No it made it first and second but Ricciardo was looking good for the win.
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2 things.
1. How the hell can Max tell where his tyre is on Lewis car? For all he knew the car was pitched half out on the curb. This also seems to have raised a new issue with the Halo that needs to be fixed. It caught the tyre of Lewis car where as in old day roll hoop structure would have pushed the cars off one another. It is lows speed yes but its unlikely a tyre would have got stuck on top of a car like it.
2. feck yeah Danny Ric and hopefully little Lando pipes down with some of his snarky comments he's made recently. I like Lando because I think he's very personable and his old blogs were great, but you cant run your mouth when you haven't won a race.
1. How the hell can Max tell where his tyre is on Lewis car? For all he knew the car was pitched half out on the curb. This also seems to have raised a new issue with the Halo that needs to be fixed. It caught the tyre of Lewis car where as in old day roll hoop structure would have pushed the cars off one another. It is lows speed yes but its unlikely a tyre would have got stuck on top of a car like it.
2. feck yeah Danny Ric and hopefully little Lando pipes down with some of his snarky comments he's made recently. I like Lando because I think he's very personable and his old blogs were great, but you cant run your mouth when you haven't won a race.
never understood that, surely a panel of the same 3 stewards for every race would bring consistency.
Fecking hell @United Hobbit @Fluctuation0161 it's just a picture and just a social media post. Do you disagree that a (race ending) racing incident is unfortunate? Do you disagree that what looked like an equipment malfunction (either the wheel gun or the sensor wasn't working right) that causes an 11s pitstop is unfortunate? He's not blaming anyone. reading far too much into it and you see what you want to see.
He's absolutely blaming Lewis, though.
You are focusing way too much on the passing comment about the picture and the pit stop! The is not the point I was making. See my previous post on this topic.
Just caught up on the race and my main take away is how much Verstappen has gone down in me estimation, and it was already pretty low. Max has repeatedly not given any space when the cats were mostly alongside then bitches when Lewis does similar. Max went for a move he could never pull off and just like at Silverstone when the onus falls on him to take measures to avoid the crash he doesn’t.
The guy has very few redeeming qualities.
The guy has very few redeeming qualities.
Obviously since that's what he thinks. Hamilton did the same at Silverstone by saying if it happened again he would have done the exact same thing, in other words, he thought Verstappen should have handled it differently and thus was to blame in his eyes. But Max is definitely not blaming his pit crew for anything which is what's being claimed here. Even claiming he thinks they're responsibly for the crash, which is ludicrous.
Think the worry was that you could wind up with accusations of agendas if certain drivers got repeated penalties. Even with the changing roster of stewards, you had Verstappen attacking "one idiot steward who always makes the decisions up there against me" after the 2017 US GP where he overtook off track - the penalty was clearly correct but became a controversy because of one single steward having given a penalty to Verstappen before. Can see why the FIA would go with the rotation.
You might have had a point except at Silverstone Lewis did what Max did today. Both made a move with a low chance of success which caused a crash. Today Max could have pulled out to avoid the crash, at Silverstone it was Lewis. Then everyone was praising Lewis for "holding his ground", strange how nobody is praising Max now that the tables have turned. Imagine if Max could have carried on and Lewis hadn't. There would have been riots
can we stop with the pearl clutching about max not checking to see if lewis was ok now?
For those that think Max is a bit aggressive and not seeing the bigger picture (pulling out of that move) you surely have to appreciate he’s only 23 going for his first title against one of the best drivers and teams of the modern generation. Hamilton has pulled out of moves but that’s his experience and probably why he’s hanging on in the championship.
At Silverstone Lewis had already backed out on that first lap, when Lewis was committed down the inside max could have avoided. The key point is this: Max has not once done a single thing to avoid hitting Lewis this season, Lewis has had to do so probably 6 or 7 times.You might have had a point except at Silverstone Lewis did what Max did today. Both made a move with a low chance of success which caused a crash. Today Max could have pulled out to avoid the crash, at Silverstone it was Lewis. Then everyone was praising Lewis for "holding his ground", strange how nobody is praising Max now that the tables have turned. Imagine if Max could have carried on and Lewis hadn't. There would have been riots
Exactly this. There are many examples of this.
I think red bull are making it worse for Verstappen too. They keep feeding his ego and making him seem never in the wrong. They don’t come out and say it’s a mistake and they constantly make him think the other person is in the wrong.
Just look at his most recent post, even after being given a penalty for the incident he still says he’s not given space
the stupid thing is he literally never gives anybody space when fighting, so ironic.
Just look at his most recent post, even after being given a penalty for the incident he still says he’s not given space
the stupid thing is he literally never gives anybody space when fighting, so ironic.
Both Max and Lewis are cry babies. They have both been so annoying this year. Always whining and complaining.
What do you mean this year? This is Lewis his entire career.
The tone of that tweet is very in keeping with this thread. They can't possibly just not have seen or been mistaken, THEY'RE LYING TO YOUR FACE!
Yeah true but I’ve been following F1 more closely this year so I see it more often.
Libel and slander!
To be fair (or rather: pessimistic), this is the tone of a lot of discussion on the forum. And I suppose that's typical of social media (which I otherwise don't follow). There's not much nuance or mutual understanding in these discussions.
Just watched the race.
fecking YES!!!!!!!!! 9 years of pain. Brilliant brilliant McLaren.
Don’t care about the rest of the race right now. Love it.
fecking YES!!!!!!!!! 9 years of pain. Brilliant brilliant McLaren.
Don’t care about the rest of the race right now. Love it.
Verstappen is a really unlikeable, contemptible character. Good fit with Horner.
It is. They've been hyping him up and proclaiming he's a future world champion and the one who'll break all the age record for being the youngest winner/pole winner/ champion and just encouraging him to be as reckless as possible.I think red bull are making it worse for Verstappen too. They keep feeding his ego and making him seem never in the wrong. They don’t come out and say it’s a mistake and they constantly make him think the other person is in the wrong.
Just look at his most recent post, even after being given a penalty for the incident he still says he’s not given space
the stupid thing is he literally never gives anybody space when fighting, so ironic.
That and Red Bull are obnoxious as feck.
Love much reciprocated coming from someone who lived in Oosterhout, not too far from Eindhoven I guess. Still remember the PSV of '86
Doesn't fit the narrative.
That's not the point is it, low speed in F1 is still quicker than the speed limit on the motorways. He caused an accident that could have cost someone their life.
The fact you've got a former F1 champion question whether he might have done it on purpose (be it "payback" or to stop someone scoring points), plus getting a grid penalty from the FIA says to me Max was completely in the wrong.
Not so sure about that because Lando was just holding station and had previously said that Riccardo was too slow.
Anyway, fantastic result for McLaren.
Except Max and Red Bull raised hell about Lewis not backing out in Silverstone. Max knows he should've backed out at the first corner in Monza, it's incredibly tight, you have to go over the curbs unless you've won the corner beforehand.
It's not so funny to hear Horner's seething reaction at Silverstone about Max getting killed and Lewis should've backed out compared to Monza where it's now just a chirpy relaxed two drivers going for a championship and Lewis needed to leave space, and guess what, Lewis could've been killed without the Halo device and even with it in at slightly different angles or heights can have compression of the neck and spine which could put him in a wheel chair for life.
Now the dust has settled and the FIA have pronounced against Max, I am still left with an uncomfortable feeling about his general behaviour toward his rival and other drivers.
Yes he may have thought that Lewis was not badly injured.
And thought that because Lewis was trying to reverse his car from under the RB that it was ok to just walk away.
But he could not have known that Lewis was trying to reverse to get the RB off his head.
How much better would it have been for him to just stop and check that everything was ok.
It is in these type of situations that a persons true character comes out.
Yes he may have thought that Lewis was not badly injured.
And thought that because Lewis was trying to reverse his car from under the RB that it was ok to just walk away.
But he could not have known that Lewis was trying to reverse to get the RB off his head.
How much better would it have been for him to just stop and check that everything was ok.
It is in these type of situations that a persons true character comes out.
He walked away in anger and true sulk without any regard for his opponent I thought, wasn’t nice to see even if people are providing stills of him glancing over at Lewis, it seemed to me he walked away without a care, amplified by his radio message straight after the incident.
I say that without being a massive fan of either driver.
That's a ridiculous argument though. His car wheel hit Lewis on the head regardless of whether it felt dangerous to Max or not. That's like saying if I run over an old woman at 70mph I felt perfectly safe so it's fine.
Horner, Red Bull's principal, doesn't have any principles btw.
Mad Max Crashstappen
Honestly Wolff and Hamilton are just as bad as Horner and Max. Wolff saying the crash was a "tactical foul" thus deliberate is ridiculous. Disgusting from Mercedes.
Easy in hindsight but Max should have just cut the chicane and got on the slipstream
both could have done something to avoid the contact. Either punish both or none.
This biggest car crash is right here.
Didn't want to post yesterday to let things cool down.
So now cool and calm:
Another Crashstappen divebomb masterclass. Kinda annoying how everyone is looking past it because they want someone else to win for once. I really wish there was a Nelson Pique around for this kid.
So now cool and calm:
Another Crashstappen divebomb masterclass. Kinda annoying how everyone is looking past it because they want someone else to win for once. I really wish there was a Nelson Pique around for this kid.
Leclerc was the first to really push back against Max's aggression and I think in fairness he's adapted his driving because of it. Should those two end up in future world championship battles they will collide a lot. Hamilton has met the aggression with his own, something he really did remove from his driving style but if that's the game you have to meet fire with fire.