F1 2021 Season

Shane88 said:
As a casual F1 fan, why were people against the halo?
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jul/27/max-verstappen-formula-one-drivers-against-halo-system

Useful article there, showing that some objected to it on aesthetic grounds, some just viewed it as unlikely to make a difference and some were worried about the small reduction in visibility (including Grosjean whose life was saved by the halo last year). Interestingly, Hamilton had already switched his view before it was introduced because of the FIA tests proving its effectiveness.
 
Max to blame for me. He has to yield or go over the corner and then give the place back.

I certainly don’t think he’d ever intentionally try and take him out though. If that was remotely true, he should never drive again. These drivers put their lives in each other’s hands and none would ever be reckless enough to purposely take another out… surely.

I think it’s Max’s fault, as I say, but I think it’ll be ruled as a racing incident
 
Even some drivers were doubtful of the Halo at first - but I think it's fair to say with some of the incidents we've had since it was fitted, NOBODY should be doubting it anymore.
 
hobbers said:
I've been called out by a couple of salty fanboys who apparently can't argue a point to save their lives.

Genuinely dude, there's a lot of interesting aspects to debate about this race but you and a couple of others are focussing on some bizarre moral grandstanding argument based on false premises. It's a bit pitiable and very tedious.
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Rado_N said:
Jesus this thread is like peak Messi vs Ronaldo thread in terms of pettiness and childish arguments.
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It's brutal stuff.

Everything these days seems to turn into a tribal binary thing with no sensible middle ground or civilised debate.
Everyone has to win their argument at all costs
 
17Larsson said:
It's brutal stuff.

Everything these days seems to turn into a tribal binary thing with no sensible middle ground or civilised debate.
Everyone has to win their argument at all costs
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I think we need an “Is the F1 thread safe to go into yet?” thread.

Spoiler: no.
 
hobbers said:
Of course he can, Max is just as egotistical and spoilt as all top F1 drivers tend to be.

I'm just not frothing at the mouth for him walking past a car that's revving and moving and not leaning in to check on a driver who is obviously fine. It's a 15mph crash and Max will have no way of knowing where his rear wheel went.

Trying to use that as a stick to beat him with is pretty pathetic fanboyism tbh.
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hobbers said:
Not opinions, objective facts.

Max was stood next to Lewis in his car trying to drive away. Fact. He can see he's fine. Fact. He didn't see his tyre hit Lewis' helmet. Fact.

In Silverstone Max went backwards into a wall at 180mph. Fact.


If you can't accept the above it's maybe a sign you're a bit of a deluded fanboy.
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hobbers said:
I've been called out by a couple of salty fanboys who apparently can't argue a point to save their lives.

Genuinely dude, there's a lot of interesting aspects to debate about this race but you and a couple of others are focussing on some bizarre moral grandstanding argument based on false premises. It's a bit pitiable and very tedious.
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Just looking through the last couple of pages, you do use that word a lot more than anyone else. One hell of a glass house.
 
sewey89 said:
Max to blame for me. He has to yield or go over the corner and then give the place back.

I certainly don’t think he’d ever intentionally try and take him out though. If that was remotely true, he should never drive again. These drivers put their lives in each other’s hands and none would ever be reckless enough to purposely take another out… surely.

I think it’s Max’s fault, as I say, but I think it’ll be ruled as a racing incident
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That’s pretty much it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a grid penalty though. After what di resta was saying about Lewis leaving him room just after the 1st corner both would probably have been aided if Lewis shut him off completely making him go through the corner instead, because we all know if max sees the slightest of gaps he’ll try it.


Adam-Utd said:
Even some drivers were doubtful of the Halo at first - but I think it's fair to say with some of the incidents we've had since it was fitted, NOBODY should be doubting it anymore.
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Yeah it’s saved a lot of lives since it has come in, didn’t it save alonso a few years ago with it holding the weight of the car on it, when it first came in I was more in favour of the Indy car one with the screen.
 
The move was never really on for Max but if it was any other drivers we wouldn’t be talking about it being anything other than a racing incident.

If drivers stopped attempting slightly risky overtakes how boring would F1 be?
 
Looking forward to watching it back later. Had to drop someone off at the airport and caught five laps on my phone while they were checking in. Just happened to see the crash.

I thought it was more Max’s fault live, but didn’t really see a proper replay. It seemed like Lewis had every right to that line and Max just expected to be waved through, despite being behind.
 
Dan said:
Verstappen with a bit more patience might have overtaken Hamilton by the next chicane.
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i would say the very opposite, Hamilton on mediums had a good chance to get Verstappen. He was on the hards, i doubt he would have passed a MERC on the mediums.
 
christy87 said:
That’s pretty much it, I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a grid penalty though. After what di resta was saying about Lewis leaving him room just after the 1st corner both would probably have been aided if Lewis shut him off completely making him go through the corner instead, because we all know if max sees the slightest of gaps he’ll try it.



Yeah it’s saved a lot of lives since it has come in, didn’t it save alonso a few years ago with it holding the weight of the car on it, when it first came in I was more in favour of the Indy car one with the screen.
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Yeah he had a crash at Spa where a car landed on his head and took a big chunk out of the halo.
 
wattsy7 said:
The move was never really on for Max but if it was any other drivers we wouldn’t be talking about it being anything other than a racing incident.

If drivers stopped attempting slightly risky overtakes how boring would F1 be?
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F1 is a VERY thin line between a good pass and a bad one. It's very difficult to judge which a lot of instances are called racing incidents.

On this occasion though Max should have never even attempted it, the risk was far too high.
 
hobbers said:
Probably because he was stood right next to Lewis' car watching him try to reverse out. :lol:

As accidents go Silverstone was a massive crash. This was an awkward low speed crash. Trying to equate the two is absurd.
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Yup - just a low speed crash - nothing to see here...

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hobbers said:
Because it's accurate and it clearly annoys the hell out of the people it applies to.

I'm just a simple Norris fan who likes playing devils advocate in a thread where the balance is always tilted by spoilt whiny Hamilton fans.
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:lol:

So transparent. But not because of your glass house.

Edit: those bloody fanboy stewards.
 
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Imagine the heat coming off that tyre so close to your head!

When Max tried to drive back off the car after it had come to a stop, Lewis must have absolutely shit himself!
 
Best F1 season for years.

I dont care for Mercedes or Verstappen but this is what F1 should be like.
Both teams are showing the pressure.

Biggest problem with F1 is the inconsistancey when the penalties get handed out.

Well done McLaren.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
In racing maybe not, in the scheme of f1 he drove for force India for a few years. He’s got a bee in his bonnet imo
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a bee in his bonnet about what? he is a decent bloke who has driven F1 and has an opinion.
 
No11 said:
a bee in his bonnet about what? he is a decent bloke who has driven F1 and has an opinion.
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What’s him being a decent bloke got to do with anything, I never said otherwise.

I think he was wrong talking about this and glad hill pulled him up on it or disagreed with him

have a google of Paul di resta Hamilton.
 
3 place grid drop, I think pretty much odds on RB will take their new engine at Sochi, meaning the penalty is null and void really.
If they do FIA might take a dim view if it and say, the penalty will taken at the race after.
 
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