Yeah they need to let it go, they have a championship to win. Yeah I think Lewis was at fault, but ffs move on Red Bull, Mercedes has
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Totally understand and expect that. But Red Bull have made personal attacks, even in days following the race.
I could be wrong. But threatening legal action for a stewards decision is a first surely?
True, even in the corners leading up to the crash, Weaving around 3 or more times when someone is going to overtake you is dangerous. He has done it for years.
Unsure what the specific rule is on this? But it is certainly dangerous and unsportsmanlike conduct.
They changed the rule in 2017. Funny how they referred to it as the "Max Verstappen rule". Makes it pretty clear what he is doing.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...ring-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/
You are allowed to move across once aren't you or has that changed?
Certainly was that.
Edit. 2021 article.
https://www.hotcars.com/15-rules-every-formula-one-driver-has-to-follow/
You can’t aggressively block a driver that’s trying to pass you; it is rather against the rules. You can block to the inside, and be fairly aggressive, but weaving and similar maneuvers are out of the question.
The issue is Horner is making a huge deal out of this, as soon as Perez makes a mistake or Verstappen takes out Hamilton Mercedes are going to come back twice as hard. Where does it end?
I understood why he was angry at the time but to carry it on after the dust has settled shows he's rattled.
I understood why he was angry at the time but to carry it on after the dust has settled shows he's rattled.
I'm talking about the pictures I posted where Max did not leave space at Imola and Spain in response to your assertions that Max's moves there were fine. You chose to ignore those completely.
So I guess that the overhead shot I posted, where Max clearly leaves space for Lewis down the inside, must have been photoshopped eh?
Or how about the FIA’s official verdict, where four drivers studied the incident and came to the conclusion that Max did in fact leave space down the inside?
Hilarious
Oh, and Rosberg says racing incident.
I wonder if everyone will forget this topic come Hungary or if this tedious debate is going to continue all season. Imagine if Hamilton wins the WDC by a few points. Infordin will be back here with 700 posts about how Hamilton is the devil and how Max can do no wrong and reigniting the debate from Silverstone.
This whataboutism is irrelevant because every incident is judged by itself.
Verstappen’s moves in Inola and Spain were perfectly valid because he was level or ahead on corner exit, and in F1 you are allowed to push the outside driver off in that scenario, although it’s frowned upon.
Lewis Hamilton himself is an expert in this type of dirty driving, especially when he was racing Rosberg. Look at the start here:
I don’t particularly care what Rosberg or anyone else says. Plenty of people have solely blamed Lewis (Ricciardo, Button, Webber, DC) and I don’t find solace in people agreeing with me because I don’t think that appeal to authority is a valid argument.
That would be glorious
.I know that would be a fantasy of yours, but sadly it’s not going to happen.
Lewis Hamilton is not capable of beating Max Verstappen in equal machinery. Unless he plans on taking him out every race, Max will eventually win the title this season. He’s just a better driver than his rival.
I hope you’re still around here at the end of the season
If there’s anything this season has taught me, it’s that Verstappen is a vastly superior driver to Hamilton. I already knew he was better in 2020, but the gap between them is bigger than I ever imagined.
Someone help me get into F1, I want to be part of this passion dammit
I hope you’re still around here at the end of the season
If there’s anything this season has taught me, it’s that Verstappen is a vastly superior driver to Hamilton. I already knew he was better in 2020, but the gap between them is bigger than I ever imagined.
Aren’t you Dutch? This should be easy.Someone help me get into F1, I want to be part of this passion dammit
Max Emilian Verstappen is the hero of the story and Lewis Hamilton the cheat is Dick Dastardly.
Dick Dastardly punted off the Great Dutch Hope in the last race. That said, our Dutch Hero still leads the championship while the British cheat continues to try every trick in the book to stop him.
This is what an unbiased forum thinks about the Hamilton vs Verstappen incident:
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/s...e-ban-for-sending-Verstappen-to-the-hospital?
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/s...e-ban-for-sending-Verstappen-to-the-hospital?
It should be easy! The proven champion, my countryman as the young up and comer trying to take him on.
Thing is, I don't like Max, he's a bit of a cnut
And Hamilton is just, woohoo you had the best car for 8 years and no one could challenge you. The whole premise just doesn't work for me. Everyone should drive the same car.
unbiased
time this was given rest a now, you have given your opinions enough is enough !
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Seen it all now, this thread is some sort of F1 mental asylum.
Roll on next weekend so the circus can continue
Roll on next weekend so the circus can continue
Yes indeed.
Some very knowledgeable posts. But some bordering on the juvenile.
These are 2 top drivers racing for 2 top teams. Neither want to back off which is completely unacceptable.
Contact is almost inevitable. Racing is racing. All so easy to be wise after the event.
Let's just move on eh.
Of course Horner is rattled. Max now needs to win 5 straight races to make up for the 32 points he lost, and Red Bull has to fork up 2$ million of their cap money to repair the car instead of using it for upgrades. And potential penalties for engine or gearbox etc, which we dont know yet.
In a split second all that Red Bull and Verstappen had gained during 10 races were nullified by a clumsy mistake by Hamilton, which he was richly rewarded for. Not even counting for the psychological impact that massive shunt might have on Max going forward. All in all that was probably the most defining moment of a championship since Vettel ran off by himself in the rain..
Max were running away with the championship and now its back to square one. Its human nature for Horner to be rattled. What Horner should be focusing on though is changing the silly red flag rule that allowed Lewis free repairs instead of having to start from last which would have been the case had it not been red flagged. In any respectable sport you would not be able to create a red flag by an incident you were deemed responsible for and then benefit greatly from it. It makes F1 look like a complete laughing stock. Its not Hamiltons fault that the rules are seriously flawed, he was just incredible lucky. If this incident caused the FIA to change the rules, then it would have been for good, but sadly it will continue to be a lottery.
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I think most teams do this, and bitch and complain about any potential 'advantages' that their rivals might have. There is no downside and potential upside. In a sport where milliseconds matter, it isn't surprising. Just don't take it public.
It would be a bit cramped.It should be easy! The proven champion, my countryman as the young up and comer trying to take him on.
Thing is, I don't like Max, he's a bit of a cnut
And Hamilton is just, woohoo you had the best car for 8 years and no one could challenge you. The whole premise just doesn't work for me. Everyone should drive the same car.
I can’t help being dragged back in but it max shouldn’t have closed the door so aggressively if all this bad was to come of it, he showed his inexperience now the team has to deal with it.
Verstappen can not see into the future, and he does not have a dominant car as Lewis has had for the past 7 years. Giving up the position would have cost 14 points in the standings. Its tight in the standings, with so many races left, Max can not start to yield position to Hamilton already.
How the heck does Max shows his inexperience when Lewis gets penalized for the incident? Do you think Max should expect a 7 time WDC do make clumsy mistakes such as this one? I for sure did not. It ended up badly for Max because he was unlucky and the race was red flagged, no red flag and Lewis get zero points. A proper drive through penalty to be served within 3 laps of re-start and Lewis barely gets into the points.
If Verstappen could foresee all of this above, he would have waved Lewis pass, but thats not how it works. If he had a car that was 1 second per lap quicker like the Merc has been, he could have afford the luxury of letting Lewis pass. You can not compare Lewis playing it smart during his dominance with Merc as they had such a dominant car. The current championship is entirely different.
If anything Lewis showed stupid desperation and lack of judgement with his move, had he been penalized like he deserved this would be a non story as neither Lewis or Max would have gotten any points from Britain. I have no idea why Hamilton fans keep deflecting the blame from Lewis, its pretty annoying at this point.
Just be happy you got 32 freebie lucky points, that should not be so hard as it probably was the theft of the century of F1 (albeit not done on purpose)
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@Lightbringer
are you Horner in disguise? the fanboy act is getting tiring now. Max isn’t an innocent angel that made no mistakes, this is motor racing and things happen.
Hopefully in the future he will realise consistency is what wins championships, not trying to claim the lead at every corner.
RB were obviously trying to shit on Merc + Hamilton at his home GP in particular as a moral victory, that’s why he’s so upset more than usual.
are you Horner in disguise? the fanboy act is getting tiring now. Max isn’t an innocent angel that made no mistakes, this is motor racing and things happen.
Hopefully in the future he will realise consistency is what wins championships, not trying to claim the lead at every corner.
RB were obviously trying to shit on Merc + Hamilton at his home GP in particular as a moral victory, that’s why he’s so upset more than usual.
The only bit I agree with !!!
But this is getting boring now !
Me? I’m not even a fan of Lewis.
from what I see max was erratic and doing anything possible not to lose his position, expecting other drivers to always back out. This time it didn’t go for him and he’ll learn from it.
The F1 needed this. The entertainment level has gone up a notch, I wouldn't be surprised if the next race gets higher viewership.
I agree and F1 will be better for it.
Ive always like Horner but presently he's making it very difficult to like him anymore. His constant moaning could cause a problem for both drivers end up falling out with each other. Never have I read a team stating it cost ex amount (( 1.3 million ) to repair a car.
The animosity Horner causing is certainly going to spice next weeks Hungarian GP up. If Hammy comes away with a good result he could well bring the championship back to life considering it's a track where Red Bull nearly always have to he edge.
You woke up yet.
My bad, should of mentioned with the changes this year think Red Bull will have the edge. Obviously hope I'm wrong Paul.
with the changes this year I agree, RB have the edge.