This. No racing took place what so ever.
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This. No racing took place what so ever.
Or just reschedule it at the end of the season
If Max wins his first WDC now it will always be one one with a race without racing
This sport is gone.
Could always have the asterix like Utd fans wanted for Liverpool’s title win.
Found the celebrations a bit over the top tbh. Its not like they actually raced.
This. The powers that be that made the rules that allowed this shambles today should be hauled into court.
The rules need a huge overhaul. It was really was a mess from the first minute until the last.
Ya might want to think before posting, Belgium in December.
There is a slot in October to be used, but you can't trust north European weather in October, it could be warm, it could be cold, it could be windy and pissing rain
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What a farce. Fans who attended should be refunded and no points should have been given out. Not fair on the likes of lando.
I think the points thing is stupid but it is what it is. Yes, no racing, but they guys in those points positions were there on the merits of qualifying so I can grudgingly accept it.
As for whether fans get refunded because of it, if they don’t refund those fans who sat out in the rain for hopes of a race, because of 2 laps behind a safety car, that is beyond disgraceful.
As for whether fans get refunded because of it, if they don’t refund those fans who sat out in the rain for hopes of a race, because of 2 laps behind a safety car, that is beyond disgraceful.
I honestly do not understand why they could not just reschedule the race for a different weekend and offer a refund to the fans. It seems like the fairly obvious, logical and ethical thing to do.
The schedule is impossible. It's fully packed and they'll be in a different continent towards the end of the season.
IMO they should have ran the race on Monday. Pay the marshalls a days wage if required, issue tickets for the fans who want to come again on Monday, or offer refunds for people who didn't come back.
I don't really understand why they don't use some sort of road sweeper either? That could easily clear the water on the racing line while they wait.
IMO today they should have raced at the first opportunity. Previous races has been way worse than this, the spray wasn't THAT bad - they just need to go a little slower and drive to the conditions.
Senna and Schumacher would have won taken that race and won it with ease.
Logistics of rescheduling a race is too difficult and costly for the teams to put it at a different weekend and you can't postpone it to tomorrow because the Marshalls aren't available as they need to go back to work.
Just to play devils advocate, I’m not sure those things are equal. Having luck or not during a race is a part of racing, always. Losing points to a rival when no race has taken place is a bit of a farce.
I have no general issue with allocating points for qualifying positions if that’s what they want to do, but the rule needs to actually reflect that.
To pretend that they can now allocate points based on the fact they’ve raced two laps under a SC is just a loophole in the rule. I’ll add at this point I’m a Hamilton fan, but I believe I’m objective enough about F1 that I would be saying this regardless of who benefitted.
I’ve heard this argument, yet golf tournaments are semi regularly delayed into Mondays and they use volunteer marshalls.
Agree with all of the above
No idea, but apparently 75,000 fans there would need policing, traffic control etc. Maybe screws up all the teams' shipping equipment to the next race?
Surely in 70+ years they could've come up with a better contingency than that shambles. Thought Lewis spoke well on the money motivation.
Who would have thought it might rain at Spa... It's basically unheard of!
This should see people losing their positions. With the billions going in and out of F1 how hard can it be to pay stewards and just have them there for the monday as well...
If fans don't get refunded it is a disgrace. I wonder how much people spent on tickets, lodging and travel.
I dunno, the only time I went to Belgium it was absolutely boiling
Presumably it's more an issue with licences, permits or whatever from the council than paying some stewards. The logistics sound horrible, the more you think about it but yeah, this might be influencing tumescent online GOAT debates in 15 years.
Pretty much every problem they are facing now is self made. I'm sure Spa has nothing more important than an F1 race going on on a regular monday. They made the schedule themselves.I dunno, the only time I went to Belgium it was absolutely boiling
Presumably it's more an issue with licences, permits or whatever from the council than paying some stewards. The logistics sound horrible, the more you think about it but yeah, this might be influencing tumescent online GOAT debates in 15 years.
If actual torrential rain had damaged the track I'd understand them not having a satisfying response. But to call 3 laps behind a safety car a GP because their cunning plan didn't involve normal rain is pathetic.
(Never ceases to amaze how other sporting organizations make fifa/uefa look competent now and then)
Are people suggesting race on Monday actually thinking? Surely the stewards are the least problem. All the networks have paid and scheduled a particular timeslot, it cannot be just reshuffled - maybe for some sports only networks it is not that much a hassle - but in general it is a problem. Also, all the people in the crowd that actually have day jobs/school, and can't be excused for a F1 race attendance.
The point of a sport is the sport and not TV slots. Those TV slots got naught regardless if there was a race tomorrow or not. Actually instead of getting nothing they had to sell 3 laps behind a production car as their product today. Great stuff.
Yeah, you are quite naive. The money for this sport come from TV rights.
The point is, a race on Monday was not possible. I don't know whether a rescheduling could have worked.
@ChaddyP your fantasy picks 
In which way was what happened today a positive for the TV rights holders?
Does Nascar not live off TV rights or don't Americans work on Mondays?
https://www.nascar.com/gallery/worth-the-wait-drivers-who-won-on-monday/
It was a farce similar to that ferrari usa gp years ago
If you want to award the points just do it, no need to spend a day waiting about to run a few sc laps, dont treat people like mugs
If they couldn't race should have just cancelled it
And F1 wonders why it has issues attracting fans....
If you want to award the points just do it, no need to spend a day waiting about to run a few sc laps, dont treat people like mugs
If they couldn't race should have just cancelled it
And F1 wonders why it has issues attracting fans....
Those who watch nascar usually don't. Work.
They just need to reschedule Spa to a different month on the calendar.
A sport that is inherently broken to the core.
Of course the drivers can’t fecking see on a fully wet track, but if you get the cars turning the course at race pace, more than likely the on track water will dissipate…
How is it we can have races like Spain 96, but days like today are deemed “too wet”.
either drivers don’t know how to drive to the conditions, or the tire manufacturers can’t design a fecking tire.
Of course the drivers can’t fecking see on a fully wet track, but if you get the cars turning the course at race pace, more than likely the on track water will dissipate…
How is it we can have races like Spain 96, but days like today are deemed “too wet”.
either drivers don’t know how to drive to the conditions, or the tire manufacturers can’t design a fecking tire.
Remember the race coulthard took Schumacher’s tire out
It wasn't about any of that, the drivers literally couldn't see a thing. You can't 'drive to the conditions' by driving with basically your eyes closed.
Even wet race tracks improve with cars driving around. Those conditions yesterday were not different to conditions we’ve seen races go on in the past. Even turkey last year. It was simply a case that there was standing water on the track impeding drivers vision. They should have just kept circling under the safety car instead of two laps and throwing in the towel.
By the sounds of it, the wet tyres in f1 are a pile of shit and near verging on grooved slick tyres hence the reason they pretty much need minimal rain to get out on track.
The water was coming down harder than it could be displaced even by the full field. It was mentioned multiple times.
Yes indeed. Sometimes, you just have to accept that the weather is going to beat you. As anyone in the UK will know only too well.
Why did they give out any points yesterday?! Nobody deserved them, there wasn't a race! Cancel it and move on for goodness sake, it's pathetic. If Max wins the championship because of these points, is that really right?!
You say that, but then are you telling me George Russell deserved nothing from that race after such a great qualification?
Max also surely earned something qualifying first.
Imagine all that effort and even then, getting nothing out of it.
I stopped watching, they should have just cancelled the race.
I knew they would get out for the 2 laps needed to call half points, total farce by FIA and the stewards.
The problem was not the wet weather tyres, They can be used on a wet track with no standing water, as well as a drying surface. This tyre evacuates 30 litres of water per second per tyre at 300kph.
The problem was there was lots of standing water and even more rain falling, even the 20 cars would not have cleared the water enough to make inters an option.
Was Lewis right about the money, yes I suspect he was, there was a race and a result !! so no money back for the fans who stood out in the rain all day and paid a shed load of money.
One thing that came really apparent was just how complicated the F1 rules are, not even the teams had a clue what was going on.
Spa at the end of August, what did they expect, at Spa it rains and rains a lot.
I knew they would get out for the 2 laps needed to call half points, total farce by FIA and the stewards.
The problem was not the wet weather tyres, They can be used on a wet track with no standing water, as well as a drying surface. This tyre evacuates 30 litres of water per second per tyre at 300kph.
The problem was there was lots of standing water and even more rain falling, even the 20 cars would not have cleared the water enough to make inters an option.
Was Lewis right about the money, yes I suspect he was, there was a race and a result !! so no money back for the fans who stood out in the rain all day and paid a shed load of money.
One thing that came really apparent was just how complicated the F1 rules are, not even the teams had a clue what was going on.
Spa at the end of August, what did they expect, at Spa it rains and rains a lot.
Why not?
Wimbledon once managed to have a final on a Monday.
What could tennis have done instead? One player takes one serve in the rain, then the match is called off? Whoever wins that point is the champion. Of course not, but that would still be more play than there was in this farce.
What would happen in a skiing competition if that week's venue had no snow? Grass skiing instead? No. They'd rearrange to a different venue, then come back a few weeks later. If motor racing logistics is too big to be able to wait a day or two (Spa will be sunny with showers today, and fine tomorrow), then an event like yesterday should be nulled.
Could they not have just allocated the sprint race points, would seem a bit fairer at least.
None of them deserved anything... There wasn't a race! He got a 2nd place qualification, which will be written down in history. His 2nd place in the race and the subsequent points are irrelevant. He didn't earn them.