thread makes some people actually bite on this
Well done.
Yes, he went through a tough time at stages of his career and development. Glad he'll be back next year.I think Albon didn't always have it easy either (again based on Drive To Survive). Looks like a pattern.
I always prefer/have a soft spot for the non-money drivers, so i was disappointed that Bottas pipped Ocon to third in Jeddah (even though i like Bottas!).
Soft tyres look to be holding up well (hamilton set fastest time so far on a 6 lap old set)
2 stop race? softs for quai and swich to mediums around half way?
2 stop race? softs for quai and swich to mediums around half way?
Max has driven 140 Grand Prix, he should be basically fully matured as a race driver by now.
Ah no Kimi not what you want on your last race.
i'd imagine it'll be medium/hard though.
not what you want on your last race.That would still be a 1 stop if they hold up well.
i'd imagine it'll be medium/hard though.
Yeah, me too. Like, Sainz seems like a genuinely nice guy, but then I see what his family does on a day off, and I just can't really root for him anymore. It's a sort of underdog thing I guess.
Lighten up precious. Don't be such a melt.
I don't remember this level of hysteria when Lewis and Rosberg were doing all of this stuff to each other.
The Hamilton-Rosberg crashes were analysed to the nth degree too. It was hilarious when they took each out though.
Probably not, but there were some pretty vocal Rosberg fans. A lot people seem to have warmed to Lewis over the years as he's become older and less of an arrogant prick or at least are more neutral on him.
He was pretty widely disliked back then and obviously still is by some.
There's a reason for that.
DRS is never just open. Its always "wide open".
Ah we have reached the re-writing history phase, Rosberg vs Hamilton was nowhere near like this, they had incidents yes and there were some questionable moves but nothing like we have seen this season.
From the whole of Rosberg vs Hamilton please name me incidents that have come close to what Max pulled just at the last race?
I'll help you because you will reference Spain 16 and probably Austria 16 as well. When did Lewis or Nico ever brake test each other?
I think most people would consider brake testing as being beyond the pale, as was what Schumacher did. Rosberg/Hamilton never descended to that level.
I still find it fecking insane that Max only got a 10s penalty for brake testing last weekend
Wait a minute, so if Hamilton dnf's and Max is dq'd, Max is champion?!
It was obviously done as Hamilton still won and they wanted to make the final race a real showpiece.
It's tricky as they could/should have thrown the book at him, but then the final race would have had no weight to it.
I'm happy for them to both have a fair chance of winning as long as they're both understanding that there is ZERO shenanigans this weekend.
The sport is riding a wave of new followers right now and they can't afford any BS to happen.
So assuming a max/lewis 1-2 in qually, which position would have the inside line on the first corner (obviously dependent on an equal start).
I would not like to be Hamilton on the outside line.
I would not like to be Hamilton on the outside line.
He and the Mercedes are fast enough that it doesn't matter IMO.
Barring something crazy happening, Merc has it in the bag.
He's had over 100 races which is more than most drivers F1 career will ever be.
People need to stop using his age an excuse for his overly aggressive driving. He's never going to change the way he drives when he knows most drivers would yield and he gets away with it.
I know what you’re saying, but we saw in the last race that this doesn’t mean that he will just fly off before the first corner.
If Max gets disqualified then there’s every likely he will also incur a points deductions which will then giv Hamilton the title.
Barring penalties, yes. But the FIA have basically said that if max purposely runs Lewis out of the race then he’ll be docked points
Not necessarily because the FIA have said that they are prepared to take action against a driver who drives unfairly.
That's basically been the rule since Schumacher did it.
Norris begs to differ.
Would be interesting to see people’s opinions if the 10sec pen had meant a demotion in position. Maybe there wouldn’t be strong allegations of brake checking?
Reminds me a bit of Silverstone. Since Lewis’s pen was insignificant then, all these nonsense allegations of Lewis punting Max off deliberately began to surface. Had the pen meant something, I think the reaction afterwards would’ve been different. It’s funny how the FIA’s judgement at time was that the outcome of an incident shouldn’t dictate the severity of the penalty and now they’re saying the complete reverse. Really shows how inconsistent they’ve been all year.
Hmm..
Bit late to the party but just saw the Sky Sports Christmas video. Christ. How low can you go? Absolutely disgusting that.
Do you think Max should’ve got a penalty for the move in Brazil?
Do you have a link ?
I agree on your last point. I think silverstone and Brazil were very similar, just that Lewis backed out in Brazil and max didn’t at Silverstone. I think both deserved penalties for those incidents, but once again, and into your last point, I think the stewards took the easy way out. I’m fairly certain that had Max won in Brazil and Saudi, then his penalties would’ve been harsher.
It’s why it’s so important that this race is won on the track and not decided by the stewards. Everything is so subjective.
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