F1 2021 Season

rpitroda said:
It’s that absurdity which puts me off debating with him. Because In the last god knows how many pages, you won’t find one reply from him where he will claim actually his point is proven wrong.
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Not only that, he's continously contradicting himself and backtracking when called out. He's effectively a religious zealot - being rational or accurate doesn't matter.

The worst thing is, there are a couple of others in the thread who are just as blinded by their hated of Hamilton that they come out with similar rubbish.
 
Frosty said:
Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton has launched a charitable foundation and pledged £20m to "support, champion and empower young people from under-represented groups in the UK".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/57986018

Top bloke.
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Yeah this was part of the controversy this morning. Lewis and Merc both pushed this and 3 hours later RB did it's thing. Not the best look.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Red Bull are making themselves look very silly right now. All this distraction is going to make it worse for Verstappen IMO, they could end up bottling this title.
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Horner is a shout for the sixth spice girl, salty spice.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Verstappen has not defied the odds since 2015. Now he has the faster car he is ahead in the championship. Again, barely defying the odds. Yet you claim he is better than a 7 time World Champion who has defied the odds multiple times in his long career.

It is definitely laughable.
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Verstappen finished 3rd in the championship in 2019 with a car that was inferior to Ferrari. That’s defying the odds a lot more than anything Hamilton did from 2009-2013.

The reason why I emphasize 2009-2013 is because that’s the only period in Hamilton’s career where he had a seriously inferior car (like Verstappen 2016-2020).

Verstappen 2019 > anything Hamilton has done in a full season with a clearly inferior car
 
Infordin said:
Verstappen finished 3rd in the championship in 2019 with a car that was inferior to Ferrari. That’s defying the odds a lot more than anything Hamilton did from 2009-2013.

The reason why I emphasize 2009-2013 is because that’s the only period in Hamilton’s career where he had a seriously inferior car (like Verstappen 2016-2020).

Verstappen 2019 > anything Hamilton has done in a full season with a clearly inferior car
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That 2009 McLaren might one of F1 worst cars. Fact Lewis got it to 5th in the standings was a miracle he put in countless amazing drives just to get that thing in to the points consistently.
 
Rooney1987 said:
Yeah this was part of the controversy this morning. Lewis and Merc both pushed this and 3 hours later RB did it's thing. Not the best look.
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Red Bull filed their protest last week, it went official yesterday, so nothing to see here.
 
Rooney1987 said:
That 2009 McLaren might one of F1 worst cars. Fact Lewis got it to 5th in the standings was a miracle he put in countless amazing drives just to get that thing in to the points consistently.
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You mean the same car that Kovalainen scored put on the front row in Valencia?

T’was a good car after the mid-season upgrade.
 
Infordin said:
You mean the same car that Kovalainen scored put on the front row in Valencia?

T’was a good car after the mid-season upgrade.
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The same Kovalainen who didn't get a single podium in the same car, even in the second half of the season. The upgrades made Mclaren compete to a certain level, it was still inferior to RB and Brawn. First half was all time McLaren bad. Brawn and RB still 14 wins over all races. Fact Lewis got 5th when his team mate was nowhere to be seen, a couple of poles and wins against 2 dominant cars in easily comparable to Max in 2019.
 
Rooney1987 said:
The same Kovalainen who didn't get a single podium in the same car, even in the second half of the season. The upgrades made Mclaren compete to a certain level, it was still inferior to RB and Brawn. First half was all time McLaren bad. Brawn and RB still 14 wins over all races. Fact Lewis got 5th when his team mate was nowhere to be seen, a couple of poles and wins against 2 dominant cars in easily comparable to Max in 2019.
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Albon and Gasly didn’t get a single podium in 2019 either while Verstappen won 3 races and 9 podiums. Verstappen ended the season 3rd, ahead of two drivers (Leclerc and Vettel) who had a stronger car overall.

Anyway, neither of those seasons even comes close to Senna 1993 or Schumacher 1997.
 
Infordin said:
Albon and Gasly didn’t get a single podium in 2019 either while Verstappen won 3 races and 9 podiums. Verstappen ended the season 3rd, ahead of two drivers (Leclerc and Vettel) who had a stronger car overall.

Anyway, neither of those seasons even comes close to Senna 1993 or Schumacher 1997.
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That was more due to his team mates being completely shite and the car setup to suit Verstappen perfectly.

Perez has shown that with more experience it's possible to do a better job, so i'd say that weights more against your point.
 
This thread has managed to get really tedious. We really need the next race to arrive quickly so we can move on. Though I would really laugh if they both crashed out at the next race. Horner really would throw all the toys from his pram.
 
Dargonk said:
This thread has managed to get really tedious. We really need the next race to arrive quickly so we can move on. Though I would really laugh if they both crashed out at the next race. Horner really would throw all the toys from his pram.
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What makes you think it will change, we have one poster on here who dismisses anything one driver does and thinks another driver is god and can do no wrong,
Dismisses the 7 times WC as overrated, puts Max in the same class as Senna and Sch :lol:
 
pauldyson1uk said:
What makes you think it will change, we have one poster on here who dismisses anything one driver does and thinks another driver is god and can do no wrong,
Dismisses the 7 times WC as overrated, puts Max in the same class as Senna and Sch :lol:
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True. Not much hope then :lol:
 
Dargonk said:
This thread has managed to get really tedious. We really need the next race to arrive quickly so we can move on. Though I would really laugh if they both crashed out at the next race. Horner really would throw all the toys from his pram.
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As a McLaren fan, this would suit me perfectly :lol:
 
LoneStar said:
I really hope McLaren and Ferrari get their shit together for 2022. A four way WDC/WCC would be immense, especially considering the driver lineup for each team.
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It would be awesome. I know some on here have been optimistic that we’ll have a close battle between teams after the rule change but I have the fear that one team pulls clear of everyone, which happens more often than not after a major rule change.

Hopefully not though!
 
To settle the racing incident debate once and for all, somebody should show this to Horner.

 
Wicked_Badger said:
It would be awesome. I know some on here have been optimistic that we’ll have a close battle between teams after the rule change but I have the fear that one team pulls clear of everyone, which happens more often than not after a major rule change.

Hopefully not though!
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That's my worry as well: a few close races while teams are still figuring things out - and then the usual processions once the new hierarchy had been established.

We'll see I guess. :)
 
Adam-Utd said:
That was more due to his team mates being completely shite and the car setup to suit Verstappen perfectly.
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Gasly is far from shite, he’s a better driver than Kovalainen was, and the idea that the car is build around Verstappen is a myth.

Perez has shown that with more experience it's possible to do a better job, so i'd say that weights more against your point.
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Or maybe that’s just because the 2021 Red Bull is a better car than the 2019 one?

This argument is so bad. That’s like saying that Button winning races in 2010 shows that the 2009 McLaren wasn’t actually that bad of a car.
 
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pauldyson1uk said:
Dismisses the 7 times WC as overrated, puts Max in the same class as Senna and Sch :lol:
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Stats in F1 are meaningless anyway because 90% of stats are decided by the car.

Vettel is a 4 time WDC but Leclerc is still better than him.

Same energy.
 
Infordin said:
Stats in F1 are meaningless anyway because 90% of stats are decided by the car.

Vettel is a 4 time WDC but Leclerc is still better than him.

Same energy.
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But would anyone sane argue that Leclerc is better than Vettel was when he won those 4 WDC? Lewis is the reigning champion.
 
Yesterday I learned that a young driver who's won nothing is better than a 7 times world champion who dominated the sport and is equal to 2 legends. Today I've learned that a different young driver who's won and proved nothing is a better driver than a 4 times world champion who dominated the sport.
 
Balljy said:
Yesterday I learned that a young driver who's won nothing is better than a 7 times world champion who dominated the sport and is equal to 2 legends. Today I've learned that a different young driver who's won and proved nothing is a better driver than a 4 times world champion who dominated the sport.
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I think we have all learnt the same :lol:
 
OK the RB appeal is heard tomorrow.
What do we think will happen ?
I think they will uphold the penalty, say it was right.
If they change it, it will send out the wrong message, any team will think that they can appeal and get a penalty changed.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
OK the RB appeal is heard tomorrow.
What do we think will happen ?
I think they will uphold the penalty, say it was right.
If they change it, it will send out the wrong message, any team will think that they can appeal and get a penalty changed.
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It should be upheld and will be. Like you said, it would set a bad precedent. The season would only officially end a few weeks after the last GP and after all the appeals are heard.
 
I've a feeling that if they change anything it would include a penalty for Verstappen, however they won't like the Stewards decision questioned, they'll confirm it. There'll be anarchy if Red Bull get their way.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
OK the RB appeal is heard tomorrow.
What do we think will happen ?
I think they will uphold the penalty, say it was right.
If they change it, it will send out the wrong message, any team will think that they can appeal and get a penalty changed.
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Nothing will change. Everyone with any sense know it was a racing incident.

I wonder if the review will cover Max's constant weaving to defend, which makes these type of dangerous incidents more likely...
 
RB will run Maxs engine from Silverstone in FP1. It was sent to Homda for checks and apparently wasnt badly damaged. So no parts needed swapping out that would cause any penalty points. FP1 shake down to see if any gremlins occur. Sensible to run it in Hungary (potentially) for the entire weekend and save a new engine for a race when the extra power boost of a new unit will benefit you.

Andrew Shovlin has already said not to expect Silverstone like performance from Mercedes at Hungary, which i expected. The RB is mighty through the corners low / medium / high with its rake design and Mercedes can't match it this season.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
OK the RB appeal is heard tomorrow.
What do we think will happen ?
I think they will uphold the penalty, say it was right.
If they change it, it will send out the wrong message, any team will think that they can appeal and get a penalty changed.
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I'd be extremely surprised if the ruling was changed.

As for the bolded part, every team already knows they can appeal and (maybe) get a penalty changed, it's what this whole appeal process is there for. If the FIA didn't want any of that then the rule would say that all decisions on race day are final and all teams have to shut up and accept them.
 
The video meeting on Thursday can only determine whether a review can take place, if so then it will be sent for the British Stewards to make a decision. I understand that for that first decision to be made new evidence must be produced. That could come from Verstappen who didn't get an opportunity due to going to hospital.

It's unusual but not unknown for teams to get the review, Red Bull's whinge seems to be that Hamilton was not punished sufficiently yet the penalty was handed out during the race so gaining the review must hinge on new evidence being produced.

Evidence could also come from the Mercedes car data, most significantly from later during the race to see the speed carried into and through Copse, because Red Bull griping that Hamilton carried too much speed into the corner (which to my mind might be odd as Verstappen certainly must have at least matched it), which might be new evidence but also needs to be relevant since Hamilton has already been found guilty and punished at the time.

Perhaps Red Bull want to claim that Hamilton's move was intended to crash into Verstappen but where do you find the evidence for that? Without fresh evidence anything else only reinforces the Steward's original decision at the time that Hamilton was more to blame - which as I've already said, he's been punished for.


Any new evidence from Mercedes could be a risk for Red Bull if it's decided that the blame was not predominantly Hamilton's and instead possibly 50/50.
 
dinostar77 said:
RB will run Maxs engine from Silverstone in FP1. It was sent to Homda for checks and apparently wasnt badly damaged. So no parts needed swapping out that would cause any penalty points. FP1 shake down to see if any gremlins occur. Sensible to run it in Hungary (potentially) for the entire weekend and save a new engine for a race when the extra power boost of a new unit will benefit you.

Andrew Shovlin has already said not to expect Silverstone like performance from Mercedes at Hungary, which i expected. The RB is mighty through the corners low / medium / high with its rake design and Mercedes can't match it this season.
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Should be a breeze for Max 'better than Fangio' Verstappen.

In all honesty I am looking forward to the race. Lewis's racecraft does so much to close the gap on the RB in my opinion. If he can get to the first corner first we could see an almighty fight as Max tries to pass him.
 
At times like this I long for the insight of SantiMesutSanchez or whatever his name was. Or perhaps he'd have nothing to say since Ferrari weren't involved. :lol:
 
stu_1992 said:
At times like this I long for the insight of SantiMesutSanchez or whatever his name was. Or perhaps he'd have nothing to say since Ferrari weren't involved. :lol:
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He would be angry that both drivers were not punished and Ferrari not given a 10 second headstart for the rest of the season.
 
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