F1 2021 Season

[pauldyson1uk]

Rank	Driver	Number	Team	Grid	Pits	Fastest Lap	Race Time	PointsPts
1	Max Verstappen	33	Red Bull	1	00	3:18.374	03:27.0710	12.5
2	George Russell	63	Williams	2	00	3:18.804	1.995 behind	9
3	Lewis Hamilton	44	Mercedes	3	00	3:19.101	2.601 behind	7.5
4	Daniel Ricciardo	3	McLaren	4	00	3:19.187	4.496 behind	6
5	Sebastian Vettel	5	Aston Martin	5	00	3:18.496	7.479 behind	5
6	Pierre Gasly	10	AlphaTauri	6	00	3:19.284	10.177 behind	4
7	Esteban Ocon	31	Alpine	7	00	3:18.520	11.579 behind	3
8	Charles Leclerc	16	Ferrari	8	00	3:19.181	12.608 behind	2
9	Nicholas Latifi	6	Williams	9	00	3:18.867	15.484 behind	1
10	Carlos Sainz Jnr	55	Ferrari	10	00	3:18.926	16.166 behind	0.5
11	Fernando Alonso	14	Alpine	11	00	3:18.069	20.590 behind	00
12	Valtteri Bottas	77	Mercedes	12	00	3:18.036	22.414 behind	00
13	Antonio Giovinazzi	99	Alfa Romeo	13	00	3:18.202	24.163 behind	00
14	Lando Norris	4	McLaren	14	00	3:18.477	27.109 behind	00
15	Yuki Tsunoda	22	AlphaTauri	15	00	3:18.308	28.329 behind	00
16	Mick Schumacher	47	Haas	16	00	3:18.833	29.507 behind	00
17	Nikita Mazepin	9	Haas	17	00	fastest overall lap 3:18.016	31.993 behind	00
18	Kimi Raikkonen	7	Alfa Romeo	not available-	00	3:18.963	36.054 behind	00
19	Sergio Perez	11	Red Bull	not available-	00	3:19.440	38.205 behind	00
20	Lance Stroll	18	Aston Martin	18	00	3:18.033	44.108 behind	00

 

[pauldyson1uk]

None of them deserved anything... There wasn't a race! He got a 2nd place qualification, which will be written down in history. His 2nd place in the race and the subsequent points are irrelevant. He didn't earn them.

I tend to agree with this.

 

[Igor Drefljak]

2 Lewis fans didn't want the end result... Shock

Where does it end though?
The teams turned up. They got the cars ready. They tweaked them for the track.
Things still happened.

The drivers still went onto the track, put in their best laps.
Go tell George that all his efforts were for nothing because of something out of his control and every ones control.

Of course a championship could be determined by yesterdays result.
But theres so many other things you could look at that could easily be deemed unfair that could massively play out the outcome of the season

 

[Abizzz]

Rank	Driver	Number	Team	Grid	Pits	Fastest Lap	Race Time	PointsPts
1	Max Verstappen	33	Red Bull	1	00	3:18.374	03:27.0710	12.5
2	George Russell	63	Williams	2	00	3:18.804	1.995 behind	9
3	Lewis Hamilton	44	Mercedes	3	00	3:19.101	2.601 behind	7.5
4	Daniel Ricciardo	3	McLaren	4	00	3:19.187	4.496 behind	6
5	Sebastian Vettel	5	Aston Martin	5	00	3:18.496	7.479 behind	5
6	Pierre Gasly	10	AlphaTauri	6	00	3:19.284	10.177 behind	4
7	Esteban Ocon	31	Alpine	7	00	3:18.520	11.579 behind	3
8	Charles Leclerc	16	Ferrari	8	00	3:19.181	12.608 behind	2
9	Nicholas Latifi	6	Williams	9	00	3:18.867	15.484 behind	1
10	Carlos Sainz Jnr	55	Ferrari	10	00	3:18.926	16.166 behind	0.5
11	Fernando Alonso	14	Alpine	11	00	3:18.069	20.590 behind	00
12	Valtteri Bottas	77	Mercedes	12	00	3:18.036	22.414 behind	00
13	Antonio Giovinazzi	99	Alfa Romeo	13	00	3:18.202	24.163 behind	00
14	Lando Norris	4	McLaren	14	00	3:18.477	27.109 behind	00
15	Yuki Tsunoda	22	AlphaTauri	15	00	3:18.308	28.329 behind	00
16	Mick Schumacher	47	Haas	16	00	3:18.833	29.507 behind	00
17	Nikita Mazepin	9	Haas	17	00	fastest overall lap 3:18.016	31.993 behind	00
18	Kimi Raikkonen	7	Alfa Romeo	not available-	00	3:18.963	36.054 behind	00
19	Sergio Perez	11	Red Bull	not available-	00	3:19.440	38.205 behind	00
20	Lance Stroll	18	Aston Martin	18	00	3:18.033	44.108 behind	00

What where the odds on Mazepin getting fastest lap ? Glad he was outside the top 10 though.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

2 Lewis fans didn't want the end result... Shock

Where does it end though?
The teams turned up. They got the cars ready. They tweaked them for the track.
Things still happened.

The drivers still went onto the track, put in their best laps.
Go tell George that all his efforts were for nothing because of something out of his control and every ones control.

Of course a championship could be determined by yesterdays result.
But theres so many other things you could look at that could easily be deemed unfair that could massively play out the outcome of the season

what does that have to do with it?
It was no race, how can a precession behind the SC be counted has a race.
OK Russell had a fantastic result in qualifying, if the race had gone ahead, I doubt he would have finished even in the podium.
If you want to turn it in to some sort of Lewis thing, thats up to you.
Max is a fantastic driver in the wet, his pole lap was excellent, Russells was even better, but its has been said many time on here races are not won on a Saturday, well in this case the rules say yes it can be, I dont agree with those rules.

 

[slyadams]

Are people suggesting race on Monday actually thinking? Surely the stewards are the least problem. All the networks have paid and scheduled a particular timeslot, it cannot be just reshuffled - maybe for some sports only networks it is not that much a hassle - but in general it is a problem. Also, all the people in the crowd that actually have day jobs/school, and can't be excused for a F1 race attendance.

They are thinking, lots of sports do it. Are you suggesting that awarding points for 2 laps behind the safety car OR cancelling the race is preferable to a Monday race where attendance would be lower and viewership a bit tricker?

The TV schedule argument is hogwash. The number of times TV has to deal with sporting reschedules (see cricket) is numerous, it’s not hard. Monday is hardly a packed day sports wise.

 

[Slevs]

F1 Official Page putting George Russell's trophy pic as their cover photo.
This is hilarious, and I even like Russell.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

You say that, but then are you telling me George Russell deserved nothing from that race after such a great qualification?
Max also surely earned something qualifying first.

Imagine all that effort and even then, getting nothing out of it.

Yes, the podium and points awarded was a joke. qualifying is not the race and a few formation laps are not a race.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

2 Lewis fans didn't want the end result... Shock

Where does it end though?
The teams turned up. They got the cars ready. They tweaked them for the track.
Things still happened.

The drivers still went onto the track, put in their best laps.
Go tell George that all his efforts were for nothing because of something out of his control and every ones control.

Of course a championship could be determined by yesterdays result.
But theres so many other things you could look at that could easily be deemed unfair that could massively play out the outcome of the season

It's nothing to do with who they are fans of. There was no race!!

 

[Abizzz]

It's nothing to do with who they are fans of. There was no race!!

Think it's likely Max lost more than Hamilton here. Max has the talent and car to take the win from pole and Hamilton wouldn't have gotten further than second unless very fortunate (factor in being at higher risk between cars than at the front too). If Max had won and Lewis finished 2nd Max would have gained more over Lewis than through this farce.

 

[Balljy]

2 Lewis fans didn't want the end result... Shock

Where does it end though?
The teams turned up. They got the cars ready. They tweaked them for the track.
Things still happened.

The drivers still went onto the track, put in their best laps.
Go tell George that all his efforts were for nothing because of something out of his control and every ones control.

Of course a championship could be determined by yesterdays result.
But theres so many other things you could look at that could easily be deemed unfair that could massively play out the outcome of the season

Every driver I have seen comment on it has said that it was a farce that points were given including Verstappen, Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso. Team principals have said the same and I'm sure the likes of Russell would only want the points doing what they are paid to do which is race. There was no race so how can there be points given out!

Lewis Hamilton: Belgian Grand Prix was 'a farce' - BBC Sport

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Think it's likely Max lost more than Hamilton here. Max has the talent and car to take the win from pole and Hamilton wouldn't have gotten further than second unless very fortunate (factor in being at higher risk between cars than at the front too). If Max had won and Lewis finished 2nd Max would have gained more over Lewis than through this farce.

Very hard to say. But the visibility from the front was much better so Max would've had a clear advantage from the start.

But for me, it's not about the result, it's the fact there was no race. I love Russell, but to see him coming bouncing out onto the podium when there was no race was embarrassing.

 

[Abizzz]

Very hard to say. But the visibility from the front was much better so Max would've had a clear advantage from the start.

But for me, it's not about the result, it's the fact there was no race. I love Russell, but to see him coming bouncing out onto the podium when there was no race was embarrassing.

Oh, I agree. Would prefer them just handing out half points for qualifying over calling 3 laps behind a safety car a grand prix. It's Trumpesque in it's absurdity really.

 

[Pavl3n]

Wow... what a ludicrous decision. I only started again following F1 this season and this just ruined the competition.

 

[Dan_F]

2 Lewis fans didn't want the end result... Shock

Where does it end though?
The teams turned up. They got the cars ready. They tweaked them for the track.
Things still happened.

The drivers still went onto the track, put in their best laps.
Go tell George that all his efforts were for nothing because of something out of his control and every ones control.

Of course a championship could be determined by yesterdays result.
But theres so many other things you could look at that could easily be deemed unfair that could massively play out the outcome of the season

That would be fine if the rules actually say that qualifying decides the result if there is no race. However it doesn’t, so they went through the sham of 2 laps to make it so.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Very hard to say. But the visibility from the front was much better so Max would've had a clear advantage from the start.

But for me, it's not about the result, it's the fact there was no race. I love Russell, but to see him coming bouncing out onto the podium when there was no race was embarrassing.

I can’t blame Russell, it’s his first podium and he’s bound to be excited, it’s also a huge deal for Williams essentially cementing themselves ahead of Haas in the constructors which clearly means a lot to him.

I do feel the fact they decided to call this a race and have a result though is stupid. It should have been cancelled.

 

[sun_tzu]

Wow... what a ludicrous decision. I only started again following F1 this season and this just ruined the competition.

If max wins the championship by a point it should have a big asterix next to it... hopefully it does not come down to this and it can be consigned to a shambolic gp like the USA one from a few years ago where the tyres couldn't cope with the banked corners

 

[Leg-End]

Let’s be honest if Hamilton won that “race” a good percentage of the fan base would be frothing at the mouth in outrage.

The decision will stand because it’s their own rules, they will obviously have to look at changing the rules to avoid this again.

 

[ChaddyP]

@ChaddyP your fantasy picks

Would you like to know the lotto numbers

 

[Camilo]

2 Lewis fans didn't want the end result... Shock

Where does it end though?
The teams turned up. They got the cars ready. They tweaked them for the track.
Things still happened.

The drivers still went onto the track, put in their best laps.
Go tell George that all his efforts were for nothing because of something out of his control and every ones control.

Of course a championship could be determined by yesterdays result.
But theres so many other things you could look at that could easily be deemed unfair that could massively play out the outcome of the season

He got a 2nd place qualifying result. That's all he achieved. That's not nothing.

He doesn't deserve a single point, and neither does anyone else, because there wasn't a race. Primary school F1, where we have to be nice to everyone, points for participation etc..

 

[ArjenIsM3]

So I've just checked the weather for the Dutch GP and as it stands it's a sunny weekend untill sunday 3PM. Rain from 3 to 5. Not even joking

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Dutch GP predicted weather

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Fantasy Standings after the Belgium GP.
There is a new leader ChaddyP.
Jumped from 4th after race 9 to top after 12 races. Well Done

1st	chaddyp​	ChaddyP​	1131.0​	X
2nd	manoucha​	Manoucha09​	1112.0​	X
3rd	senorgregster​	Hamilton Academical​	1111.5​	X
4th	venkman​	Toyoda​	1089.5​	X
5th	emm​	EMM​	1067.5​	X
6th	mtf​	Tropical Falcon Racing​	1009.5​	X
7th	coleworld​	Coleworrrld​	1006.5​	X
8th	impulse​	Team 3​	997.5​	X
9th	leg-end7​	The Muscles from Russells​	996.5​	X
10th	christy87​	Langers on a mission​	982.5​	X
11th	jtw95​	Jack's Rejects​	979.5​	X
12th	vangagal​	Team Skytrain​	975.5​	X
13th	pauldyson1uk​	Billy Jack Racing​	974.5​	X
14th	tiber​	Cars Go Vroooom​	965.5​	X
15th	dargonk​	Dargon's crew​	899.5​	X
16th	f-red​	Buzzin' Hornets​	881.0​	X
17th	20solskjaer​	Sluggish Racing​	846.0​	X
18th	dpansheth​	Rock​	624.5​	X

 

[Cheimoon]

Was Lewis right about the money, yes I suspect he was, there was a race and a result !! so no money back for the fans who stood out in the rain all day and paid a shed load of money.
One thing that came really apparent was just how complicated the F1 rules are, not even the teams had a clue what was going on.
Spa at the end of August, what did they expect, at Spa it rains and rains a lot.

One thing I read is that F1 officials spent most of the time while the clock was counting down finding a way that they could call it a race. They then found an argument to stop the clock and give themselves a little more time - until they found this solution that allowed them to say they had honoured all contracts and could move on to the next race without losing money.

I doubt they liked it themselves though.

 

[Adam-Utd]

flat out through in similar weather… ahh…

 

[pauldyson1uk]

F1 stakeholders are set to review the events of the Belgian GP and address what could be changed with the rules in future.
Sunday's action at Spa-Francorchamps was effectively washed out and there were no competitive racing laps, but a result was still able to be called and half-points awarded after two full laps were completed behind the Safety Car following long rain delays.
It meant the finishing order of qualifying settled the race result with pole-sitter Max Verstappen taking the win, Williams' George Russell second and Lewis Hamilton third.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...dsr6wfDTcOkmfzCVyCtmlfmkwjD87F8ikmBgxklDPpMW4

 

[slyadams]

Let’s be honest if Hamilton won that “race” a good percentage of the fan base would be frothing at the mouth in outrage.

The decision will stand because it’s their own rules, they will obviously have to look at changing the rules to avoid this again.

This. Max fans will spew forth all manner of bile the next time something befalls him but forget he was literally awarded a race win here.

My best mate works at RBR and internally they know this was total b.s.

 

[Buster15]

I can’t blame Russell, it’s his first podium and he’s bound to be excited, it’s also a huge deal for Williams essentially cementing themselves ahead of Haas in the constructors which clearly means a lot to him.

I do feel the fact they decided to call this a race and have a result though is stupid. It should have been cancelled.

Agree with all of this.
I do accept that there has to be some rules. But what logical reasoning can there be for just 2 laps behind the safety car to count as a race.
Anyway. It is being looked into so we need to move on.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Agree with all of this.
I do accept that there has to be some rules. But what logical reasoning can there be for just 2 laps behind the safety car to count as a race.
Anyway. It is being looked into so we need to move on.

Yep, it is what it is.

We were all left disappointed and it sucks but there's not much we can do. With the weather getting more extreme I think they definitely need a structured plan B in place, as this is going to happen more often.

 

[Abizzz]

I'm not moving on from that farce. Feck sitting through another sunday for them to make up shit as they go and call two safety car laps an event. It's like players leaving after warm up and calling it a 0-0. Feck them.

 

[senorgregster]

The obvious solution is to force Pirelli or whoever to make better fecking tyres. Usual issue with formula 1.

The wet tyres are a joke not fit for any purpose. They should probably have considered it a part of the design brief for 2022 looking at the obsession with downforce and having to compensate with tyres that are too hard to do anything but aquaplane, but I have no idea if they did or not.

Super wets

 

[ChaddyP]

The obvious solution is to force Pirelli or whoever to make better fecking tyres. Usual issue with formula 1.

The wet tyres are a joke not fit for any purpose. They should probably have considered it a part of the design brief for 2022 looking at the obsession with downforce and having to compensate with tyres that are too hard to do anything but aquaplane, but I have no idea if they did or not.

visibility was the main issue yesterday. Drivers (all except Verstappen who was following a car with wheel arches) complained that they couldnt see even the rain lights of the other cars. You cant race like that imo, no matter the tyres.

 

[Gringo]

visibility was the main issue yesterday. Drivers (all except Verstappen who was following a car with wheel arches) complained that they couldnt see even the rain lights of the other cars. You cant race like that imo, no matter the tyres.

Not sure if feasible, but what about a virtual safety car so the cars can go quicker to shift some of the surface water. No overtaking allowed, the pack all spread out to a distance between each other where the spray isn't an issue. If Aquaplaning occurs then red flag.

 

[Pscholes18]

Logistics of rescheduling a race is too difficult and costly for the teams to put it at a different weekend and you can't postpone it to tomorrow because the Marshalls aren't available as they need to go back to work.

They couldn't move it between Italy and Russia?

 

[Pscholes18]

Are people suggesting race on Monday actually thinking? Surely the stewards are the least problem. All the networks have paid and scheduled a particular timeslot, it cannot be just reshuffled - maybe for some sports only networks it is not that much a hassle - but in general it is a problem. Also, all the people in the crowd that actually have day jobs/school, and can't be excused for a F1 race attendance.

Happens all the time here in the states.

 

[ChaddyP]

Happens all the time here in the states.

was listening to a couple experts its probably something that should be looked into for the future as a contingency but there was no avenue for it to be held monday. They would if they could that I don't doubt. The Martial issue would have been a huge issue. I dont know how Nascar and indy car do it but the f1 martials are always volunteers that have prior arrangements for Monday, bbc, sky channel 4 would all take a big hit with their scheduling and fans especially the Dutch fans would take a huge hit with travel or hotel expenses that they didnt plan for.

 

[ChaddyP]

Not sure if feasible, but what about a virtual safety car so the cars can go quicker to shift some of the surface water. No overtaking allowed, the pack all spread out to a distance between each other where the spray isn't an issue. If Aquaplaning occurs then red flag.

yeh but the rain wasnt stopping it was only coming down harder

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Judge has just ruled that the Dutch GP can go ahead. Bunch of lefty environmentalists were trying to stop it going ahead because of a permit technicality.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

The obvious solution is to force Pirelli or whoever to make better fecking tyres. Usual issue with formula 1.

The wet tyres are a joke not fit for any purpose. They should probably have considered it a part of the design brief for 2022 looking at the obsession with downforce and having to compensate with tyres that are too hard to do anything but aquaplane, but I have no idea if they did or not.

the heavy falling rain was the problem , 20 cars on the track would be each shifting a lot of water, the long track did not help, by the time they got back round the rain was making it just as wet, also visibility was a huge problem, I dont agree that the wets were the problem.

 

[Adam-Utd]

So it seems like Russell is getting the Mercedes seat.

Bottas and Nick De Vries to Alfa Romeo, Albon to Williams.