F1 2021 Season

So it seems like Russell is getting the Mercedes seat.

Bottas and Nick De Vries to Alfa Romeo, Albon to Williams.
Those driver changes have been the rumours for a while and probably why the announcements have been taking longer.

Horner was looking for a seat for Albon and they recently confirmed Perez. What's surprising is you'll have an ex Merc and current Merc driver in a Ferrari powered Alfa (no young Ferrari driver), whilst an ex/current Red Bull driver is in a Williams Merc, and Ocon (Merc) is in a Renault.

I wondered if McLaren would've got rid of RIC a year early and maybe he could've gone back to Red Bull replacing Perez opening a slot for Russell.

Anyway, Merc will have the best driver line up so the front of the grid should be pretty exciting next year even if they develop the best car.
 
For those that can read French (or are handy with online translators), I was reading an article just now that goes into Spa, and the Eau Rouge/Raidillon section specifically:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/...eau-rouge-raidillon-sebastian-vettel-w-series

They describe the section in detail and discuss its history, and go into some of the peculiarities of Spa (like its microclimate). I found it very interesting. It also shows Vettel again as the nice guy through his concerns about the track and racer safety after Norris's crash.

They also mention this bump that came up in this thread ahead of the race. It is likely to have been caused by damage done by big rains that happened in early June. Big like this (tweet from June 4):
 
Those driver changes have been the rumours for a while and probably why the announcements have been taking longer.

Horner was looking for a seat for Albon and they recently confirmed Perez. What's surprising is you'll have an ex Merc and current Merc driver in a Ferrari powered Alfa (no young Ferrari driver), whilst an ex/current Red Bull driver is in a Williams Merc, and Ocon (Merc) is in a Renault.

I wondered if McLaren would've got rid of RIC a year early and maybe he could've gone back to Red Bull replacing Perez opening a slot for Russell.

Anyway, Merc will have the best driver line up so the front of the grid should be pretty exciting next year even if they develop the best car.

I believe that deal ends this season
 
Are people suggesting race on Monday actually thinking? Surely the stewards are the least problem. All the networks have paid and scheduled a particular timeslot, it cannot be just reshuffled - maybe for some sports only networks it is not that much a hassle - but in general it is a problem. Also, all the people in the crowd that actually have day jobs/school, and can't be excused for a F1 race attendance.
Tv time slots are an easy fix. The crowd also, if they can make it great, if not they should get a refund.

I believe the challenge was logistics. Getting all the stuff to Netherlands in time. I assume transport etc. was booked.
 
For those that can read French (or are handy with online translators), I was reading an article just now that goes into Spa, and the Eau Rouge/Raidillon section specifically:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/sports/...eau-rouge-raidillon-sebastian-vettel-w-series

They describe the section in detail and discuss its history, and go into some of the peculiarities of Spa (like its microclimate). I found it very interesting. It also shows Vettel again as the nice guy through his concerns about the track and racer safety after Norris's crash.

They also mention this bump that came up in this thread ahead of the race. It is likely to have been caused by damage done by big rains that happened in early June. Big like this (tweet from June 4):

They should've raced that.

Health and safety gone mad.

Schumacher raced wetter tracks than that.
 
As Brundle has often said one of the best ways to dry out a track is to let 22 cars go racing. They shift so much water that after a few cautious laps the tyres would be up to temp and there would be a racing line to follow.

The spray would have been an issue but they have raced in worse previously. If it had been this wet and it was at Monaco, the race definitely would have gone ahead, because f1 would need to run it because all the major sponsors would be present.

The whole thing was a farce as was the points award regardless of whom you are a fan of.
 
was listening to a couple experts its probably something that should be looked into for the future as a contingency but there was no avenue for it to be held monday. They would if they could that I don't doubt. The Martial issue would have been a huge issue. I dont know how Nascar and indy car do it but the f1 martials are always volunteers that have prior arrangements for Monday, bbc, sky channel 4 would all take a big hit with their scheduling and fans especially the Dutch fans would take a huge hit with travel or hotel expenses that they didnt plan for.
All solvable problems. People saying “but the crowds won’t be able to make it”. Well guess what, the crowd didn’t see a race on Sunday so how is it worse?
 
As Brundle has often said one of the best ways to dry out a track is to let 22 cars go racing. They shift so much water that after a few cautious laps the tyres would be up to temp and there would be a racing line to follow.

The spray would have been an issue but they have raced in worse previously. If it had been this wet and it was at Monaco, the race definitely would have gone ahead, because f1 would need to run it because all the major sponsors would be present.

The whole thing was a farce as was the points award regardless of whom you are a fan of.
Haven't people been saying that the continuous rain meant that the water wouldn;'t actually hav gotten cleared off the track through racing?

Also, everybody wants to race; there isn't anybody there trying to pull out of the actual event. So surely they must have had pretty good reasons to pull out...? All these reasons for why the race could have happened seem to suggest (to me at least) the racers or organizations weren't sufficiently interesting in doing everything possible to go and race, and I just don't get that at all.
 
Kimi has officially retired....again.

Also a rumour from Sport1 in Germany, Mercedes could become Alfa Romeo engine supplier. Which would explain Gio is out and rumours of De Vries and Bottas to Alfa.
 
Kimi has officially retired....again.

Also a rumour from Sport1 in Germany, Mercedes could become Alfa Romeo engine supplier. Which would explain Gio is out and rumours of De Vries and Bottas to Alfa.

Expect to see George Russel announced at Merc & Bottas to Alfa announced in Italy next weekend.
 
Haven't people been saying that the continuous rain meant that the water wouldn;'t actually hav gotten cleared off the track through racing?

Also, everybody wants to race; there isn't anybody there trying to pull out of the actual event. So surely they must have had pretty good reasons to pull out...? All these reasons for why the race could have happened seem to suggest (to me at least) the racers or organizations weren't sufficiently interesting in doing everything possible to go and race, and I just don't get that at all.
A f1 car clears 60 litres of water per second at high speed. As brundle said in his sky column they could have gone out under VSC and at faster speeds than a full saftey car cleared up alot of the standing water on the track.
 
A f1 car clears 60 litres of water per second at high speed. As brundle said in his sky column they could have gone out under VSC and at faster speeds than a full saftey car cleared up alot of the standing water on the track.
At a normal track I would agee, the problem was this track is 4 miles, the longest I am sure Brundle said on Sunday that by the time they got back round the track it would be just as wet.
 
Apparently gone down like a lead balloon with Hamilton :lol: :lol: :lol:
You got a quote or a article or you just trolling? Kinda obvious that lewis would know before hand what Mercedes were doing for the 2nd seat. He alluded to as much in an interview last friday when he said he understood Mercedes needed to look at the long term for the team as well as the short term.

Max is mistaken if he thinks as quoted that russell will make life difficult for lewis. Lewis will step up his game and Max will have to contend against two very fast Mercedes drivers.
 
You got a quote or a article or you just trolling? Kinda obvious that lewis would know before hand what Mercedes were doing for the 2nd seat. He alluded to as much in an interview last friday when he said he understood Mercedes needed to look at the long term for the team as well as the short term.

Max is mistaken if he thinks as quoted that russell will make life difficult for lewis. Lewis will step up his game and Max will have to contend against two very fast Mercedes drivers.
Just looked it up, the story originated from the daily mail... Do I need to say more?

Here's an article that contains the claim and link to the original: https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-not-happy-george-russell/
 
Jonathan McEvoy, well known Hamilton shit stirrer. Give me strength.
 
You got a quote or a article or you just trolling? Kinda obvious that lewis would know before hand what Mercedes were doing for the 2nd seat. He alluded to as much in an interview last friday when he said he understood Mercedes needed to look at the long term for the team as well as the short term.

Max is mistaken if he thinks as quoted that russell will make life difficult for lewis. Lewis will step up his game and Max will have to contend against two very fast Mercedes drivers.
NAIL ON THE HEAD
 
Kimi has officially retired....again.

Also a rumour from Sport1 in Germany, Mercedes could become Alfa Romeo engine supplier. Which would explain Gio is out and rumours of De Vries and Bottas to Alfa.
Does that mean they change back their name to Sauber?

Alfa Romeo and Ferrari have the same owners if I remember correctly.

And who's Mercedes dropping? The rules only allow them to supply up to 3 other team, and they have McLaren, Aston Martin and Williams all signed up.
 
Does that mean they change back their name to Sauber?

Alfa Romeo and Ferrari have the same owners if I remember correctly.

And who's Mercedes dropping? The rules only allow them to supply up to 3 other team, and they have McLaren, Aston Martin and Williams all signed up.

Unsure it did mention the terms have been of the deal they had have been updated so Alfa can pick it's own drivers now but it's most likely F1 silly season. https://www.planetf1.com/news/mercedes-power-alfa-romeo-rumour/

Apparently you can get approval from other teams for a 4th team to get a Merc engine, which would surely be denied.
 
Breaking down won't help Hamilton's cause in FP2.

Not massively worried, I reckon he's quick here.
 
Pole, Win + fastest lap with Bottas taking out Max would be hilarious for all the tears from Horner and max fanboys.

I wonder what percentage of people calling other people fanboys are actually fanboys themselves. Must be close to 100 percent. You certainly are.
 
Does that mean they change back their name to Sauber?

Alfa Romeo and Ferrari have the same owners if I remember correctly.

And who's Mercedes dropping? The rules only allow them to supply up to 3 other team, and they have McLaren, Aston Martin and Williams all signed up.
Fiat own Alfa Romeo now, not Ferrari.

Fiat are a 25% stake holder in ferrari, but not really enough to stop Alfa going in their own direction if it suits.

https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/who-owns-ferrari/
 
Fiat own Alfa Romeo now, not Ferrari.

Fiat are a 25% stake holder in ferrari, but not really enough to stop Alfa going in their own direction if it suits.

https://www.ferrarilakeforest.com/who-owns-ferrari/
Agnelli family is the biggest shareholders in the company that owns Alfa and Ferrari. Doesn't make sense for them to continue to license the naming rights to a Mercedes powered Sauber, especially when they've no driver spot available for Ferrari to send their junior driver for a F1 drive.
 
Agnelli family is the biggest shareholders in the company that owns Alfa and Ferrari. Doesn't make sense for them to continue to license the naming rights to a Mercedes powered Sauber, especially when they've no driver spot available for Ferrari to send their junior driver for a F1 drive.
it doesn’t make them the majority shareholder though or the decision maker. If the others feel it’s better for them to go a different direction then I don’t see why it matters.

I really don’t think people who buy Ferraris will care if Alfa romeo use a ferrari engine in f1 :lol:
 
Dutch GP FP
Dutch GP Practice One Timesheet
DriverTeamTime
1) Lewis HamiltonMercedes1:11.500
2) Max VerstappenRed Bull+0.097
3) Carlos SainzFerrari+0.101
4) Charles LeclercFerrari+0.123
5) Valtteri BottasMercedes+0.238
6) Fernando AlonsoAlpine+0.658
7) Esteban OconAlpine+0.731
8) Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo+0.859
9) Lance StrollAston Martin+0.931
10) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri+1.015
11) Lando NorrisMcLaren+1.179
12) Nicholas LatifiWilliams+1.407
13) Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo+1.553
14) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren+1.581
15) George RussellWilliams+1.681
16) Sergio PerezRed Bull+1.828
17) Nikita MazepinHaas+2.016
18) Mick SchumacherHaas+2.347
19) Sebastian VettelAston Martin+4.484
20) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauriNo time set

Dutch GP Practice Two Timesheet
DriverTeamTime
1) Charles LeclercFerrari1:10.902
2) Carlos SainzFerrari+0.154
3) Esteban OconAlpine+0.172
4) Valtteri BottasMercedes+0.230
5) Max VerstappenRed Bull+0.362
6) Fernando AlonsoAlpine+0.378
7) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri+0.560
8) Lando NorrisMcLaren+0.586
9) Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo+0.776
10) Sebastian VettelAston Martin+0.811
11) Lewis HamiltonMercedes+1.009
12) Sergio PerezRed Bull+1.044
13) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri+1.194
14) Lance StrollAston Martin+1.234
15) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren+1.255
16) Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo+1.304
17) Mick SchumacherHaas+1.705
18) Nicholas LatifiWilliams+1.708
19) Nikita MazepinHaas+1.933
20) George RussellWilliams+1.953
 
Verstappen summoned by the Stewards for overtaking under red flags.
 
Having seen the onboard from Stroll and the angle from Max's car, don't think that should be a penalty. He basically would have needed to slam on the brakes without checking where other cars were to avoid overtaking Stroll and he seemed to lift off as soon as the light became visible.

Then again, I didn't think Norris at Baku should have been a penalty either and it was given so who knows.
 
Didn’t look like a penalty, not much you can expect him to do when another car is slower and the red flag is shown at that point of passing.
 
About as petty as it gets to complain about that situation. Article I read only said it was a "rival team" who filed the complaint. Does anybody know who it was?