Evra the player won't be missed one bit, he's on a rapid decline and his positioning has been shocking for 2 years. It'll be a shame that he's not around the club though as he's a great character.
Evra to Juve?
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he hasn't gone yet.....I thought we were getting Paddy for one more season.
Devastated.
Another leader leaves the dressing room. Guess it's a good thing we've the leadership of Van Gaal to compensate. The Vermaelen rumours are starting to make sense. He can play CB and be an emergency left back, but won't moan if we 'rotate' to deal with his injuries.
Erm, the window isn't closed yet mate. And you're right about Verm, I don't rate him either. But you're letting nostalgia cloud your judgement re: Evra. He's way, way past it. He's been so bad at times in recent times and has cost us goals.
He would be good to have around the dressing room and for the odd cup game against a 'lesser' side, sure. But let's wait and see how all of this pans out before we start predicting the end of the world.
We now have no back up right back or back up left back. I'm a little peeved, I hope we have a solution to this problem lined up.
As for Evra, I'm really not bothered. He can't defend anymore, is only going to decline further. The fact that the only qualities we hear about him now is that he's very old (sorry - "experienced") and he's good for dressing room banter suggests it's time to move on. He's not a leader of our defence, he's lazy and complacent and jogs back when caught up field. That's not someone I want our defenders learning from. I don't think making the lads laugh in training is really doing much for our results on the pitch either to be honest, I mean the combined experience of Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra got us 7th last season... God forbid where we could've finished without all that vital experience, relegation spots?
It is a strange one with him just having signed an extension. It's worth noting that the first report of the one year extension clause was in the Times which suggested it was Evra's decision as to whether he signed. It was later reported by the same journo that he'd been convinced to stay and sign the extension. Whether it's completely the other way round and the club made the decision or he's changed his mind, it's a very strange scenario.
As for Evra, I'm really not bothered. He can't defend anymore, is only going to decline further. The fact that the only qualities we hear about him now is that he's very old (sorry - "experienced") and he's good for dressing room banter suggests it's time to move on. He's not a leader of our defence, he's lazy and complacent and jogs back when caught up field. That's not someone I want our defenders learning from. I don't think making the lads laugh in training is really doing much for our results on the pitch either to be honest, I mean the combined experience of Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra got us 7th last season... God forbid where we could've finished without all that vital experience, relegation spots?
It is a strange one with him just having signed an extension. It's worth noting that the first report of the one year extension clause was in the Times which suggested it was Evra's decision as to whether he signed. It was later reported by the same journo that he'd been convinced to stay and sign the extension. Whether it's completely the other way round and the club made the decision or he's changed his mind, it's a very strange scenario.
Or the fact that we only have Asamoah and need an alternative, especially as Asa is going to participate in the ACON early next year
I'm not bothered really as he's not at a level good enough anymore and I knew he'd be too proud to be backup to Shaw, bloody knew it. Vermaelen is even worse at LB. We need a CB with massive experience to come in, our defence is threadbare.
Seeing all these posts trashing Evra makes me feel like I watched a different player last season, he's past his best yes but he is still a good player and far better than that crock from Arsenal to be back-up to Shaw.
Rodriguez would be a stupid buy, he's young like Shaw and is not really better or worse than him and would expect to start.
Really hope Evra stays on.
Tend to agree. We are seriously lacking a leader on the park.
He's shown as recently as this World Cup that - if he's required to mainly concentrate on one thing (defending) he's more than capable of operating at a high level. For France, he defended first, then as France either got into the game, or simply overwhelmed poorer opposition, he can get forward and at the right moments (and there are still few left-backs around that are as good at being an attacking threat than Evra - his link-up play is still great).
He'll be great for Juventus... in a slower league, with more protection around him from midfield? Yep, not a problem... we could still use him however, he's easily better than someone like Vermealen at left-back
An incredibly stupid move unless we plan on signing 2 more defenders, one of whom can play in both fullback positions.
We'd be stuck with 5 first team defenders, 4 of whom get injured a lot, and only 1 can play well on the left side. It's a recipe for disaster, really.
We'd be stuck with 5 first team defenders, 4 of whom get injured a lot, and only 1 can play well on the left side. It's a recipe for disaster, really.
He'll be missed quite a lot when it turns out Luke Shaw is an 18 year old who is naive and can't play every game, and we end up with Chris Smalling filling in for both fullback positions at the same time, whilst also playing centreback.
If Evra wants to leave then we should allow him to do so. He has given a lot for us, so it would be cnutish to stay on his way. I would have liked him to continue for an another year, but he looks to want first team football. So good luck to him and he has been a true legend for us and will be remembered as an all time United great.
Now time for a backup for Shaw. We have been linked with Rodriguez but that move doesn't make sense considering that he is expensive. If we sign him, he wouldn't be backup at all considering that currently he is easily better than Shaw and has a similar potential. I don't think that either of them would be happy to be backup and would soon want to leave. Blind can be a good option, he is solid and cheapish. His versatility would allow him to play quite a few games on positions like LB, CB (when we get all our CB injured) and as a defensive midfielder. Vermaelen could be an another option to cover both CB and LB, but I think it would be too risky considering that he is injuring prone and anyway we need 4 CB.
Now time for a backup for Shaw. We have been linked with Rodriguez but that move doesn't make sense considering that he is expensive. If we sign him, he wouldn't be backup at all considering that currently he is easily better than Shaw and has a similar potential. I don't think that either of them would be happy to be backup and would soon want to leave. Blind can be a good option, he is solid and cheapish. His versatility would allow him to play quite a few games on positions like LB, CB (when we get all our CB injured) and as a defensive midfielder. Vermaelen could be an another option to cover both CB and LB, but I think it would be too risky considering that he is injuring prone and anyway we need 4 CB.
Shaw played 38 games last season, so he can play a lot of games. Van Gaal also isn't exactly heavy on rotation. Still, I guess that we'll sign someone to cover that position and most likely someone versatile who will play on more than one position.
I think it would be a mistake for us to sell him, if he wants to go that's a bit different. But our back four would have lost a lot of leadership/experience and I think people are overestimated how quick Shaw will settle. Even if he settles well at his age it's very likely he'll have mistakes in him. Evra would be a great mentor for him and when/if we get back in the CL although by that age Evra is unlikely to be a regular he'd certainly have the energy to play at the right time which could be very important.
Vidal-ON!
I'd rather us do that than still have Buttner as backup. That guy automatically weakened whatever starting 11 we put out.
Yeah, he was very bad. An another possibility (if Varela plays well) is to play Rafael on the left side for a few matches and Varela as a RB.
I don't think that there will be that much pressure to win the title next season, so maybe a good time to go all in with kids.
Shaw played 38 games for Southampton, and was probably at top 4 standard in about 6 of them, from what I saw.
He's 17/18.
Cristiano Ronaldo wasn't good enough to play every game for a team like United at that age. In fact, I can't think of a single player who would have been.
people are talking like he has already gone..... am i missing something?
He's almost 19 (his birthday is on August) and has been a regular in EPL for two seasons. Last season he was comfortably better than Evra and was the second best left back on the league (after Azpilicueta). I think that there won't be any problem for him to play the majority of matches.
We must surely be getting Vidal in return for this
personally i'd say you where been a bit harsh their, i would also say i don't think evra put in many performances worthy of a top four team last season.
i also think the worse thing we could possibly do is bring shaw in and not play him regualry, to many young players go to big teams, fail to get regular football in their first season which knocks their confidence so much their career never recovers even to the level they where playing at previously.
vidal for evra???
I still don't understand why that idiot Moyes sold Fabio.
Did I not say he's on the decline. Of course I did, I am not stupid or blind. I do think he's better than most. I'd rather keep what little defensive experience we have left than let it go. At least for one more season. Its stupid to assume at 34 one is going to play 40 games a season, even at 30 it was beginning to push him. He's not Zanetti.
This is insane. Our defense is too young,inexperienced and inconsistent to let Evra go.
Yup. Cover for RB too.
Indeed. It's worrying that our leaders have all but vanished. But I can understand why Pat might want to leave, so much change recently. I'm gutted. I was looking at the official squad photo of last season when Dave took over.
Rio, Evra, Vidic, Fabio, Buttner all gone. A few more to follow as well. Massive changes at United. This really is a new era at the club.
You think Evra is "better than most" yet claim you are not stupid or blind. I think I'll end this discussion with you now
Most of our moves this summer have been the right ones but this would be wrong in my opinion.
Our defence would be stripped of any real experience bad Evans who isn't all that experienced.
We would do to shaw what we did to Evra, in that we now literally have no one covering LB or RB.
Evra could be a big influence over shaw in one year too.
Evra is clearly highly respected in our dressing room, it would be foolish to dismiss this impact.
Evra the player is a club legend. It would be sad if he didn't get a true send off like the others did.
Overall he is not a brilliant player anymore. Any other summer with adequate cover i wouldn't mind him going. But losing our entire defence that has been so solid for us for the best part of a decade in one summer would be detrimental
Our defence would be stripped of any real experience bad Evans who isn't all that experienced.
We would do to shaw what we did to Evra, in that we now literally have no one covering LB or RB.
Evra could be a big influence over shaw in one year too.
Evra is clearly highly respected in our dressing room, it would be foolish to dismiss this impact.
Evra the player is a club legend. It would be sad if he didn't get a true send off like the others did.
Overall he is not a brilliant player anymore. Any other summer with adequate cover i wouldn't mind him going. But losing our entire defence that has been so solid for us for the best part of a decade in one summer would be detrimental
Course he is.You think Evra is "better than most" yet claim you are not stupid or blind. I think I'll end this discussion with you now
Could be a good sign regarding the Vidal transfer. By all accounts, if Juve sell Vidal I reckon they'd look at asamoah to be the replacement. He's got a lot of potential and they paid big bucks to get him in as a midfielder. While he's done a good job at left back its still clear that defensively he still isn't the best.
Evra's been poor for some time and while he's a club legend and all, we need to move on. We've already signed shaw and don't need a legend on the bench applying unnecessary pressure on him. We should give the young lad time to settle in instead of quickly reverting to a reliable quick solution at all times.
Evra's been poor for some time and while he's a club legend and all, we need to move on. We've already signed shaw and don't need a legend on the bench applying unnecessary pressure on him. We should give the young lad time to settle in instead of quickly reverting to a reliable quick solution at all times.
If he goes for £4m combined with Buttner's fee that should give us £8m for a self-costed replacement
The purge of the odd numbers continues. So long Pat, you magnificent bastard.
Because he isn't good enough for United. The fact that he struggled to nail down a place at both QPR and Cardiff says a lot IMO.
I don't like this at all
Thought he was one of our better players last season
To lose Vidic, Evra, rio and Giggs in one summer is fecking nuts IMO
Thought he was one of our better players last season
To lose Vidic, Evra, rio and Giggs in one summer is fecking nuts IMO
Not really, since both of those sides were/are clusterfeck sides and all over the place, anyone would have struggle in their sides. He is a better LB than Buttner and Vermaelen any day. Would have been ideal for cover for us right now.
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