F1 2021 Season

Damon Hill suggested max knew what he was doing and did it on purpose to protect his lead in the championship. His words not mine.
 
bit confused why Mercedes pitted Hamilton on lap 26. Surely on the hards he could have ran longer then been very strong at the end.

would 27 laps on the mediums not been pushing it a bit?
 
Interesting they went with a penalty, similar to Silverstone but worse for Red Bull as they can’t apply a time penalty. The point that other drivers avoided similar crashes by taking to the escape road/bumps including his team mate probably swung it. Almost certain that he takes the new engine then surely? I can’t remember how Russia is for overtaking though.
 
No11 said:
bit confused why Mercedes pitted Hamilton on lap 26. Surely on the hards he could have ran longer then been very strong at the end.

would 27 laps on the mediums not been pushing it a bit?
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Track position I imagine, if they didn’t make the mistake in the pit-stop for that extra second or two they would’ve come out ahead of Norris. The others on newer tyres probably would’ve closed any gap after another lap.
 
No11 said:
bit confused why Mercedes pitted Hamilton on lap 26. Surely on the hards he could have ran longer then been very strong at the end.

would 27 laps on the mediums not been pushing it a bit?
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Max's 11 second pitstop pretty much forced their hand as they should have got out clear of Max if they didn't have a poor pitstop too.
 
No11 said:
bit confused why Mercedes pitted Hamilton on lap 26. Surely on the hards he could have ran longer then been very strong at the end.

would 27 laps on the mediums not been pushing it a bit?
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That suprised me as well. You would have thought they would go long +10 laps to give lewis fresher tyres after his stop to challenge those in front of him.
 
ZIDANE said:
Interesting they went with a penalty, similar to Silverstone but worse for Red Bull as they can’t apply a time penalty. The point that other drivers avoided similar crashes by taking to the escape road/bumps including his team mate probably swung it. Almost certain that he takes the new engine then surely? I can’t remember how Russia is for overtaking though.
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How big a penalty is an engine? I thought it was only 10 places. If so wouldn't that mean he would have a 13 place penalty?
 
Fully Fledged said:
Max's 11 second pitstop pretty much forced their hand as they should have got out clear of Max if they didn't have a poor pitstop too.
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i get that, but surely 27 laps on the mediums was pushing it.
Had he gone another 6-7 laps he would have had a big advantage on fresh mediums.
Bottas was flying on the mediums until they went off.
 
Red Shorts said:
Actually not sure if you are being serious about this.. a fecking car landed on top of him. The lack of humanity from people is hilarious
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As Max was climbing out of his car Lewis tried at least twice to reverse out from under him, after he's out of his car and walking alongside the Merc Lewis tries yet again to reverse out.

Could Max have said/done something to acknowledge Lewis in that situation, sure, but if you're 2m away from someone who is repeatedly trying to get back on track and continue racing I'm pretty sure the reasonable conclusion is that the guy is fine and a thumbs up from him at that point isn't that crucial.

If I lack humanity for holding that opinion then so be it.
 
Frosty said:
Yes, but they may go for more components. From memory Russia has low tyre wear so they could make up a good points finish given the strength of the car on a one-stop.
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That would be giving a good lead in the championship to Lewis and as they were saying some of the remaining races might be cancelled.
 
No11 said:
i get that, but surely 27 laps on the mediums was pushing it.
Had he gone another 6-7 laps he would have had a big advantage on fresh mediums.
Bottas was flying on the mediums until they went off.
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How many laps did Max do on the medium tyre? I thing it was plausible to get around on a set of mediums.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
What’s him being a decent bloke got to do with anything, I never said otherwise.

I think he was wrong talking about this and glad hill pulled him up on it or disagreed with him

have a google of Paul di resta Hamilton.
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he is there to give his opinion.

you dont have to agree with it, but he is hardly a nobody.
 
Fully Fledged said:
That would be giving a good lead in the championship to Lewis and as they were saying some of the remaining races might be cancelled.
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I think conceding a lead will be inevitable as they need a new engine, and last year Mercedes was very strong in Russia so this could be the best place to take the penalty yet minimise the points loss?
 
wattsy7 said:
Anyone else think Leclerc & Sainz are seriously doing an amazing job in that awful Ferrari? Put either of those two in a Merc/Red Bull they’d be in the title fight.
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They are the worst of the big boys and the 2 boys are holding there own, next year should be interesting, with there new power unit and chassis, with Ferrari basically saying feck this year putting everything into next season, hopefully they will be able to compete next year and the Hammerheads and Maxists will have the Tifosi coming at them
 
Team Red Bull is a bunch of pricks. It starts with the principal and spreads down the chain. Christian Horner is the antithesis to gentleman of sport. He wants to win at any costs and I question his morality. Horner and Verstappen is to me a bad combination. I can imagine Horner encourage Verstappen to drive like an a…., and his uncritical support of Verstappen is like throwing petrol on flames.
 
Fully Fledged said:
How many laps did Max do on the medium tyre? I thing it was plausible to get around on a set of mediums.
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they were all struggling on the mediums come the end...... around 24 laps i would say.

I just thought with Mercedes starting on the hards they could have gone 30-32 laps and had a big advantage on the mediums till the end.
 
hobbers said:
I've been called out by a couple of salty fanboys who apparently can't argue a point to save their lives.

Genuinely dude, there's a lot of interesting aspects to debate about this race but you and a couple of others are focussing on some bizarre moral grandstanding argument based on false premises. It's a bit pitiable and very tedious.
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It's actually impressive how every post you manage to describe yourself in the insults you use to describe others. It's like you're the embodiment of irony.

It isn't moral grandstanding to think that Max should care about other drivers, its something that we should all see as a basic requirement to being allowed on the track.
 
No11 said:
they were all struggling on the mediums come the end...... around 24 laps i would say.

I just thought with Mercedes starting on the hards they could have gone 30-32 laps and had a big advantage on the mediums till the end.
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They could have. I just think they expected to come out in the lead and it proved hard to overtake at the front of the race.
 
No11 said:
he is there to give his opinion.

you dont have to agree with it, but he is hardly a nobody.
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In the grand scheme of formula 1, He is imo. Sorry if that offends you. He also seems fairly biased. Again, just my opinion of him. He may well be a fantastic person.
 
Polar said:
Team Red Bull is a bunch of pricks. It starts with the principal and spreads down the chain. Christian Horner is the antithesis to gentleman of sport. He wants to win at any costs and I question his morality. Horner and Verstappen is to me a bad combination. I can imagine Horner encourage Verstappen to drive like an a…., and his uncritical support of Verstappen is like throwing petrol on flames.
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this is pretty much how i see Mercedes funnily enough.
 
hobbers said:
Not opinions, objective facts.

Max was stood next to Lewis in his car trying to drive away. Fact. He can see he's fine. Fact. He didn't see his tyre hit Lewis' helmet. Fact.

In Silverstone Max went backwards into a wall at 180mph. Fact.


If you can't accept the above it's maybe a sign you're a bit of a deluded fanboy.
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Yup. I must be. Time to ignore.
 
christy87 said:
They are the worst of the big boys and the 2 boys are holding there own, next year should be interesting, with there new power unit and chassis, with Ferrari basically saying feck this year putting everything into next season, hopefully they will be able to compete next year and the Hammerheads and Maxists will have the Tifosi coming at them
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I'd be glad to see that. I'm not an especially big fan of Mercedes. I just dislike Red Bull.
 
hobbers said:
No it was me who said that from his perspective it was an awkward low speed crash. Which it was. Because he doesn't have access to 4K slow mo replays in his cockpit.
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Your original post does not make that distinction. It (still) reads as though you and no-one else, is downplaying the severity of the crash. I think that 4k slo-mo photo shows pretty clearly that it was a pretty nasty incident.

From what I read, you don't?
 
hobbers said:
Still waiting on your reasons as to why you think Max was oblivious to Lewis' health while stood there watching him trying to reverse away. Or how he managed to observe the contact of his rear tyre with Lewis' head.

Take your time.
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Max knew his car was on top of Hamilton's, and how dangerous that was, especially given he hit the gas while still on top, and then he ignored him when he got out and walked away. He didn't pay nearly enough attention to see if Lewis was OK, so based on his actions he didn't care.

Given his own, as you put it, moral grandstanding after Silverstone, at best it makes him a raging hypocrite.
 
The Hilton said:
Max knew his car was on top of Hamilton's, and how dangerous that was, especially given he hit the gas while still on top, and then he ignored him when he got out and walked away. He didn't pay nearly enough attention to see if Lewis was OK, so based on his actions he didn't care.

Given his own, as you put it, moral grandstanding after Silverstone, at best it makes him a raging hypocrite.
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Its probably not a big deal, but in fairness, Max fans in this thread made a massive fact about Lewis celebrating the Silverstone win, while Max was going for regulation checks in hospital. So it doesn’t surprise me to see people pushing back now.
 
Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.
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The stewards reviewed the incident after the race and declared Verstappen "predominantly to blame" for the incident. He will serve the penalty at the Russian Grand Prix. He has also been given two penalty points on his superlicence.
Glad this was handled similar to the British GP. Max was at fault and the most tell tell sign was the way he made is way away from the accident.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.
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To the first section of your post, I agree. This is very similar principally as the Silverstone incident. I think a sensible objective opinion is that penalties should be consistent. I always thought Silverstone was a racing incident. Perhaps 60-40 blame to Lewis. I’d say this is the same. Racing incident, 60-40 Max’s fault. Neither malicious. Neither intentional. Just two drivers not giving each other anything. That’s why I wish Silverstone wasn’t penalised because I don’t think either of these incidents are worthy of penalties.

To the second, I don’t think anyone is saying Max did it intentionally. Someone quoted Hill who suggested it. The big debate about complaining about Max was spurred by one poster who seemed to dismiss this as no risk minor accident. Seperate point altogether.
 
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