The least yeah.... Winning a last title rather comfortably meant feck all I suppose. You wanna focus on SAF's mistakes in his last few years when they are completely overshadowed by all the great things he's done ?? I don't know what to say anymore
Evra to Juve?
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The least yeah.... Winning a last title rather comfortably meant feck all I suppose. You wanna focus on SAF's mistakes in his last few years when they are completely overshadowed by all the great things he's done ?? I don't know what to say anymore
This isn't too surprising given the way the Evra deal was announced. The papers got wind of it first when the PL published the list of released players, and Evra wasn't on it so it pointed to a renewal, then United feebly announced it. It had a weird feeling about it at the time tbh.
I'm sad he's going. He's probably the last true leader in that dressing room atm and I'd have loved to have him here for one more season. I think a well rested Evra would be far better than the overplayed Evra of the last couple of seasons.
If he does go (which looks extremely likely) we should use him as leverage in the Vidal deal.
I'm sad he's going. He's probably the last true leader in that dressing room atm and I'd have loved to have him here for one more season. I think a well rested Evra would be far better than the overplayed Evra of the last couple of seasons.
If he does go (which looks extremely likely) we should use him as leverage in the Vidal deal.
My aim is not to criticize SAF but merely to point the finger at the big elephant in the room (actually its a mammoth or a Brontosaurus).
You may not notice but the goalposts had changed alot in recent years and standards seem to be slipping at his later years. If the guy could close an eye (actually both eyes and ears) to the performances of our CM then he surely could do the same to Evra who was still, by far, much more efficient then all our CM combined.
These things happen to many great managers. Sir Matt Busby refused to believe that the Busby babes were too old and Lippi did the same with his WC Champions team (second stint).
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Not especially happy that we're letting Vidic, Rio and Evra leave all in one summer. It's hard to see where the leadership is going to come from.
Giggs gone off the playing staff too though he is still there as AM. That's some huge experience let go in one go.
Carrick is our most senior player now and he is hardly a leader either.
RVP to be captain i imagine. And LVG would want to mould the rest as he wishes.
You surely do know how to hide your real agenda behind a huge cloud, indirectly or not, you're criticizing SAF and tbh I'm fine with that. Criticism isn't a sin, you can do it but at least admit what you're doing.
edit: I just remembered a Deschamps interview that he asks his full backs (Evra and Debuchy) to participate in attacking as much as possible because it's their game.It sorts of hints that managers are the ones who adjust how much attacking and defending full backs should be depending on games.
I was never shy in criticizing SAF. What I am saying is that the aim of that particular post wasn't that of criticizing SAF but only to highlight that just because Evra was bombarding the flank more then he should have done, that doesn't mean that he was instructed by the manager to do so.
In my opinion, the good old SAF who would sledgehammer any weak spots in the team was long gone. If the man could tolerate the crap we had in CM then surely he could close an eye towards Evra when he occasionally strayed out of his path. Surely Evra was a much better performer then all our CM combined (apart from Carrick)
And just for the record, I think that SAF has a substantial say in United's recent downfall. He should have sorted the CM problem LONG AGO and his successor's choice was poor at best. A manager should be chosen because he's excellent in his role and a proven winner and not because he is 'an honest and hardworking lad who understand the culture and the quality this side has'. United needed a manager not a mate to share a pint at the pub.
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Gutted he's leaving. What a player he's been for us!
I dont want Evra to go, but as someone posted earlier, 70k pw to sit on the bench is a lot. If he is to go to Juve then i really hope its part of the Vidal negotiations which may or may not be taking place.
I wonder if they would like to take Young and Fellaini aswell.
If Evra does go i can see a squad man being signed to replace, such as Blind. It would be difficult to sign a decent specialist left back when knowing shaw will be first choice!!!
I wonder if they would like to take Young and Fellaini aswell.
If Evra does go i can see a squad man being signed to replace, such as Blind. It would be difficult to sign a decent specialist left back when knowing shaw will be first choice!!!
I have no idea why this matters to you
Becuase if our wage bill is to high then it effects our finances.
If our finances are effected then it effects our future transfer activity.
If our future transfer activity is effected then we have a lower probabilty of silverwear as we cannot sign the players to make us successful.
Think about it.
Selling Evra is stupid. He was the ideal stop gap needed to allow Shaw to settle down in a comfortable way. Maybe we can involve in a swap + money deal. De Ceglie would be a fantastic cover for Shaw.
I think it's a blessing in disguise. If we want Vidal how fortunate is it that Juve want someone from us?
You got guys like rooney RVP mata carrick, those guys are your leaders, despite how bad this squad has done, and with new signings to come, there is enough experience and leadership to get through games, adding the fact the new management itself is will help lead these players.
------------------De Gea---------------
Rafael-------DC----------Evans---------Shaw
------------DM----------Herrera------------
Januzaj-----------Rooney--------------Mata
------------------RVP---------------------
Rafael-------DC----------Evans---------Shaw
------------DM----------Herrera------------
Januzaj-----------Rooney--------------Mata
------------------RVP---------------------
It doesnt always work that way at all
I didn't say it always did.
Oh I agree, 2009 - 2013 - how he let that midfield decline to the state we see today is a farce, adding the fact he was not bringing through many young players who could improve the midfield
At the end of the 2012/13 season, our midfield options consist of carrick cleverly fletcher anderson giggs valencia nani young kagwa
That is a midfield time bomb waiting to happen.
And the fact many fans say, well this midfield helped us win the league title. Ok, that is true, but look at what has happened to brazil, the more you mask the problem, the bigger problem it becomes.
Now we have 2 problems, solving the defensive problems, shaw has been a start, but we are short of a RB and a CB, to add depth. Has for the midfield, herrera has been a great start, along with mata signing, and janazaj coming through. But we still need another CM and a top class wide player to go along with herrera mata and janazaj, and hopefully ship out the dead wood of fletcher cleverly anderson fellaini young and nani in the next couple of years. Has LVG tries to rebuild the midfield mess, Moyes and fergie left us with
LVG is our leader now. His balls are bigger than all three combined.
I very much doubt Juve will be held to ransom over Vidal and would simply just buy a different left back if it came to that.
If Vidal leaves its because Juve need the cash to fund other transfers.
Considering if we sell Evra we currently have NO stand in options at BOTH right back and left back (unless we continue with this farcical behaviour of playing Smalling/Jones at RB - which we can't do considering they are 2 of our 3 CBs), we should have kept Fabio.
Apparently Evra would be a sub at Juve as well (to Assamoah). So he's probably not pushing for a move himself, and 70k is really not a lot, even if he'd just be a squad player.
Makes no sense to sell really, unless it helps as getting Vidal.
Makes no sense to sell really, unless it helps as getting Vidal.
I think if we do not sign a RB, LVG will use valencia at RB. But that holy trinity of ferdinand vidic and evra is a huge void to fill, and it is a shame their last ever season for united was under the disaster leadership of David Moyes.
Do not forget Moyes wanted to ship out welbeck and RVP, especially when you look at how RVP and Moyes relationship completely broke down
thier still seems to be nothing anywhere near concrete on this? why is everyone acting like it defiantly happening? have i missed something?
Also we would need to replace him with a different full back, so he will be on a wage as well I assume
As has already been mentioned - only if they agree to sell us Vidal. Otherwise feck off Juve.
I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
I was not comfortable with valencia signing a new contract
I don't have an issue with that. He's an option, and as a squad option he isn't that bad. I think there's others I would ship out first, Young for example.
Anderson is also somehow still here.
hiding in the shadows. Seriously, i genuinely believe there must literally be no one who wants him. That is the sole reason he is still here, surely?
He's been hiding in the shadows for 7 years now. I'd actually consider just releasing him on a free at this stage.
I don't think we'll be able to offload him either.
When you release on a free, you still have to pay off the rest of their contract. Anderson could well just be saying "no, I need the cash for my McDonalds sprees."
I don't know, he was impressive when he was young but he has been dogshite in the last few years. Wouldn't want him at all. Blind would be a better choice IMO, mainly because he can play multiple positions and surely there will be the time when we would be short on defense, or even in midfield.
I agree that Blind looks a great option. LVG seems to rate him too, or he wouldn't be picking him for the Dutch. Have we been linked to him at all?
Seems to just be a matter of time before this is officially confirmed now. I do find the timing rather odd considering the experience we've lost already this year, and because it means we'd most likely have to buy another left-back for backup as I can't see any youth players making the step-up.
I can't blame if he wants to go, he's given us years of service and now he will most likely have to sit on bench which at this stage in his career he's entitled to not want to do. The new contract doesn't mean much as it seems it was us who activated the clause and renewed it automatically.
I can't blame if he wants to go, he's given us years of service and now he will most likely have to sit on bench which at this stage in his career he's entitled to not want to do. The new contract doesn't mean much as it seems it was us who activated the clause and renewed it automatically.
Gutted that he seems to be leaving us. I will miss his character around the club. 
Sky Sports are now reporting that their sources are telling them Juve have made an approach to United for Evra. Personally, I think talks have been going on behind the scenes and they've agreed that if Juve want Evra, they will have to give us Vidal. No way would United sell Evra to Juve without even a mention of Vidal.
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