F1 2021 Season

rpitroda said:
I don’t see you call out the blatant bullshit by a handful of Max fans or Hamilton haters, though. Perhaps you should just do what all of us try to which is ignore the wildly blinkered posts and focus on discussing with the majority of people in here who can form balanced opinions, even if you disagree.
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Honestly with the amount of shite Max is getting on here I don't think I have to call out some bullshit of Max fans or Hamilton haters like you call it. There's plenty doing that, and more, already. Though I have said several times Max isn't faultless. You're right maybe it would be best to ignore the extreme posts, but I'll admit sometimes I struggle to do just that.

elmo said:
:lol:

Horner and Max has set the standard at Silverstone, Toto and Lewis are just going to shit bag the whole season and give it to Red Bull just how they dished it out.

It's entertaining really.
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It is entertaining in a way yeah. But I do fear this short term entertainment might harm the sport in the long run. It's unbelievable how childish they all are. Constantly voicing extreme opinions. Constantly piling shite on one another and blaming each other. Trying to assassinate each others characters. Adding fuel to the fire. It's not just F1 though. Seems wherever in society I look things are getting more extreme. It's proving harder and harder to have a normal discussion about anything.
 
An interesting video from 2017, I think Max thought he would have the same outcome into turn one yesterday as he got in 2017. However whilst he's aged, I don't see much has changed in his wheel to wheel race craft.

 
F-Red said:
An interesting video from 2017, I think Max thought he would have the same outcome into turn one yesterday as he got in 2017. However whilst he's aged, I don't see much has changed in his wheel to wheel race craft.

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That is interesting. For me, in this and the Lewis incident, it’s not that he doesn’t have a right to be there. He does, he has every right to try that move. The issue for me is twofold:

1. That if he does that, he cannot expect the opponent to simply back out the move just because it’s him and he’s there. As he has a right to be there, Massa has a right to fight too and squeeze him. Like Lewis did. He can try and do what he did as many times as he likes but he needs to understand that people shouldn’t and won’t just move out his way. My issue with him is he acts like everyone should move out his way in those situations and he hasn’t done anything wrong (like I said he can be there, but doesn’t mean he isn’t being reckless).
2. Linked to the last point above, for whatever reason, be it immaturity or something else, he is either ignorant or he knows that there is a relatively high probability he crashes there and goes for it anyway. He still doesn’t recognise it’s better sometimes to pull out of that and live to right another day. It’s fine when he is an underdog car and has to win to have a chance. But whilst he has a solid car and a lead in the championship, he must learn it isn’t about the battle but about the long war. Maybe he did know that yesterday and the cynic would say he wins more than Hamilton by taking them both out. I’d love to give him the benefit of the doubt for now though.
 
F-Red said:
An interesting video from 2017, I think Max thought he would have the same outcome into turn one yesterday as he got in 2017. However whilst he's aged, I don't see much has changed in his wheel to wheel race craft.

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Yet more evidence of Max's driving style.

"Win it or bin it".
Yet some will still claim there is not enough evidence.
 
F-Red said:
An interesting video from 2017, I think Max thought he would have the same outcome into turn one yesterday as he got in 2017. However whilst he's aged, I don't see much has changed in his wheel to wheel race craft.

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Compare the race craft there to Hamilton vs Alonso this year. There's absolutely no way you could attack Verstappen for multiple laps and corners and stay on the track. There's a huge difference between aggressive driving and forceful but fair driving. Note, the number of times Hamilton backed out when he knew there was no space before forcing a mistake and the number of times Alonso just gives the space.

 
Balljy said:
Compare the race craft there to Hamilton vs Alonso this year. There's absolutely no way you could attack Verstappen for multiple laps and corners and stay on the track. There's a huge difference between aggressive driving and forceful but fair driving. Note, the number of times Hamilton backed out when he knew there was no space before forcing a mistake and the number of times Alonso just gives the space.

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chills! literal chills!
 
Polar said:
Team Red Bull is a bunch of pricks. It starts with the principal and spreads down the chain. Christian Horner is the antithesis to gentleman of sport. He wants to win at any costs and I question his morality. Horner and Verstappen is to me a bad combination. I can imagine Horner encourage Verstappen to drive like an a…., and his uncritical support of Verstappen is like throwing petrol on flames.
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Spot on.
 
Netflix producers are probably paying max and lewis big bucks to have handbags so that the next season of the F1 netflix show will be lit.
 
hobbers said:
Any objective person would look at how his car bounced up off a sausage curb and figure out pretty easily that it obviously wasn't on purpose, and any suggestion it was says a lot more about the person suggesting it frankly. You can argue about risk vs reward and giving space and bailing out, but the move was a perfectly valid thing to try, which was also the universal opinion of the team principles asked about it including Toto.

The point is that the crash would not have felt like it endangered Lewis' life from Max's perspective, regardless of him bouncing up onto another car. He contributed (along with Lewis) to causing an accident much like Lewis contributed to putting Max's life in far more danger at Silverstone. And I'm not sure why the need for histrionics about 'causing accidents that endanger life'? So what? It's F1. Every tiny error and every risky manoeuvre by every driver falls into that bracket.
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which is why he got a 3 place grid penalty from the FIA? Toto called it a tactical foul - that doesn't come across as him agreeing it with the move in any way.

It's ridiculous how blinded you are when it comes to Verstappen - are you Max???
 
F-Red said:
An interesting video from 2017, I think Max thought he would have the same outcome into turn one yesterday as he got in 2017. However whilst he's aged, I don't see much has changed in his wheel to wheel race craft.

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See this video is a bit different.

Max is already well alongside Felipe before they've even entered the chicane. In this situation Felipe should realise he can't take the usual racing line as max already has the inside, so he can't just turn in.

It's a completely different situation to the one with Hamilton.

Racing at these speeds is a very fine line between being a great overtake or a poor one. I think Max should just hold his hands up and say yep made a mistake with this one, take the penalty and move on.

Lewis has made mistakes in the past like with Albon in Brazil and held his hands up.
 
Still buzzing from that McLaren 1-2. Wasn’t sure I’d ever see one again :D:D:D

On the Max/Ham crash, I agree with the majority of the posters views on here. A racing incident, with Max more to blame. He has to go for the move, and I’m glad he did as it’s entertaining, but should’ve realised that Ham would squeeze him and he’d end up over the sausage dog curbs.

We see that attempted move year in, year out around that chicane, and more often than not it ends with the guy on the outside going into T1 having to use the escape road or the cars colliding at T2 with a myriad of different outcomes. You really have to be quite far ahead turning into T1 to be able to make the move stick, and even then it’s dicey.

Glad they’re both OK. I don’t agree with the penalty for Max, but I didn’t agree with the Silverstone one for Hamilton. Or indeed the Austria one for Lando or the two for Perez later in that race.

The various noise from both teams & drivers about blame, rights & wrongs is pretty tiring now too. It’s all an attempt to get one over the other and it creates a bit of drama & popcorn-munching GIF type attention, but I’d rather they just shut up & got on with it now. It’s petty & distracting from one of the best racing seasons I can remember for a long long time.
 
I appreciate the real danger of starting this all again but:



First time I had seen that angle. Based on the talk I assumed Max's tyre was on Lewis's head a lot longer, it more skipped over it/the halo.
 
mitChley said:
I appreciate the real danger of starting this all again but:



First time I had seen that angle. Based on the talk I assumed Max's tyre was on Lewis's head a lot longer, it more skipped over it/the halo.
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It looks like the wheel unluckily came in at exactly the wrong angle meaning that it missed some of the Halo protections and came up the back onto the helmet. I can see a slight redesign coming there with more protection on the rear angles to keep the wheel above the helmet.
 
mitChley said:
I appreciate the real danger of starting this all again but:



First time I had seen that angle. Based on the talk I assumed Max's tyre was on Lewis's head a lot longer, it more skipped over it/the halo.
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That angle is pretty scary. You can see the compression on Ham’s head/neck as the tyre rolls over the roll hoop onto the halo. Although brief it must’ve hurt.
 
mitChley said:
I appreciate the real danger of starting this all again but:



First time I had seen that angle. Based on the talk I assumed Max's tyre was on Lewis's head a lot longer, it more skipped over it/the halo.
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Definitely will have caused a concussion that, Lewis needs to sit out a few races to be safe.
 
Max's twitter posts after the event really sum up the person he is. Just refuses to accept any blame.
 
This is all good for F1 though, the drama, needle is what makes racing stand out, as the sport always had skilled drivers in my view. A bland season of easy victories is not good for any sport and this one is one hell of a season. I do think the rivalry needs to be cooled down a bit before a serious accident takes place between the Verstappen and Hamilton. Both are incredibly talented and driven drivers who want to push each other to the limits. Unlike a football pitch (like Messi and Ronaldo maybe), F1 has serious consequences and saner heads need to prevail.

Although I can't understand how both sets of hardcore fans think that the other party is vile while their guy is great :lol:
 
Wicked_Badger said:
Still buzzing from that McLaren 1-2. Wasn’t sure I’d ever see one again :D:D:D

On the Max/Ham crash, I agree with the majority of the posters views on here. A racing incident, with Max more to blame. He has to go for the move, and I’m glad he did as it’s entertaining, but should’ve realised that Ham would squeeze him and he’d end up over the sausage dog curbs.

We see that attempted move year in, year out around that chicane, and more often than not it ends with the guy on the outside going into T1 having to use the escape road or the cars colliding at T2 with a myriad of different outcomes. You really have to be quite far ahead turning into T1 to be able to make the move stick, and even then it’s dicey.

Glad they’re both OK. I don’t agree with the penalty for Max, but I didn’t agree with the Silverstone one for Hamilton. Or indeed the Austria one for Lando or the two for Perez later in that race.

The various noise from both teams & drivers about blame, rights & wrongs is pretty tiring now too. It’s all an attempt to get one over the other and it creates a bit of drama & popcorn-munching GIF type attention, but I’d rather they just shut up & got on with it now. It’s petty & distracting from one of the best racing seasons I can remember for a long long time.
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I like your balanced view. But I disagree that Mad "had to go for it". The move had zero chance of success. Look at the video posted earlier of Ricciardo.
 
As a casual F1 viewer, I'm getting the impression that it's going to take Max actually killing someone for him to take any responsibility for driving like a clown.
 
New ferrari PU for turkey or austin. 10bhp-15bhp more. Its for 2022, but they want to get more data on it now in races.
 
dinostar77 said:
New ferrari PU for turkey or austin. 10bhp-15bhp more. Its for 2022, but they want to get more data on it now in races.
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Could be the different between them finish 3rd, 4th, or 5th in constructor this year.
Its a tight battle between them, Mclaren and AT, although AT can only rely on Gasly so far.
 
Just to keep the fuel on the fire, Danny Ric showing how to manage turn one at Monza when you can’t make the 2nd corner.

 
Now I’m fully appreciative of the halo device etc and understand it’s importance and think it’s great, but it needs to be said that a lot of these “close shaves” that are now being pointed out, didn’t happen before the introduction of the halo in F1.

you can actually clearly see from this incident that the halo in it’s current design actually causes a larger issue because it prevents Max’s car from rolling off Lewis’s car and actually holds the rear tyre on Lewis’s helmet.

this thing needs a massive re-design because it is now demonstrating a serious design flaw that could have been much worse than the incident should have been.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Now I’m fully appreciative of the halo device etc and understand it’s importance and think it’s great, but it needs to be said that a lot of these “close shaves” that are now being pointed out, didn’t happen before the introduction of the halo in F1.

you can actually clearly see from this incident that the halo in it’s current design actually causes a larger issue because it prevents Max’s car from rolling off Lewis’s car and actually holds the rear tyre on Lewis’s helmet.

this thing needs a massive re-design because it is now demonstrating a serious design flaw that could have been much worse than the incident should have been.
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These so called close shaves are random events such as car bouncing on the curb and launching in the air, or a tire detaching and flying into driver's head. You cant possibly claim that these are now happening due to Halo's introduction ? In this case , whatever after effect the halo had, ir didnt cause Maxes formula going over Lewises.
 
The Firestarter said:
These so called close shaves are random events such as car bouncing on the curb and launching in the air, or a tire detaching and flying into driver's head. You cant possibly claim that these are now happening due to Halo's introduction ? In this case , whatever after effect the halo had, ir didnt cause Maxes formula going over Lewises.
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Jesus Christ…

Events that proclaim every body to preach the halo even though these same events occurred prior to the introduction of the halo and nobody died because cars didn’t get stuck on additional massive surface areas close to a drivers head. Given the inherent design of an F1 car, generally cars just slide off the other which is far safer than the scenario that occurred on the weekend.

Again, in case some people replying to this message lack basic reading and comprehension skills, I am all for the halo but it’s got a clear design flaw which was evident on the weekend and it needs to be redesigned.

We won’t even go into the fact that it nearly saved and killed Grosjean in the same incident.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Now I’m fully appreciative of the halo device etc and understand it’s importance and think it’s great, but it needs to be said that a lot of these “close shaves” that are now being pointed out, didn’t happen before the introduction of the halo in F1.

you can actually clearly see from this incident that the halo in it’s current design actually causes a larger issue because it prevents Max’s car from rolling off Lewis’s car and actually holds the rear tyre on Lewis’s helmet.

this thing needs a massive re-design because it is now demonstrating a serious design flaw that could have been much worse than the incident should have been.
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This is an incredible overreaction. It clearly needs a re-design to protect from the back for this type of incident, but I would hardly say it’s a serious design flaw and importantly the halo did more to protect Hamilton than put him at risk in this particular incident too. It’s very rare you’ll get in a crash where the speeds are slow enough for the car to rest on the other car.

And yes, people do call out these close shaves more. Better than calling out disasters though.
 
F-Red said:
Verstappen's radio after leaving the pits...

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR9DF9RP/
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The thing that really pisses me off about stuff like this it that the team has given him the best car on the grid this year, he should be kissing their feet, but when they make a single mistake he’s like this. Imagine if when Max makes a mistake the race engineer would come on with the same. I get that it’s emotional but this doesn’t show great maturity and I’m sure it would annoy the pit crew. Other drivers do this too of course, but the mature ones tend to be a bit more constructive.
 
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