F1 2021 Season

oates said:
The video meeting on Thursday can only determine whether a review can take place, if so then it will be sent for the British Stewards to make a decision. I understand that for that first decision to be made new evidence must be produced. That could come from Verstappen who didn't get an opportunity due to going to hospital.

It's unusual but not unknown for teams to get the review, Red Bull's whinge seems to be that Hamilton was not punished sufficiently yet the penalty was handed out during the race so gaining the review must hinge on new evidence being produced.

Evidence could also come from the Mercedes car data, most significantly from later during the race to see the speed carried into and through Copse, because Red Bull griping that Hamilton carried too much speed into the corner (which to my mind might be odd as Verstappen certainly must have at least matched it), which might be new evidence but also needs to be relevant since Hamilton has already been found guilty and punished at the time.

Perhaps Red Bull want to claim that Hamilton's move was intended to crash into Verstappen but where do you find the evidence for that? Without fresh evidence anything else only reinforces the Steward's original decision at the time that Hamilton was more to blame - which as I've already said, he's been punished for.


Any new evidence from Mercedes could be a risk for Red Bull if it's decided that the blame was not predominantly Hamilton's and instead possibly 50/50.
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I hope they'll throw the case out and fine Horner and Red Bull for wasting time :lol:

Horner is acting like a twat and making me remember how much I used to hate Red Bull when Seb was dominating.
 
Its a real shame we'll never get to Alonso in a RB or Merc up against lewis hamilton or max 'better than fangio' verstappen.

Danny Ric recently said Alonso has the best racecraft on the grid. It would be an interesting experiement to see how a mature lewis and a young max would cope with Alonso. Personally i think in terms of qualifying and race points it would be tight between the drivers if he were in either team.
 
Frosty said:
Should be a breeze for Max 'better than Fangio' Verstappen.

In all honesty I am looking forward to the race. Lewis's racecraft does so much to close the gap on the RB in my opinion. If he can get to the first corner first we could see an almighty fight as Max tries to pass him.
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:lol:

The Red Bull car is very suited to the Hungary track. I'll be surprised if they don't get pole and win. Would be very entertaining to see a faster Red Bull behind the Mercedes inthis tight track for another Max and Lewis battle though.
 
elmo said:
I hope they'll throw the case out and fine Horner and Red Bull for wasting time :lol:

Horner is acting like a twat and making me remember how much I used to hate Red Bull when Seb was dominating.
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100% this.

I used to quite like Webber but Horner had his golden boy then too.
 
elmo said:
I hope they'll throw the case out and fine Horner and Red Bull for wasting time :lol:

Horner is acting like a twat and making me remember how much I used to hate Red Bull when Seb was dominating.
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Couldn't agree more, he's unbearable.
 
and so it should be .
OFFICIAL: Red Bull's request to review the incident at Silverstone is dismissed by the FIA stewards






F1 stewards dismiss Red Bull's petition to review Lewis Hamilton's British Grand Prix penalty on grounds that there was no "significant and relevant new element"
 
https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/29...def5a43ca729a84f0bf0498436ed0#comment-4677830

The stewards have rejected Red Bull’s request for them to review their decision on the collision between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton in the British Grand Prix.

Red Bull asked the stewards to reconsider their verdict which handed Hamilton a 10-second time penalty for the collision which put Verstappen out of the race. The team believe the sanction was too lenient, as Hamilton was able to continue and claim victory, and felt a further penalty was deserved.


Under F1’s rules, a review may take place if the stewards discover new information relevant to an incident which was not available to them at the time. But after considering a submission made by Red Bull the stewards denied their request.

Red Bull is understood to have presented several pieces of evidence to the stewards which they claim proved Hamilton entered Copse corner at a trajectory and speed which made the collision unavoidable.

The team used Hamilton’s overtaking move on Charles Leclerc at the same corner later in the race to demonstrate the Mercedes driver should have slowed down more for the corner and taken a tighter line in order to avoid contact.

To support their claim, Red Bull performed real-world and simulator analyses on the data. Reserve driver Alexander Albon recreated the lines taken by the drivers through the corners while taking part in a tyre test at Silverstone in the week after the race. Sergio Perez performed a similar test in the team’s simulator.

Red Bull maintain Verstappen left sufficient room for Hamilton on the inside of Copse, and claim their analysis showed the Mercedes should have braked considerably earlier than he did to make it around the corner without hitting their car.

After considering the information received from Red Bull, the stewards ruled it could not be considered new evidence as it was “created for the purposes of submissions to support the petition for review” and “created based on evidence that was available to the competitor at the time of the decision” in the form of GPS data from the cars.

The stewards noted that evidence submitted in support of a request for review must be “‘discovered’ (as opposed to created)”.
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I can't believe the resources they've reportedly put into trying to make a case, wasting testing time, simulator time and their drivers time in an effort to get an additional punishment for Lewis. Mercedes must be rubbing their hands with how this has got under their skin, seems like they've forgotten they're still ahead and the championship is only half over.
 
RB go to the FIA and say that they want to appeal Hamilton's penalty from Silverstone. The FIA say okay if you can bring up new evidence. So where is the new evidence? So where is the new evidence? So where is the new evidence?
Okay, saying that you will have to spend money to rebuild your car is not new evidence.
 
NWRed said:
https://www.racefans.net/2021/07/29...def5a43ca729a84f0bf0498436ed0#comment-4677830



I can't believe the resources they've reportedly put into trying to make a case, wasting testing time, simulator time and their drivers time in an effort to get an additional punishment for Lewis. Mercedes must be rubbing their hands with how this has got under their skin, seems like they've forgotten they're still ahead and the championship is only half over.
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Absolute joke. It was obvious from the start that this was a racing incident and 10 seconds was a harsh but fair penalty.

Red Bull are such a bunch of cnuts.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Fair play. Vettel does seem quite a thoughtful guy.
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I would love them to all wear rainbow helmets, but the FIA are probably even less likely to allow that than UEFA. Vettel has come across really well in the last few years, coming from someone who didn’t really like him that much.
 
Red Bull legitimately embarrassing themselves to prove….something.

Albon recreating lines on a test day, bore off.

Can’t wait for Max to win this weekend and claim some sort of moral victory.
 
feck you Red Bull you petty twats. Hope Mercedes batter them in Hungary they are such unlikeable whiney bellends.
 
Hopefully some closure now, feels like everyone knew it would be a penalty regardless of the fault and that Hamilton would still win and nothing would change that.

I still hope Red Bull win for the past few years of dominance by Merc and sets us up for next season with new rules and multiple champs.

Also Merc should take the focus away and announce Russell for next year.
 
LoneStar said:
This is media being twats again. Max seemed composed in that whole interview. He was directly asked that question. If I were am F1 driver, I would refuse to talk to Sky
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Sorry but Max tweeted after the race, he could've easily retracted it and said he overreacted in the heat of the moment, instead he doubles down with his bullshit response.

This is not a case of the media being twats, I mean they are twats, but not in this instance. :lol:
 
Jippy said:
That's pretty odd. It doesn't clarify what Albon's recreation of Lewis's lap is meant to prove though.
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probably that he'd never be able to make the apex and will naturally drift out onto the racing line.

I posted a video on the previous page that was a 3d reconstruction that was the same sort of thing.

Essentially they're trying to say Hamilton would have never made the corner without crashing I suppose. clearly though they think that's a load of rubbish and don't want to open a can of worms.

Red Bull have really gone down in my opinion over this incident.
 
Are there any more straws for Horner to clutch yet? It's time they all got their heads down and went racing again.
 
Adam-Utd said:
probably that he'd never be able to make the apex and will naturally drift out onto the racing line.

I posted a video on the previous page that was a 3d reconstruction that was the same sort of thing.

Essentially they're trying to say Hamilton would have never made the corner without crashing I suppose. clearly though they think that's a load of rubbish and don't want to open a can of worms.

Red Bull have really gone down in my opinion over this incident.
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Even if he was off the racing line to the extent RB were presumably arguing, that surely wouldn't alter the fact it was largely a racing incident, even if Lewis was deemed to bear the brunt of the blame.
It still baffles me nearly two weeks on that some people are still convinced that amid the full pelt hard driving between the pair, Lewis was somehow able to pinpoint the exact angle and positioning of his wheel to hit Max and send him off while not damaging his own car.
Maybe on the Playstation on no damage mode.
 
Jippy said:
Even if he was off the racing line to the extent RB were presumably arguing, that surely wouldn't alter the fact it was largely a racing incident, even if Lewis was deemed to bear the brunt of the blame.
It still baffles me nearly two weeks on that some people are still convinced that amid the full pelt hard driving between the pair, Lewis was somehow able to pinpoint the exact angle and positioning of his wheel to hit Max and send him off while not damaging his own car.
Maybe on the Playstation on no damage mode.
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:lol:

Lewis some sort of evil genius that can position his wheels (that he can' barely even see because of the Halo) to smash Max's wheel at the perfect time while driving at 180mph 1 metre away from a concrete wall.

Red bull and the Max fanboys really have lost the plot i'm afraid.

If Max wasn't so interested in squeezing Hamilton into the wall he could have stayed a lot wider and there wouldn't have been any contact. He's partially to blame as much as Hamilton is.

Anyway, roll on Hungary!
 
Fair play, common sense prevails.


Get on with the racing.
 
LoneStar said:
This is media being twats again. Max seemed composed in that whole interview. He was directly asked that question. If I were am F1 driver, I would refuse to talk to Sky
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The media didn't craft his "it's not how I was raised" response. He should have just moved on rather than continuing to whinge at the first opportunity to do so.
 
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