Horner has lost the plot. Absolutely sad and desperate behaviour.
F1 2021 Season
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The Stewards didn't penalise Verstappen at the time.
I think they should review his multiple changes of direction.
It's possible they viewed a DNF as all the penalty he needed but if they are going to get a second bite at the cherry...
Absolutely brilliant. I wish somebody would show this to Horner.
Red Bull are making themselves look very silly right now. All this distraction is going to make it worse for Verstappen IMO, they could end up bottling this title.
He won’t have to wait that long. Lewis won’t retire until 2023 at the earliest and Max is already a better driver than him now.
There is a possibility that the stewards will go more lenient after a review. It's definitely not 100% on Hamilton so I don't think they would even remotely consider a DQ.
How funny would it be if it backfires. This is just bizarre from Red Bull now though - it's almost feeling like a Kevin Keegan moment.
How funny would it be if it backfires. This is just bizarre from Red Bull now though - it's almost feeling like a Kevin Keegan moment.
I don’t hate Lewis. I just find him an overrated driver; but just because I find him overrated doesn’t mean that I hate or even dislike him.
Hamilton benefited massively from being in the right place at the right time in the least competitive era of Formula 1 history.
Senna, Schumacher and Verstappen are better in my view.
There's definitely an odd one out in those 3 drivers. Can't quite place it though.
I'll just leave this here
"You shouldn't really be able to finish ahead of him if you took him out of the race." - Hamilton 2018
Absolutely perfect. Well done.
What have you seen to make you think this is true?
Most likely absolute bias.
As you say, the most overrated driver to win SEVEN world championships.
And as for being in the right place at the right time, who was it who decided to move from McLaren to Mercedes.
He won’t look out of place when he’s 36.
Jenson Button called him the fastest driver ever back in 2019:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/verstappen-is-the-fastest-driver-ever-in-f1/
Fernando Alonso called him the best driver on the grid on numerous occasions:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/alonso-verstappen-is-the-best-driver-in-f1/
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/8404...-the-moment-for-me-he-is-the-best-driver.html
You can laugh at a 23 year old for not having a world title yet when he’s never had an opportunity until this season, but don’t worry, in a decade from now the Verstappen haters will look very stupid.
You do realize that it’s perfectly possible for someone who is great to still be overrated right?
You can be amazing, which Hamilton is, and still be overrated because the fans think you are better than you actually are.
Everything that’s happened this season.
It's not about hating. When you can see that you'll be making progress.You can laugh at a 23 year old for not having a world title yet when he’s never had an opportunity until this season, but don’t worry, in a decade from now the Verstappen haters will look very stupid.
He won’t look out of place when he’s 36.
Jenson Button called him the fastest driver ever back in 2019:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/verstappen-is-the-fastest-driver-ever-in-f1/
Fernando Alonso called him the best driver on the grid on numerous occasions:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/alonso-verstappen-is-the-best-driver-in-f1/
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/8404...-the-moment-for-me-he-is-the-best-driver.html
You can laugh at a 23 year old for not having a world title yet when he’s never had an opportunity until this season, but don’t worry, in a decade from now the Verstappen haters will look very stupid.
I think he has a chance to become an all-time great and is a huge talent. I don't think anyone's denying that and no-ones "hating" Verstappen at all?
It's ludicrous to say he's a great now though as it would have been when Prost, Senna, Hamllton, Lauda were young and hadn't rounded out their talent and proved it year after year.
It'll be interesting to see how fast Mercedes are during the weekend. At Silverstone it felt like they had the faster car all the way through qualifying really. Obviously with how the race went it's hard to tell for sure but it could be the updates they introduced nudged them ahead of Red Bull once again.
Yeah, I agree. There was a definite improvement from Mercedes in the last race after looking like they had dropped a decent amount behind for 3 races. It'll be interesting how that transpires on different tracks now.
With a bit of luck, it'll be ultra close and we'll have some great racing for the next few weeks.
I'll just leave this here
"You shouldn't really be able to finish ahead of him if you took him out of the race." - Hamilton 2018
That’s an opinion from 3 years ago and as much I don’t think he’s wrong there is nothing in the rule book that states it. Hamilton is hardly going to back off because Max retired is he? And that incident was a clear driver error.
Horner’s interview is from an almost carbon copy incident last season but Horner always has bent the narrative to suit his team.
Aha. So you have just stated that it is down to what people think.
You are speaking on behalf of 'the fans' then. All of them?
This is complete nonsense.
Mercedes haven't been quicker anywhere, Red Bull have clearly the better package.
You're getting laughed at because you're basing your argument on something objectively false. They simply aren't in the same car, the Red Bull is faster, and you know it!
By all means be a fan of Max, by all means think he's a better driver (if a little silly given their respective level of success), but pretending the cars are equal to justify it? Well that mainly shows that you don't actually believe what you're saying, as if you did you wouldn't need to downplay the advantages of the Red Bull.
Is that your special coping technique?
Perhaps you should tell that to Perez, who has been outperformed by Bottas in every measurable category this season (points, race finishes, qualifying).
Of course all the wins and poles Mercedes have this season must be because of Hamilton’s special driving, his driving is so special that Bottas is way closer to him than Perez is to Verstappen.
Are you serious? You are arguing until you're blue in the face with everyone on here, most of which are "50-50, probably racing incident, maybe slightly more Lewis' fault if you had to chose", then you post your own stats that says the same thing,
You complain people don't "make coherent arguments" but you completely ignore any post that presents facts or opinions you can't refute then just re-state your arguments, most of which are factually wrong (e.g. if Max had stayed ahead he would have won because the RB is better, despite Max winning the sprint race, then in a more recent post your chalk Britain up as a track there the Merc was faster to backup another argument that Max must be better because the machinery is very equal).
Apart from the fact that Lance left zero space on the apex while Max left plenty, yeah sure.
Left plenty, sure.
Is that your special coping technique?
Perhaps you should tell that to Perez, who has been outperformed by Bottas in every measurable category this season (points, race finishes, qualifying).
Of course all the wins and poles Mercedes have this season must be because of Hamilton’s special driving, his driving is so special that Bottas is way closer to him than Perez is to Verstappen.
Dripping with irony, given you have to pretend the Red Bull is slower than it is. Besides, I'm a Lando fan.
If you could drop your childish hatred of Lewis for a second, you might be able to come to the actual reason it's close - a couple of Max DNFs, one great strategy call, and Perez having horrible luck.
Genuinely dude you're embarrassing yourself in this thread with your refusal to accept reality about the cars. If you said "the Red Bull is faster and Max is showing his class at the head of the field" then it would show some faith in his abilities.
Pretending its even just shows you don't have an argument to back up your "Max is the better driver" statement that's based in reality, hence having to make stuff up.
By the same logic, you can assume the Red Bull is quicker, since Verstappen has outperformed Hamilton this season. But since your frontloaded into you argument that Verstappen is the better driver, you're ignoring that.
You know, it wouldn't hurt to just say that both are good and there isn't enough evidence to suggest who's better at this particular point in time.
It looked mostly like they've sacrificed tyre maintenance for more one lap speed. The RB was still able to pull away, and realistically its still Max's title to lose, but at least they aren't miles behind like they were before Silverstone.
It clearly isn't a carbon copy but tbh I have no interest in debating this any further. Let's just await the FIA's verdict and move on. I'm sure they'll leave it as is.
The voice of reason. But I fear he won't listen.
Wait, aren’t you the same guy who said that Mercedes was not quicker than Red Bull in Spain and Portugal, right?
Perhaps you should look in the mirror first
The voice of reason. But I fear he won't listen.
Of course not, but you have to understand why.
He wants Max to be better, but doesn't actually believe it, otherwise he'd base the opinion on reality.
Still, not much point having a serious conversation who lists him among the all time greats Senna and Schumacher when he's won nothing so far.
Don’t listen to me. Listen to Jenson Button, who called him the fastest driver ever, or Fernando Alonso who called him better than Hamilton, Martin Brundle, who called him one of the greatest of all time.
I don’t expect you to accept it, but it’s certainly not an unpopular opinion.
And my belief that Max >>> Lewis is based on the fact that I rate Perez and Bottas on the same level.
Wait, aren’t you the same guy who said that Mercedes was not quicker than Red Bull in Spain and Portugal, right?
Perhaps you should look in the mirror first
Dude you put Max in your list of the 3 greatest drivers ever, alongside Senna and Schumacher. You're in no position to call others biased.
Besides, Merc winning Portugal was more about tyre management than pace, and Spain was thanks to a great tactical call (and featured an uncharacteristically slow pit stop for Max).
As I said in another post, you want Max to be the better driver, hence pretending the cars are even. If you actually believed it, you wouldn't need to.
You needn't worry too much, Max is nailed on to win the championship this year, so you'll have something grounded in reality to shout about.
Yet doesn't rate Hamilton...